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29th
Jan 2018
tekton
@tekton
Jan 29 2018 00:00
I wouldn’t mind if they just rolled grey knights back in to the inquisition like pre 5th ed (going all the way back to 2nd really)
Bit Custodes do FEEL like Grey Knights are supposed to on the table now that I have three games with them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 00:47
GK really should have never stopped being Inq
Same with deathwatch
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 29 2018 00:51
tbh a PROPERLY DONE imperial agents codex could be fantastic
but the deathwatch sheets would be about a page each
terminators being able to take the three different armors, weapon options, having access to all the dread variants
GKs not costing as much as a custodian for a far worse statline
James
@skonk
Jan 29 2018 00:59
U know with GK
the units of marines and terminators have psykers dont they?
can they can spells other than smite?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 01:00
smite and 1 santic
James
@skonk
Jan 29 2018 01:04
ah
thousand sons have had the smite thing addressed by letting the aspiring sorcs now pick spells
so its just Daemons who get screwed by the beta smite rule
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 01:04
pretty much
James
@skonk
Jan 29 2018 01:05
more so infact cos the units in question already only cast smite on 1 dice lol
well, tzeentch daemons specifically
tekton
@tekton
Jan 29 2018 01:56
We did beta rules last night- as long as you start with those demons for smite it doesn’t matter all that much :f
GK the smite stuff still hurts since the range is less and the damage is less...so doing it less often is less less which is more suck
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 29 2018 03:35
I've played several games with the beta rules and while they don't shut down Smite completely they do tone it down a bit. Honestly I think it's a good solution to Smite spam.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 03:59
So @all - since we’ve standardized psy powers and how we do extra relics, I think it’s time to discuss how to implement relics period; because right now there’s 2 styles in use.
Style 1 is the way SM and all @CrusherJoe and I’s cats are formatted; all relics in a SSEG, that every unit that can take relics links to.
No further logic involved
Style 2 is “addition” relics being in a linked SSEG, and “replacement” relics being broken out, having points costs, etc.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 29 2018 04:02
Hear, hear! Good job, @alphalas and @crusherjoe
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe coughs and shiftyeyes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 04:03
I think to give a consistent and evenly applied standardization, we should all use the simple single SSEG, no further logic approach.
@all, What say you?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 29 2018 04:59
I think logic to hide relics that would be invalid on thatr model is still appropriate, and easily done with "ancestor instance/not instance" logic in the SSEG
that's what custodes currently has, e.g. relic vexillas only show for vexilus praetors
(and only when they have the right type of vexilla that would be replaced)
but it's still in the SSEG and not elsewhere on the model
tekton
@tekton
Jan 29 2018 05:05
GK also “hides” invalid relics- but I need to fix the warlord check if we are going to also use the GST check
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 29 2018 05:09
one magnetized baal predator converted to a relic predator/razorback (side sponsons/doors are also magged)
lascannons were off a friend's repulsor kit, plasma out of the shop bitz box after the gun went unclaimed for 3 weeks, and an autocannon off an IG heavy sprue with a centurion omniscope for the sight
and finally the spare hellhammer cannon I had
which I think looks the piece for a magna-melta (or a counts-as vindicator)
might see if I have any other interesting bits to make a laser destroyer barrel part
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 29 2018 05:17
sadly I don't have the parts for a convincing C-beam cannon
tekton
@tekton
Jan 29 2018 05:45
Those all look pretty convincing to me at least
James
@skonk
Jan 29 2018 10:42
just ordered some plague toads and pox riders
almost £200 :(
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 29 2018 12:30
@/all We need to write down these standardizations in wiki
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 12:38
@amis92 agreed; that’s why I also brought up standardizing relics on here last night lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 29 2018 12:39
you need to but a / before all, btw. otherwise it tags the user "all"
and yeah, i'll update the wiki
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 12:41
So it is a backslash damnit lol
I was forwardslashing it
I’ll copy-pasta and correctly tag
@/all
amis92 @amis92 notices it's forward slash
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 12:45
Gorramit why can’t I paste into the iOS app for gitter?
H
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 29 2018 12:46

OP by alphalas

So @/all - since we’ve standardized psy powers and how we do extra relics, I think it’s time to discuss how to implement relics period; because right now there’s 2 styles in use.

  • Style 1 is the way SM and all @CrusherJoe and I’s cats are formatted; all relics in a SSEG, that every unit that can take relics links to.
    No further logic involved
  • Style 2 is “addition” relics being in a linked SSEG, and “replacement” relics being broken out, having points costs, etc.

I think to give a consistent and evenly applied standardization, we should all use the simple single SSEG, no further logic approach.

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 12:46
Thanks @amis92
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 29 2018 12:47
  1. Psychic Powers SHOULD be available for selection by psykers, but MUST NOT require a minimum number to be selected.
  2. Each faction SHOULD have a local "Warlord" entry available to characters, which MUST have the GST Warlord category.
  3. Warlord Traits SHOULD be available for selection by characters, but MUST NOT require a minimum number to be selected.
  4. Relics SHOULD be validated against the Warlord entry, as well as any stratagems that allow for extra relics.
how does that look?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 29 2018 12:48

Aside from switching places of 2 and 3 for nice layout, good ;)

Doesn't include Relic SSEG standardization draft from above, too.

tekton
@tekton
Jan 29 2018 13:06
Looks like a nice model
zopha
@zopha
Jan 29 2018 13:07
Yeah, very nice.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 13:08
Kinda disappointed it’s young eisenhorn not ironhoof
James
@skonk
Jan 29 2018 13:18
Scribe needs colours in the log
then you could put proper errors in red
and messages in green, for things like info about spell selection
so it looks like a friendly reminder that your dude could take 1 more spell, rather than it looking like a validation error
James
@skonk
Jan 29 2018 13:38
And the ability to specify what appears in the log would be good so you could write them out how you like
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jan 29 2018 19:40
Okay so I'm gonna express my opinion which I have thought over quite a bit on the whole psychic powers thing
Personally I prefer having the correct constraints set per psyker
I prefer it that way because that way I'll know my list is complete
Psychic powers chosen? check! Good, my list is complete.
However that is my personal preference
Also, it's great to know how many powers a psyker has -- one less damned thing to have to memorize/remember from the codex
And I just realized that what @skonk said is pretty close to what I mean/want/prefer
Looks like Reddit likes your release notes.
:p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 20:51
:+1: I approve
alphalas @alphalas shifty eyes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jan 29 2018 21:28
@alphalas or anyone else, if you could merge the PR and do a release to get the CG bugfixes out before I start getting duplicates, would be appreciated
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 29 2018 23:56
Are there any online retailers that do 25% off GW anymore?
If not, anyone got a 10 man box of reivers you’re willing to sell?