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26th
Jan 2018
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 04:14
Started on the land raiders tonight...
...maybe should have finished something else first.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 04:16
lol
LR isn't too bad
clip, trim, build the central body shell, do the door cam, put in middle doors, put on outer track with top plate in place for spacing
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 04:17
It’s two land raodrs for
Two land raiders for saturday
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 04:17
the magnets are pretty much entirely post-assembly of the main body
I just leave the top off for interior spray/paint
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 04:19
I’m doing sub assemblies first, then going to prime tonight so I can paint and magnets tomorrow
Let’s see if the app is any better than the mobile site...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 04:21
advice: magnets before priming
otherwise they pull themselves off the paint
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 04:21
That’s about how I tend to put them together- I have three for my GK to use in all the variations (including the FW one) but that just seemed weird for the custodes :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 04:22
the custodes ones aren't worth
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 04:22
I put the magnets in weirder places in the body than most, and I tend to put some metal under the top to help with some
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 04:22
400 points and not even an invuln anymore
just the 6+++
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 04:23
We do a semi-fluff-role-play thing for some people that are new, it’s playing in to that
They’re also going to be for our 40K MOBA (this is what happens when people that make games play games...)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 04:24
lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 05:46
more stuff I can fill in thanks to a friendly dakka visitor who sent me some page photos
looks like this should be cake to get ready for final info and push on release
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 06:16
custodes biker captains are going to be disgusting even in imperial soup
you can use a relic and WLT to make one T6/W7/2+/3++/5+++
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 06:17
Bikers are going to be interesting to be sure, I’m looking forward to a squad or two
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 06:17
with perma reroll charges....
tbh
just take a supreme command of biker captains
it costs a bit more, but is significantly more effective because of character protections
1 squad of vertus kicks out 12 attacks, 270pts
3 captains kick out 15 for 480, but you can shield them from any reprisal because of character fuckery, and they can take relics
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 06:21
The biker squads are 270?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 06:21
not to mention have 21 total wounds to the praetors 12
yeah, for a squad of three with hurricanes
they're 80 + 10 for a hurricane, the lances are 0
salvo launchers are 25, so unit with full salvos is 315
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 06:23
Gotcha
its coming together
feels good to make a solid contribution instead of just shitposting :P
Warlord trait selection all in
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 06:26
Nice
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 06:27
I'm borrowing old man heresy's implementation for the extra relics from square one because they're so critical for custodes
the praetorian plate is going to abused to high heaven
I can already see it
along with vexilla tele homer for a one-two punch
this is what pure gorgonzola looks like in relic form
"I'm gonna charge your warlor- ohfuk"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 06:32
it gets even worse
take a biker captain, give the vexilla guy the praetorian plate
then use this:
note the timing
out of sequence charge > summon your buddy > assuming vexilla survives, spend 3 CP to summon some allarus terminators within 6″ of vexilla (who’s techincally been on the board all of your turn) and more than 3″ from the enemy
goes from one biker captain to a biker capt an 4+ allarus terminators in your face/melee
without passing an enemy shooting phase
tekton
@tekton
Jan 26 2018 06:40
That does seem fine, guess I will take some guard to give CP...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 06:44
I'm pretty sure it's not intended, since it allows you to effectively get a wrecking ball into an opponent's face risk-free
imperium soup status in a week:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 07:04
@/all so I was tinkering with Thairne's implementation of the relic strat for mechanicus. it's elegant, and easy to implement with minimal added lines. BUT it needs this: http://puu.sh/z9V9d/41aa6d6f41.png
so that you don't get a free relic per force
the warlord link is the GST entry, so validates across all forces
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 07:12
since the warlord is what dictates the 'free' relic
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 07:17

Well just the right time to pop in and see this, thanks for the praise :)

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyGDo1ARpjI

WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 07:18
@Thairne I was playing with it because custodes are relic cheese power and it's going to be the focus of a lot of strategies/lists
though the only poke I have is that admech don't validate against the GST warlord entry that I can see
or have the BRB/CA traits
there you go, since I know you don't like others tinkering with your cats too much ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 07:28
though I think those things were implemented after the codex, so it's hardly surprising really
probably need to be done in all the other pre-CA cats
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 07:58
yeah, that's a bit of a rework to make it perfecter :P I'd have some work left with DA if I remember right to get it up to CA snuff too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:01
the nice thing is that I made the GST SSEGs drop-in to whatever the cat WLT list is
no other messing needed
just make sure "all child selections" is checked on the highlighted
but not "all child forces"
otherwise things get.... wierd. in soup child detachments
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:03
fuckcadia.jpg
soup is terrible, but not that terrible :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:04
Banana Pudding is going to make people rage probably
custodes are costed to hell, but at least you get what you pay for with them
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:04
which seems about right to fit the fluff
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:04
I'm still unsure how well they'll work alone, but with even a basic set of allies and a good plan they might be pretty obscene
see the "I'm going to allarus bomb you" sequence a little bit ago
the scariest part is that before you charge the terminators in you can unload them on a character within 12" for another CP
which could be pretty nasty if someone was trying to screen a char
like say typhus behind poxwalkers
just.... 'poof' no more typhus
since the GLs are Assault D3 str 4 -3 D1
punches right through power armor
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:07
looks expensive though. Finding a target worth that investment seems tricky
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:07
the bomb?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:07
aye
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:08
530
for all three parts
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:08
and, what, 6 CP?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:08
yep
and 1 relic
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:08
6CP is the expensive part :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:09
but now you have ~18 wounds of T5/2+/4++ in your opponent's face unmolested, dumping a nasty set of attacks in with castellan axes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:10
you get what you pay for indeed. Which is a lot/a lot
it's a pretty big cannon that requires a pretty big target
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:10
and another 7 wounds of T6/2+/3++/5+++ with 5 S6 attacks
the icing on the cake is after you drop the bomb, you can break up that group of allarus terminators into individual units
and spread out every which way
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:12
should give a good amount of headache to gunlines
and now we're at 8 CP
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:12
so now instead of shooting one unit of terminators, you now have to shoot ~6 units individually without overkilling too much
yeah
I think GW's idea was that they'd be starved for CP
but whatr you get is so worth it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:14
get guard allies and spam detachments...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:15
that I think we'll be seeing a lot of custodes/IG mix and just using the IG to fuel the custodes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:15
xactly
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:15
guard already have more CP than they know what to do with
custodes have all the tricks but never enough
scariest version: IG warlord. take grand strategist/kurov's and hide in a corner/bunker/transport
generate all the CP refunds forever
you lose out on the 5+ FnP for a custodes character, but worth it probably
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 26 2018 08:23
with the generated CP just reroll the save...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:23
I'm already planning on the 3 captain bike unit
Gonna run it with a full brigade of Guard for a tasty 13CP to start with
It'll probably be stupid and won't win any GTs but it'll be entertaining for a bit
I ordered the bike kit at the ol' FLGS this evening
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:30
tbh the allarus bomb might be tourney grade cheese
because it handles dark reapers just fine
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:31
What's the allarus bomb?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:31
you may lose two terminators tops if you eat a full 10 squad forewarned
out of sequence charge (stooping dive strat) > summon your buddy (praetorian plate) > assuming vexilla survives, spend 3 CP to summon some allarus terminators within 6″ of vexilla (who’s techincally been on the board all of your turn) and more than 3″ from the enemy
shoot terminators, charge
if you set it up to where they've consolidated into stuff and didn't get shot up too badly, spend 2 CP to break the unit up into 6 individual dudes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:33
What's the "spend 3CP to summon some allarus" bit? A strat, I assume?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:33
yeah, vexilla TP homer
best part is none of this stuff hits the table until after your opponent has shot
except the single bike capt
and he can be screened easily because he's a character and hellishly durable
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:35
Oh dear lord
Give the praetorian beacon the Celestine
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:36
yeeeep
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:36
I've already dubbed the Supreme Command detachment that will contain my 3 bike captains "The Banana Hammock"
But the Praetorian Plate only summons one dude
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:37
your vexilla friend
who is the beacon for the guys arriving in your movement
because he has been on the table from the start of your turn :^)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:42
....
Man that turns into a mess pretty quickly
CAN YOU SMELL WHAT'S COOKIN?!
SMELLS LIKE CHEESE
could just as easily be celestine+imagifiers or someshit
but the assassins seemed like the "fun choice"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:45
I think the 3 bike-captains and a vexilla dude to boost invul saves will be entertaining
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:46
....how did I fit basilisks in here
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:47
Easily
Basis are cheap
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:47
this is so wrong
celestine, 3 priests
allarus bomb
with jetbike captain because why not
2 vexilla, one for bomb one for buff
and an entire guard brigade
in 2k points
and the bomb vexilla is the +1 attack one
and two basilisks because no fun allowed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:49
Don't forget a Cyclops
One Cyclops killed a Khorne daemon prince and horror-chariot-thingy (forget the name) in my game earlier tonight
It was so very satisfying
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:51
yeah, you can use one in place of the mortar HWS
1999 points
this is disgusting
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:51
Post a pic of the list?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:52
sec, tweaking a couple things
tbh
instead of the defensor vexilla for the invuln
go for the fulmenaris relic
true and full morale immunity
and you can use it to shoot lightningbolts at people, or hit them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:58
:heart:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 08:58
that plus a wave of priest-buffed bodies marching across the table
never has a crusade force looked so cheese
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:59
As I just told a friend of mine
"Gentlemen, start your gold-plated cheese graters."
Okay I've got to get some sleep :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 08:59
I'm really loving the possibilities with the Custodes
I think they'll be fun
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 09:00
for those playing them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 09:00
I'll share my thoughts from playing against new Daemons later today after my nap. lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 09:00
you mean nurgle and friends?
I soured a bit on daemons because I don't want to touch nurgle but you're basically forced to
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jan 26 2018 11:05
@WindstormSCR whats that about femstodes? i hope thats true cos i mentioned it to a big bannana fan and they went mental XD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 11:39
Yay. Necrons
And a plastic cryptek. And a new knight!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 26 2018 11:42
it's only a baby knight.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 26 2018 11:50
Please, please name the release with him like that! "Baby Knight joined us today" or "Baby Knight wants to play" or sth else more creative xD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 11:58
It is a fierce baby knight
I shall have 3
A squire for each of my proper knights
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 26 2018 12:40
You forgot to mention the Drukhari
Which means, time to get the triumvirate of Yynnead ASAP because the value is terrific in comparison to buying the three models separately...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 12:55
@CloverFox i didn't just order a set of heads for nothing
how did he melt down out of morbid curiosity?
or she
zopha
@zopha
Jan 26 2018 13:17
A puppy knight? :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 13:46
that cryptek looks pretty damned cool
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 15:11
Is the new knight a "Knigget"? (thank you Monty Python)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 26 2018 15:15
Oooh that's good, that's very good xD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 15:15
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 15:16
K-nigget, not just knigget lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 15:17
I suppose technically it could be keeniggets!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 15:17
even better, yes lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 26 2018 15:20
Ni!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 15:36
So I’m slightly annoyed
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 15:37
Well, I like him and I shal keep him and call him Squishy the k-nigget
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 26 2018 15:37
@alphalas, pourquoi?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 15:38
The easy-build reivers all have Heavy bolt pistols
The reiver squad all have carbines with the sgt able to have HBP
So the easy-build box is basically useless unless you use the 3 man squad rules from said box
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 15:41
do they have combat knives in the box ?
cause according to the Codex : Each model is armed with a bolt
carbine, a heavy bolt pistol, frag grenades, krak grenades and shock grenades.
and can lose the carbine for a knife
keeping the HBP
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 15:43
...
i missed that tab
yes they have knives
Ok less annoyed now
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 15:44
do they get the Grapple gun too ? in that box
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 15:44
no
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 15:44
booooo
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 15:44
it’s just 3 dudes w/ hbp and knife
the grapnel is kinda useless unless you have lots of tall terrain
Grav-cutes are far more usefull imo
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 15:47
well wish me luck ... Necrons vs Guilliman this evening ... got an hour to finish work and get setup ready
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 15:56
Are you the crons?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 15:56
yarp... 2k of warrior / immortal blobs, some heavy destroyers, wraiths and a monolith to block LoS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 15:57
I am sadly disappointed by monoliths in 8th
so expensive for something with 0 defense.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 15:57
yup, but other fun stuff can hopefully hide behind it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 15:57
Might I suggest Nightbringer to lead the wraiths
C'tan mortal wounds would also help penetrate Guilliman's invuln
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 15:58
it's only 3 minimal wraiths to use up some last points .. I love my nightbringer but he dies so easy :(
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 15:58
Ahh gotcha
That they do, i've taken fondly to a 6 wraith unit blocking for him though
especially with the canoptek strategems
I used to think 2CP to use them was obscene ... it is not.
That shit is so strong
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 16:00
yeah, I do like me some RP on wraiths .. but need a big blob to make it worth the CP
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 16:00
Yea, 3, not so much
6 at the very least.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 16:01
Wraiths are probably the best thing the Crons have right now
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 16:01
for not dying ... I really miss Rend !
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 16:01
I wouldn't go that far
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 16:01
they can't kill jack
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 16:01
-1/1 damage isn't the best. but with canoptek strategems
they are an amazing meatshield for a c'tan
Personally doomsday arks take the cake for me so far
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 16:02
yeah, hadn't thought of that as ctan is a character
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 16:02
or max tesla immortals with an overlord.
2+ BS with 5+ explodes, yes pleae.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 16:02
They're good at killing Guardsmen in droves LOL
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 26 2018 16:03
Hell, anything. 2+ saves only mean so much against a buttload of tesla
and if they get bogged down, oh hey - re-deep strike relic.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jan 26 2018 16:03
just got knocked off for the day so switching PC's ... from work in the kitchen to leisure in the office (crafting room) .. check me out !
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 16:03
Oddly enough, what they really don't like is Cyclops going boom by them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 16:38
nothing likes cyclopses going boom by them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 16:38
Khorne daemon princes and horror chariots sure don't as my opponent found out last night LOLOLOLOL
Let's Start the Shooting Phase.jpg
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 16:47
The new Lords of Change are a real nightmare to bring down tho
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 16:48
oh really? i didnt think they'd changed much
outside of relics
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 16:48
Oh, also
A Khorne daemon prince can take the Skulltaker relic axe thingy
And that pretty much makes him a super beast
For super-cheap
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 26 2018 16:53
Tzaangors are gonna be rough
:-1:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 16:57
+1 to hit from the shaman aura, and +1 from prescience. 4+ to auto-wound here we come
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 20:17
is it mortal wound or auto-wound?
because that's a big difference
auto-wound means all that bonus to wound doesn't really help
mortals would
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 20:47
@GenWilhelm what's with the addition of the warlord categorty in GST when we were already using an SSE for that in GST?:
since to be selectable for trait listing and relic validation it has to be a selectable option
(also makes it stupid easy to validate across all forces with a 1 in roster constraint)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:01
example of why the SSE is preferable in the modified relic implementation of #2318
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:17
how does that implementation prevent me from getting a free relic per faction?
if theyre all checking for the same entry, then all relic constraints will increment regardless of which faction the warlord is from
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:20
no
the relic validation is done in force, so it looks for instance of the SSE in the force
the warlord SSE has a validation in the GST entry of max 1 per roster
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:20
and what if i want to give a relic to a character in a different detachment to the warlord?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:20
so it'll throw an error if its selected anywhere more than once, and the force the relic is in will pick up
then there is the no-force-org stratagem entry
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:22
that costs a CP when the first relic should be free
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:22
how it works is you create that 'relic' entry I posted in #2318 in each cat, and attach it to the SSE for each relic
the warlord determines which faction gets the free relic
so if you select something from that force as a warlord, you correctly set relics to 'max 1'
wording for emphasis: "If your army is led by an ASTRA MILITARUMWarlord, then before the battle you may give one of the following Heirlooms of Conquest to an ASTRA MILITARUM CHARACTER. Named characters such as Lord Castellan Creed already have one or more artefacts, and cannot be given any of the following relics" and each codex and CA has similar
if you want to you can check out the CustodesRel branch and see how I've implemented it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:24
okay, so my warlord is pask in a spearhead. how do i give my tempestor prime in a battalion a relic?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:25
not all cats are correctly validating against the warlord SSE in the GST, since we only made that change in CA
that's the only case where it doesn't work, and if you can figure out a way for category to make it work without adding a snarl of logic to prevent a free relic in every force I'm all ears
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:26
thats exactly what ive done in tyranids and GSC
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:26
let me make a backup of the custodes file and take a look
is it in master or a branch?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:27
i merged it into master this morning
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:27
actually
interesting thought: just add warlord category to the GST SSE
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:29
ah yeah, good point. that'll allow it to validate correctly until all CATs have their own
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:29
you mind doing that for now since I'm still working on branch?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:30
sure
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:30
I think the best method is probably somewhere in the middle of the two approaches
doing as much as possible on GST
nids aren't correctly picking up the CA traits since you linked individually instead of using the GST SSEGs
so, my thoughts:
1) create in each cat, a warlord option, with the GST warlord SSE linked.
2) increment relics on the faction-specific warlord entry and for the stratgem options
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:36
that allows maximum compatibility with existing cats, and will require the least effort to 'modernize' existing implementations
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:36
that's exactly what I was trying to avoid with the category approach :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:37
problem is there's already most of the elves and several imperial cats all validating off the SSE, and the BRB/CA traits all validate off the SSE
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:39
you can change them to validate off the category, or we could scrap the validation and just link them inside the CAT's warlord traits SSEG
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:40
actually
I need more tea
they don't validate off the SSE
they're designed to be dropped into the faction SSEG
so we're good
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:41
ah, currently the BRB traits are hiding if you dont have the GST's warlord entry
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:41
let me look
working on branches is so much less of a headache
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:43
compared to a fork?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:43
I was just able to update and add your stuff to my working set
yeah
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:44
yeah, branching is wonderful, forking is way more finicky.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:44
@GenWilhelm since it drops into faction SSEGs I just dropped the BRB trait validation
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:45
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:45
but it won't push to master until custodes are released in a day or two
if you want to you could fix the trait SSEG on the CustodesRel branch
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:45
cool. i pushed a release earlier, before i merged, so we're not in a hurry
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:46
on other notes
vexilla relics are a pain in my ass
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 21:46
@GenWilhelm feel free to apply that fix to my cats
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:46
but I got them to validate without removing them from the relic listing
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:46
@alphalas lmao
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:47
@alphalas I'll do it I guess if gen doesn't want to
since I'm currently at a wall with custodes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:47
i dont mind. it's just just the way he said it tickled me
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:48
lets just make sure to work on the branch for now, at least until I can get a master push, since the GST is adjusted there and so is DW
unless there is no plan to release before custodes, then I'll just push right now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 21:49
He knows it’s because 1, I’m lazy, 2, he knows it better then I do, and 3, if he does it he doesn’t have to explain it to me 6 times :P
@WindstormSCR since custodes comes out tonight I think it’s fair to say no
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:49
there's never a plan to release, as far as i can tell
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 26 2018 21:50
There’s really not lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:50
and yes, @alphalas, this is reminding of the uncat bug from a while back
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:51
@GenWilhelm @alphalas if you could merge that PR
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 21:51
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:52
feel free to play around with the bananas and tell me if the logic is going funny anywhere
as far as I can tell it should all be right
just need to add the faction warlord selection instead of the regular
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 21:58
derp
forgot to uncheck hidden on WLTs
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 26 2018 22:07
oh i meant to ask, is there a reason you used rules instead of profiles for the warlord traits?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 22:08
habit more than anything, but no one seems to have complained
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 26 2018 22:46
need some help.
on an AoS issue.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 22:47
what's up?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 26 2018 22:47
I'm trying to validate based on points value in a category, but BS doesn't pass the points cost of a selection up to the unit.
i.e. the unit costs 0 pts, but each multiple of models is X
I add 3 copies and get 3X points, but because the unit doesn't inherit those points, the validation doesn't trigger
The unit has the category, not the models
and I can't give it to the models.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 22:51
which file am I looking at? I just cloned the AoS data set
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 26 2018 22:51
I'll commit it, just a sec
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 26 2018 22:51
we can duck over to the AoS room, I joined it