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27th
Jan 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 00:18
I pity @ilaunchbury if he attempts to sit through that like I did custodes
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 27 2018 00:19
Can't see the pages well enough to get any info :(
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 00:21
he reads it out, and is reliable there, but that means actually sitting through stuff
:(
it at least worked for me hammering out the new datasheets combined with the previews
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 27 2018 00:30
I'll see how I get on.
James
@skonk
Jan 27 2018 00:34
I'll probably have a hard copy of it on wednesday
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 00:35
@acebaur you got Custodes?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 27 2018 01:00
Let me check it's up
*if
it's up
downloading now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 01:17
fantastic
@CrusherJoe @alphalas I got to test the "allarus bomb" earlier today
vs highly comp alaitoc eldar dark reaper spam
was testing with proxy models since obviously not out yet
but holy god-emperor's balls was it nasty
demolished a DR spam/shining spear/ranger list
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 01:23
I'll finish out custodes fast as I can once @acebaur provides :D
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jan 27 2018 01:34
sent!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 01:36
@WindstormSCR am i going to feel bad playing them in an escalation campaign?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 01:36
nah, not unless you abuse an out of sequence event chain
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 01:37
cool
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 01:37
don't go overboard on shields on regular dudes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 01:37
My FLGS is starting a canpaign hence the question.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 01:37
1 shield for 2 spears, or 3 if you're doinf larger units
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 01:37
last one the harlequin player was that guy
don’t want to be him lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 01:37
more than that makes them too durable
you might be on the higher end of the power spectrum until you hit 1250+ points
assuming you keep them 'pure' custodes, then you'll fall off as you have totake big chunks to get lascannons/etc
That’s my host as they stand
for when you really gotta fuck shit up
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 03:00
interesting
CG, wardens, allarus, vertus all increment power based on individual model
with the starting number usually having a discount
ex CG are 3 PL each, but 8 PL for minimum
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 03:21
So you set the squad entry at -pl, and set each dude at the PL they are
You’re not doing collective for custodes anyway
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 03:29
pretty much
though I instead used a modifier to decrement by 2, because then the roster builder shows the correct base PL :D
@alphalas #2342
hit a snarl with certain relics that I still need to work on, but it's good to :shipit: for now unless you find anything major
I'm sure @ilaunchbury will find all the typos later
just needs a merge then anything else in other cats added before release
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 03:46
so the next time someone with the ability checks here they can merge+release
or merge and give it a onceover :shrug:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 03:54
the hell?
CG weren't popping that SS bug until master merge
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 03:55
Well it’s released so fix it quickly lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 03:57
@alphalas there you go
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 03:58
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 04:03
custodes landraiders are so garbage now
paying effectively 44 points for +1 BS and a 6+++
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 04:24
interesting thing
the allarus vexilla guy doesn't get a weapon besides the grenade launcher
the regular guy gets a full axe/spear/shield
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 04:29
nice
Hmm my 10CATB list didn’t really change too much
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe has been reading the Custodes book.
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe thinks.
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe plans.
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe plots.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 27 2018 04:55
Mwahahahaaaa
There's so much goodness in this book it's taking a while to set in
I ordered the Dawneagle bike kit yesterday. Looks like I might need more Banana Boys...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 04:58
I guess I'll be proxying my vexilla guy with solarite gauntlet as an axe :D
means the one I build out of the warden kit will need a spear
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 27 2018 05:02
So did you use the Allarus Bomb to murder Dark Reapers or what?
I'm curious how you used it to destroy them
Because I'm trying to see how the Summon Allarus Strat gets around Forewarned
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 05:10

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) ++

  • Fast Attack +

Seraphim Squad
3x Seraphim
Seraphim Superior: Plasma pistol, Power sword
Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Inferno Pistols

Seraphim Squad
3x Seraphim
Seraphim Superior: Plasma pistol, Power sword
Seraphim w/ Special Weapons: 2x Inferno Pistols

  • HQ +

Celestine: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia

Inquisitor Greyfax: Mental Fortitude

Shield-Captain: Misericordia, Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield, The Emperor's Light, Warlord

  • Troops +

Battle Sister Squad: 4x Battle Sister
Sister Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Custodian Guard Squad
Custodian: Guardian Spear
Custodian: Guardian Spear
Custodian: Guardian Spear

Custodian Guard Squad
Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield
Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield
Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield

  • Dedicated Transport +

Null-Maiden Rhino: Storm Bolter

Sororitas Repressor: Heavy flamer, Heavy flamer, Storm bolter

Sororitas Repressor: Heavy flamer, Heavy flamer, Storm bolter

  • Heavy Support +

Retributor Squad
Retributor Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Chainsword
Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer
Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer
Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer
Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer

Retributor Squad
Retributor Superior: Bolt pistol, Boltgun, Chainsword
Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer
Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer
Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer
Retributor w/ Heavy Weapon: Heavy flamer

  • Elites +

Prosecutors: 4x Sister of Silence, Sister Superior

Vexillus Praetor: Misericordia, Misericordia, Vexilla Defensor

Vexillus Praetor: Misericordia, Misericordia, Vexilla Magnifica

Vexillus Praetor: Misericordia, Misericordia, Vexilla Imperius

Just for funsies 2k
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 27 2018 05:10
Yes yes
I'm still waiting on @WindstormSCR to detail how the Allarus Bomb circumvented Forewarning
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:11
@CrusherJoe why not go for a castellan axe on the warlord? can use a relic to get the 3++
it didn't
dark reapers just can't pump enough damage to murder enough allarus :D
since at max he's shooting you with 10, and you can put 3-5 of those down with basilisk fire
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe smiles most evilly
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:13
since it's on an arriving unit they can't be doomed, and they'll use the S8 missiles because S5 would wound on 4s
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 27 2018 05:13
True
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:13
so 10 shots, and the invulns stop those hard
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 27 2018 05:13
Also true
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:13
you'll lose 1, maybe 2
or even zero
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 27 2018 05:13
Just making sure I hadn't missed something
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:14
the best part
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 27 2018 05:14
I keep hoping for something that circumvents it completely
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:14
is that's probably what you're aiming for
so then you grenade the farseer out of existance
and charge
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 27 2018 05:14
Because nothing pleases me more that murdering Dark Reapers
And wiping that smug look off the Forewarning player's face
"Oh that's neat. Go ahead and fire your little missiles. Enjoy it, it's the last thing that unit will do this game."
How were you running the Allarus?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:17
axes
so much better than spears
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:23
reasoning: axes don't have a swing penalty, and hit at S8, making them effective on anything from landraiders on down
if the -2 is a problem, there is a strat for that
damage is otherwise equal
spears are only really useful for blending power armor, and that should be being done by not-allarus and not-wardens
so basic CG or other imperial troops
so it generally goes: axe if you can take it > spear > blade on a couple of tanking dudes
I'd be more inclined to consider sentinel guys if they weren't MORE expensive than spear or axe by a significant margin
(19 to spear's 12)
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 05:46
The cheese has begun https://imgur.com/gallery/4rqif
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:47
glad I'm not the only one planning to snip the plumes
oh good
wardens are 5 to a box
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 05:48
The Vexlus and Custodan arms are different pieces, so...magnets!
I haven’t decided on the plumes yet...we shall see once I prime and base coat in a little bit
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:49
magnets are good
do they give you enough pauldrons?
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 05:50
I’ve got a vs Chaos game tomorrow, hoping these axes work out :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:50
that was the big problem with the regular custodes box
not enough shoulderguards to magnetize
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 05:50
The pauldrons are the same for both variants
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:51
yeah, I'm just asking if the mounting is different enough to make it workable
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 05:51
So yes they do it looks like
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:51
could you take a pic?
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 05:51
For the arms or the pauldrons?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:51
the join and how the shoulders go on
yknow what, just take a pic of the instruction manual for me :P
mine don't come in till next week and I can look at the sprues online
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 05:53
Sec
About to do the shield captain too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:58
oh, nice
the pauldron mounts to the body
looks like the wardens have a spare set of shoulderpads in the kit
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 05:58
Yup above the stuff
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 05:58
so just regular custodes that are SOL
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 06:02
I really see no reason to take a spear on any of these guys...
I feel like we missed something ><
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 06:03
the only thing spears have going for them is -3 over -2
stratgem-wise the one that turns axes to -3 has to be against a single unit, while spears +1 to woundaffects all dudes but doesn't require them to hit the same target
but yeah, the only reason to use spears is because of regular custodian guard
2ppm is hardly a tax for hitting the S8 breakpoint
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 06:09
Yup
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 06:24
@alphalas RIP me, even 4 minutes was too slow, I wonder how many bug reports that stormshield fix will create :(
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 07:10
One of the easier kits I’ve done over the years- I’m normally super slow on these
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 07:11
I'm going to have to get one of the custodes contemptor-achillus to run as a kheres dread
even if the dread is meh, it looks too damn good
so that two-page spread in the codex
before the rules
is 3372pts worth
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 27 2018 08:36
@WindstormSCR, only found two typos so far. :)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 27 2018 08:46
Raised #2344 for you
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 12:31
I just want to see if my saggitars get ported over
Even though, even if they do I’m not sure what I’m going to do with them in my list
So @WindstormSCR @skonk go axe on everything but cg?
Next question is what do I need first, allarus or wardens? Lol
James
@skonk
Jan 27 2018 13:58
I think id go axes
axe benefits but no -1 or owt is there?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 14:57
@ilaunchbury the even better news is that those are all GW typos or existed in cat before i started
i just missed them
@alphalas I'd say allarus for native deepstrike and assault shooting
even moving and firing both weapons you double your fire rate
plus they benefit from the largest pool of stratagem options and can be magnetized for vexilla or not
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 15:50
I’m probably going to get a box of the wardens anyway – I make really good at Haeterrans
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 27 2018 16:00
Build them with axes as 'paragon weapons'
:sparkles:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 16:20
Mmmmhm
I was using Sang Guard axes as paragon blades
These are better lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jan 27 2018 16:29
Finally got around to changing my username, I am no longer @ilaunchbury.
or won't be once Gitter catches up
@Mad-Spy now.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 27 2018 16:37
Noice
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jan 27 2018 17:18
So what is this now about custodes be OP?
*being
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 27 2018 17:37
Don't ask... Unless you wanna join the fondue session of course!
James
@skonk
Jan 27 2018 22:47
arguing with GW about their shitty rules in a PM on twitch lol
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 23:06
Oh?
James
@skonk
Jan 27 2018 23:07
they were on about not understanding why someone didnt charge a bunch of stuff
and i pointed out that the rule for Fly units moving over terrain and models....
is listed ONLY in the section of the rules named "Movement Phase"
with nothing to say those rules apply outside of the phase
and the rules for doing charge moves dont say "like in the movement phase"
so some people will assume that you can only bypass models in the movement phase
the GW guy reckons you apply it anytime you physically move a model
i suggested that should make that clear in the rules
basically he was saying the fact that a rule is listed under a particular phase doesnt matter, you could use it in any phase
if the fly thing was just listed in a section called "movement" then clearly it would apply any time you move something, but its not, its in "Movement Phase"
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 23:15
That’s a dangerous precedent that’s not even followed with things like character targeting...
James
@skonk
Jan 27 2018 23:15
he pissed me off tbh
early in the convo he hit me with the "discuss it with your opponent and come to an agreement" - I suggested that it would be better if they wrote proper rules instead
James
@skonk
Jan 27 2018 23:23
It would be logical for Fly to work regardless of the phase though; so it's easy to just say commonsense dictates you should just do it but the 7th edition FAQ's to do with Jump units ignoring penalties when charging were clarified in a different direction to what most people would have assumed (i.e. they took all penalties) - so i wouldnt want to assume either way :)
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discussion log if interested
ill email em to faq it to be clearer
tekton
@tekton
Jan 27 2018 23:49
“Don’t assume players know what you know”- my old boss who had been a game designer for 30 years
James
@skonk
Jan 27 2018 23:49
by his logic, a rule that said 'add 3" to its move' could be applied to a pile in or consolidation move
as in, any rule that applied to movement could be applied in any phase whenever you move a model
but anyway :) rant over