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16th
Feb 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 03:35
yet more designer commentary bugreps
James
@skonk
Feb 16 2018 11:13
Heh
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:13
Hey
Custodes vs Tau on Twitch
ACK DON'T AUTOPLAY YOU FOOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 2018 19:14
Are they doing a super-special preview of tau like they originally did for custodes?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:14
Dunno
Just started
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:14
I got a chance to try the achillus dread for a couple games this week
verdict: in the right circumstances when deepstruck it is about the right points. don't footslog it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:15
I can't imagine why else they'd have Fishmen for a game vs Custodes unless they just wanted to have the Custodes commit some kind a rape atrocity on camera
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 2018 19:16
Especially since I’m sure they wouldn’t do commander spam on stream intentionally
And commander spam is the only “viable” build right now
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:17
....though I'm not sure about how good a commander the "Ceri" is for the Banana Boys
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 2018 19:17
Shame I’m on the road getting kinders or I’d watch it
tekton
@tekton
Feb 16 2018 19:17
Those are the two armies I’ve been working on recently oddly enough...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:18
This comment was awesome:
PrimeAacharya999: Ashley ... if all else fails go into close combat against the custodes ... clog their armour and weapons with Tau blood and gore
hahahahhaaaaa
So true
"All xenos look the same when you're washing them out of your tank treads."
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 2018 19:18
My tau are semi-permanently shelved; between BA/IG/AC I just haven’t felt like doing anything with them
I was toying with a tidewall build to be something other then my mechtau... but meh?
Crisis are just zomgwtflol bad
Especially a FSE crisis spam army
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:21
tau at the moment are in "not even playing PL games can fix this overcostness" zone
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:22
They are patently awful right now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 2018 19:23
You can do FW spam in PL games but hammerheads are just kinda dumb expensive
Idk I’ve had tau since 3e - but if they don’t fix them with the codex I might actually divest myself of my 8k of them
That’s how sad they are right now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:25
that's what happened with me and sisters of battle
because they ripped the soul out of the army after the witch hunters codex
that codex had a LOT of flavor
the ones after? not much at all
James
@skonk
Feb 16 2018 19:26
Was watching the stream earlier but turned it off
too many rules mistakes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:26
Yeah like I said
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:26
so around mid 7e I got rid of all my metal nuns
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:27
Not reeeeeeaaaaaaally confident in either general
They're making a lot of stupid noises
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:27
I don't know what's worse
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:27
My eyes are rolling out of my head
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:27
that they're not being careful not to fuck up in front of the camera
or that people will watch and then say "but WHTV played it that way!!!!"
James
@skonk
Feb 16 2018 19:27
Turn 1, Ceri went first, deepstriked a unit of 6 bikes, shot them and then didn't charge "because I shot heavy weapons"
and no one said owt to her
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:28
>.>
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:28
I got to use this one earlier
I've been saving it
And today seems like The Day
you-are-so-fucking-stupid.gif
James
@skonk
Feb 16 2018 19:29
lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:29
You can really see where Chelsea emphasizes the word, too
It's glorious
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe smiles.
WindstormSCR @WindstormSCR has had a moment, realizing the possibilities of laurels of command and 10-man 4-weapon scion squads
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:31
Oh that's a good moment
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:32
my current plan: battalion of scions, 1 10-man 4-plasma, 2 5-man dual plas in a tallarn gryphonne chimera (trip HB)
drop the laurels t-prime in with the 10-man
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:33
Yeah running the Scions on a proper detachment really does make them better
Exploding 6s FTW
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:33
and unlike a command squad they might actually survive some return fire because of spare bodies to soak casualties
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:33
So I want opinions on this...thing...I'm considering
(as usual I blame @alphalas for this)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 16 2018 19:34
Ohh! Is it Elysians?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:35

+++ Elysian Drop Plane Alpha Strike (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [44 PL, 795pts] +++

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - FW Elysians) [44 PL, 795pts] ++

  • HQ [6 PL, 90pts] +

Elysian Company Commander with Krak and Plasma Pistol - Elysian Company Commander [3 PL, 45pts]: Krak grenade, Plasma pistol [5pts]

Elysian Company Commander with Krak and Plasma Pistol - Elysian Company Commander [3 PL, 45pts]: Krak grenade, Plasma pistol [5pts]

  • Elites [12 PL, 210pts] +

Elysian Plasma Command Squad - Elysian Command Squad [4 PL, 80pts]
Veteran w/ Special Weapon [20pts]: Krak grenade, Plasma gun [13pts]
Veteran w/ Special Weapon [20pts]: Krak grenade, Plasma gun [13pts]
Veteran w/ Special Weapon [20pts]: Krak grenade, Plasma gun [13pts]
Veteran w/ Special Weapon [20pts]: Krak grenade, Plasma gun [13pts]

Elysian Plasma Command Squad - Elysian Command Squad [4 PL, 80pts]
Veteran w/ Special Weapon [20pts]: Krak grenade, Plasma gun [13pts]
Veteran w/ Special Weapon [20pts]: Krak grenade, Plasma gun [13pts]
Veteran w/ Special Weapon [20pts]: Krak grenade, Plasma gun [13pts]
Veteran w/ Special Weapon [20pts]: Krak grenade, Plasma gun [13pts]

Officer of the Fleet [2 PL, 25pts]

Officer of the Fleet [2 PL, 25pts]

  • Flyer [26 PL, 495pts] +

Thunderbolt Heavy Fighter [15 PL, 335pts]: 4 Hellstrike Missiles [120pts], 2x Twin autocannon [50pts], Twin lascannon [40pts]

Vulture Gunship [11 PL, 160pts]
Vulture Gunship [11 PL, 160pts]: Heavy bolter [8pts], Twin Punisher Gatling Cannons [40pts]

WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:35
downside
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:35
Granted this is only a single detachment...but I think the possibilities for alpha strike entertainment are pretty good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:35
officer of the fleet can't help elysian fliers
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:36
Yes. He can.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:36
they replace Aeronautica Imperialis with elysian
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:36
Both he and the planes change to Elysians
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:36
does his rule though?
(just saying because I know you do tourney shit where this matters)
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe nods
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:36
I wouldn't consider it if it didn't
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:37
well, if that's the case, fun times
you dropping the officers or backlining them?
if dropping you'll need 2 more options to anchor for the 50% rule
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:38
officer.PNG
"in all instances" is the key there. :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:39
be warned
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:39
And whatever else I bring will have anchors galore
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:39
the fact that aeronautica doesn't also have the 'in all instances clause' could be a gotcha
separate rules clause
RAI is obvious, RAW is for assholes but at tourneys that'll be a thing to watch carefully
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:40
I keep a crowbar in my battlefoam bag for those kinds of rules discussions
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:40
"old metal bjorn in a sock time"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:40
That also works quite nicely.
Also, also:
I little thing I've been working on:
Just the blog portion is live for now
The whole site will go live in a week or so
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:43
pity I'm on a tight budget and can't travel :(
tekton
@tekton
Feb 16 2018 19:45
A game con where I can also go to Salt Lick in my down time...this may need to be a trip I make.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:45
Oh my yes
The Salt Lick
Or the Iron Works
Both are excellent choices
The Narrative Guys are pulling out all the stops this year for us too
It's gonna be a good con
tekton
@tekton
Feb 16 2018 19:47
Came close to moving out that way a year and a half ago, ended up staying in SoCal but wouldn’t mind a trip back...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:49
Right on
I'm the webmaster (ugh) but I'm also the 40K GT TO (well, one of them, anyway)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:50
I want to get other guard stuff for these kasrkin, but right now I know march might not be very kind to some things, so I'm going to just get a couple chimeras and wait
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:51
Eh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:54
think I'll just stick to chimeras and scion boxes to finish converting my command section
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 19:55
Guard weren't exactly the Major Offenders at LVO
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 19:55
but they are what everyone is crying about, which has proven to make a difference (see: conscripts)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 20:03
Um
No
Allow me to introduce you to Dark Rapers
And Ynarri/Alaitoc crossover horseshit
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 20:08
makes me glad I play iyanden with only 5 DRs only because of a heavy deepstrike meta
tekton
@tekton
Feb 16 2018 20:32
I finally got to order the steel legion commanders to start on my guard list...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2018 20:41
@WindstormSCR I find that the metal Chaos Lord On Juggernaut is a better option that The Metal Bjorn ;)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 20:59
:musical_note: doon-doon-dun-dun-doooooooont :musical_note: STOP! Hammer time!....no, wait. Shadow Sword time!
....it's just not the same....
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 21:05
think I finally have a rough 2k point imperial soup list for solo games
for now
tekton
@tekton
Feb 16 2018 21:06
oh?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 21:06
factions represented: Guard (Kasrkin regiment), Inquisition, Assassins, Deathwatch, Custodes
acolytes pretty much exist to say "you can't deepstrike here"
tekton
@tekton
Feb 16 2018 21:07
Interesting, sounds fun to see
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 21:08
probably not a hugely amazing army, but the theme and fluff are good
allarus vexila guy has the praetorian plate which is pointed at the AM warlord, since I paint/play my custodes as the Aquilan shield
tekton
@tekton
Feb 16 2018 21:10
pretty awesome sounding
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 21:10
naggaroth night with a druchii violet wash makes for an amazing roman purple
offsets the gold perfectly
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 21:12
Ooooh
Got pics?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 21:13
not yet
will show and tell once I've got my example models done
my biggest conundrum was how to warm up the spray retributor
I was originally going to use fleshshade gloss, but that wound up looking too harsh compared to normal fleshshade muting the shadows
James
@skonk
Feb 16 2018 21:15
i prefer the mat washes
to dull down the shine a little
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 21:15
there are some cases where the gloss is super useful
like when doing black armor
nuln gloss for black armor is fucking incredible
depending on how much detail and color offset you have (there is lots on deathwatch marines) you don't even have to edge highlight except extremes
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe blinks
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 16 2018 21:23
Sure
That's...a very complex army LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 21:29
moderate complexity
I can do worse
James
@skonk
Feb 16 2018 22:32
I find it a stretch just working with a 2 codex army :)
James
@skonk
Feb 16 2018 23:22
More than 2 codexes in an army and it starts to do my nut in :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 16 2018 23:36
I usually draw out a diagram for soup detachments
James
@skonk
Feb 16 2018 23:56
:)