These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

12th
Feb 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 12 2018 01:06
Okay
So if you haven't watched Altered Carbon on the Netflix....you probably should.
It may be the best Sci-Fi on TV in the last few years
Though I will warn you: it has Game of Thrones levels of nudity (so if that's not your thing, you've been warned)
tekton
@tekton
Feb 12 2018 01:49
My wife is now intrigued
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 12 2018 06:17
It's a good adaptation. I read the books for the first time years ago. If you like it, read the books.
Market Forces is one of my favourite books.
tekton
@tekton
Feb 12 2018 06:26
Will add that to my list after my current Nagash sprint of books
Gah, Tau should be cheaper to buy right now :P
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:42
Hey Guys, Who can I ask if I have some trouble mining data from the files? Should I just fire them here,
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:43
@debreczi not sure what you're trying to do exactly?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 12 2018 09:44
tell us what you're trying to do and we'll see if we can help
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:46
I'm using the data to upgrade my wh40k shooting calculator. For this, I'd like to use the data in the xml. So I have a list of characters/units, but when I get to the weapons, I just cannot find them. Example: Primaris Ancient has a bolt pistol. That's okay. But where do I find the stats for it?
I've been looking for profileTypeName="Weapon"
but that does not contain all the weapons
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 12 2018 09:46
Some weapons are in the GST rather than the individual catalogues, where they are shared across multiple catalogues.
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:46
I tried looking up the "Guidlike" ids
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:47
no, because the editor uses link refrences
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:47
Oh
Cool
I haven't looked in other files.
Thanks a lot
:)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:48
this for personal or a website somewhere?
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:48
Personal
But it would be cool to publish it on GITHub once it is complete
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:49
if you're just doing single weapon comparisons I'd use input fields
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Feb 12 2018 09:49
generally space marine stuff is in the gst, other armies use their own datafiles
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:50
Thanks all
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:50
see if that link covers what you're trying to do. I was building something similar to what it sounds like you're doing in excel before I found that
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 12 2018 09:51
@CloverFox, it's not just Marines. I use GST weapons in Chaos, and most of the other Imperium armies use them as well.
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:52
@WindstormSCR : I have already made a console app where I can define two opponents and a range, and the app would calculate who would win. But back then I only had the printed codexes and I hated to type in all the data, then I found this repo and I'm determined to use it. :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:52
@debreczi be careful with the scraping of the BS cats, the editor likes to do some very 'special' things, which is why there is a project to structure the stuff in json instead
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:52
@WindstormSCR Oh, in JSON? Do you have a link?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:52
its conceptual right now
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:52
I hate XMLSerialization so much
Oh, okay
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:53
but needs help, so a good chance to contribute if you have the right skills
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Feb 12 2018 09:53
oh, i'm mixing my terminologies, the profiles (range, str ect) are in teh gst, then the entries (points ect) are in the datafiles =P
@debreczi one thing you could try is simply importing the weapon tables from epub as CSV
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:55
@CloverFox That is exactly what I'm going to do. On startup I read all the XML files I need, create my own data structure in memory, then I can work with MY model. :)
@WindstormSCR : I'll have a look at whram if I'll have some time on my hands. Unfortunately, I only have 10-15 minutes at a time to work on my stuff.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:56
also unit option logic isn't consistent, so who knows how you plan to fix the loadouts
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:57
@WindstormSCR : is there a model structure diagram somewhere?
That shows which node group connects to what?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Feb 12 2018 09:57
at wham there's an XSD
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:57
you can actually look at the backend yourself
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:57
Okay
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:58
just open up the battlescribe data editor (its part of the BS install) and just open one of the files
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 09:58
Thanks guys, I'm going to look at the GST now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:58
if you're used to programming I hear it produces nightmares
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Feb 12 2018 09:58
;D
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 09:58
Custodes are a small file, but the oddities involved in them lead to some fun things
so you could look in there at the silliness of the different logic and how that interacts with the file
ex: custodian guard selections vs vexilus praetors or allarus terminators
@debreczi the better method might actually be to take the battlescribe roster outputs (in say, html) and then parse those into a unit list
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 12 2018 10:01
and if you want to see a true nightmare take a look at the Daemon Prince of Chaos in the Daemons catalogue.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 10:01
that way you don't have to account for all the logic, and can just feed in an input that is static instead of mutable
if doing unit vs unit
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 10:02
Thanks, but I'd rather build my own lightweight editor.
I'd like to build my own rooster editor sometime
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 10:02
I'm actually genuinely curious about it, because that's only one step removed from army vs army simulation
well, fair warning then, make sure you don't provide the files as part of the editor if you do go that route on a website somewhere
the reason BS dodges the bullet is it works for multiple systems and the author of it does not provide directly/produce/maintain the information
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Feb 12 2018 10:04
@debreczi have you considered an opensource group effort? We might have similar targets
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 10:05
@amis92 I really do not have the resources to manage it.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 10:05
otherwise you end up like the guy a few months ago who had that nice visual roster builder that got C/D'd because he didn't cover his ass
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 12 2018 10:06
@WindstormSCR most of the reason that got shut down was they were using copyrighted images/icons/etc
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 10:06
@WindstormSCR You mean I should not publish it? I'm not really getting what you're saying
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 10:07
yeah, but GW legal has a history of shooting anything that so much as twitches towards thier IP. See: the old Armybuilder/AB40k community that got turbodunked, twice
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 10:07
I see
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 10:07
basically if you make a roster builder, make it downloadable and have the user load the source data
like how BS works
debreczi
@debreczi
Feb 12 2018 10:08
Yeah, I'm using the repo for the source files.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 12 2018 10:08
Armybuilder did not (at first) and that is why they got in trouble, admittedly during GW's more zealous years
the guy a couple months ago was just dumb, as @GenWilhelm elaborated on
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 12 2018 10:26
Using GW stock photos and linking directly to a Patreon from his builder
He was asking to be C&D’d
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 12 2018 11:33
if I have a Chaos Daemon warlord, should I be able to give the first relic to any DAEMON CHARACTER, even if they're not Chaos Daemon faction?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 12 2018 11:36
GW didn't specify otherwise, they only changed Strats in the FAQ, so yes.
IMHO, the intention is that you can only give relics to <FACTION> characters, but GW broke it by having Faction:"Daemon" and normal "Daemon"
If they'd just renamed the Daemon faction (as we've discussed before), it would have avoided all of this nonsense.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 12 2018 11:39
Yeah, I agree. I was mostly checking if it was worth emailing their faq guys about it.
custodes FAQ; nothing really of note in it tho
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 12 2018 19:14
I don't see that on the FAQ page yet? No TS FAQ?
James
@skonk
Feb 12 2018 19:14
I've not see anything about TS
Yeh its not updating when I view the FAQ page either but that was linked on BOLS
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 12 2018 19:18
The Vexillae choice question is potentially interesting for Psychic Powers though. Need to check the wording of when they get chosen.
If it is also "when added to your army" ...
James
@skonk
Feb 12 2018 19:19
i dont think its the same
when added to army seems pretty clearly when you build your list to me; I think (i'll check) Psychic stuff is before the game begins
I had another game with them today
little 1k pointer vs Ultras
smashed him
James
@skonk
Feb 12 2018 19:24
"Before the battle, generate the psychic powers
for PSYKERS that can use the blah blah"
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 12 2018 19:32
Fair enough then. Couldn't remember the exact wording.
James
@skonk
Feb 12 2018 19:34
most of these questions are for things I thought were pretty clear already but tbh.... official answers to even silly questions is helpful in preventing silly arguements
James
@skonk
Feb 12 2018 20:50
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only just noticed this
thats nuts
its outside of any phases so could use it multiple times and apparently last for the entire game? and thats per turn, not battle round... so the rerolls work in your own and your opponents turns
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 12 2018 21:06
It's only one of the 3 per turn though.
James
@skonk
Feb 12 2018 21:07
aye
but for 2 cp you potentially get 10 to 16 rerolls
while still being able to use command reroll in the same phase you use this
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 12 2018 21:08
Welcome to gw codex creep
James
@skonk
Feb 12 2018 21:09
got a 1k event in a couple of weeks with 3 HQ bikers in my list
tempted to use all 6 of my CP to give the 3 chars that lol
James
@skonk
Feb 12 2018 22:04
did a bit on a shield captain today
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weapon needs doing, not happy with the tassel thing so will prolly redo it
tekton
@tekton
Feb 12 2018 22:05
now i feel shamed for not finishing mine yet...also, good job, that looks amazing!
James
@skonk
Feb 12 2018 22:05
and some of the gem things have the white dot not where i want it so i'll prolly tweak that
ta :)