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19th
Feb 2018
tekton
@tekton
Feb 19 2018 00:27
Rex, Greyfax, Celestine, Eisenhorn is going to be a supcom detachment for me once he comes out
@CrusherJoe did the bikes get any better after more coats?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 00:30
@tekton add Lok in there too or krazypantsoff
tekton
@tekton
Feb 19 2018 00:30
@WindstormSCR maybe someday, inquisitor K gets painted first though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 00:31
Lok is kinda useless though
tekton
@tekton
Feb 19 2018 00:31
Rex, Greyfax, and E gives me the ordo triumvirate though ;)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 00:31
Kaz is useless too
tekton
@tekton
Feb 19 2018 00:32
Yup, but he looks cool on a display board ;)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 00:32
True
I kinda want to get Thorn then try to find a good daemonhost for cherubael
But I’m not a fan of any of the old daemonhost minis tbh
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 00:39
trying to work greyfax into my 1k custodes list for a tourny next weekend
so as to have some defense vs psykers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 00:42
@alphalas why not the FW renegade psyker?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 01:16
@tekton yeah it got better. Did the last coat with no thinning at all and it worked out pretty good
I had some failed experiments in making my own washes
Finally just filled the bowl up with Army Painter Strong Tone and sprayed all 3 bikes
tekton
@tekton
Feb 19 2018 06:40
@CrusherJoe yay better!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2018 08:52

Alrighty gentleheretics

I will resume my duties. While I don't feel as well as i should and the issues aren't resolved, I have a bit more energy than before. I even considered painting a few times in the last week :P

did I miss something major?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 19 2018 09:08
Welcome back! Glad to hear you're feeling better. Don't think you missed anything that exciting. TBH, it's been pretty quiet for the last couple of weeks.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 11:33
@Thairne good to have you back
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 17:07
@Thairne indeedy very good to have you back
GW has been keeping the unwashed masses occupied with AoS crap releases (okay the Daughter of Khaine are sweet looking models) but there hasn't been a 40K release in like a month (since 1K Sons)
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 17:11
TS faq is up
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 17:15
They aren't showing up on the US site yes :(
yet
Linky?
Q: Can I replace the Smite psychic power when using the Chaos Familiar Stratagem?
A: Yes.
that's a surprising addition
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 17:32
Pretty solid FAQ though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 17:40
fixed fire frenzy too
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 17:40
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Okay
I can't tell is that's a good thing or not (it's from Nottingham) but I have this urge to ask, "Do you even 40K, bro?"
I mean...Orks...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Throw Our Heads Back and Laugh.gif
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 17:42
i think it’s proof that nottingham is basically an echo chamber when it comes to competitive 40k
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 17:43
I think it's proof nobody knows WTF is going on
There's nothing in that chamber to echo
My current list would slaughter any Ork list in 2 rounds
LR Punisher and Vulture Punisher
That's many, many dead Orks/turn
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 17:46
yes but you don’t see lists like yours in nottingham
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 17:46
...yeah and I though my lists were nasty until I read some of the pure filth @WindstormSCR posts. :) (and I say that with nothing but love and respect)
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 17:54
They play standard rules and missions don't they?
so to me it shows that when not playing fiddled with ITC missions or whatever it produces vastly different results
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 18:02
@skonk ITC missions are straight out of the open war deck though.
there’s nothing you’ll encounter in ITC that GW hasn’t made
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 18:15
but the ITC missions have layers of stuff
different objectives, objectives you select yourself etc.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 19:38
@CrusherJoe flattering, but I'm not even the most comp player in my area
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 19:47
ITC missions are a mixed bag
Yeah choosing secondaries is cool n'all, but those can be gamed. You can build an army list that rarely gives up secondary objectives. I can't say I'm okay with that.
The ol' drawing cards thing (Maelstrom, right?) isn't bad, but there need to be some cards culled from the deck. Those that award X+D3 VP need to GTFO
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 19:49
I'm actually most enjoying the CA eternal war ones
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 19:50
So I have a friend that is usually a pretty good source for rumors (I'd say 80-90% accuracy) that claims the Tau codex is pretty much GK level for power
And that DE is pretty much Craftworld level
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 19:50
gives a reason to play out the game, and allows elite armies to maneuver and respond to threats without losing out on objectives
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 19:50
No news about Necrons yet
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 19:51
maelstrom was good for 7th in a defender's advantage game, but I think 8th personally is best played with EW missions except The Relic
fuck that mission
always rerolled, all the time
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 19 2018 19:52
I can't believe they seriously had to FAQ that second question... It makes me sad for the future of the human race.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 19 2018 19:54
Yeah fuck the relic
:-1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 20:03
Were people seriously attempting to dodge Slay the Warlord because of flesh change wording?
lol
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 20:17
My point was just that the GW tourneys will show different results to the ITC events in terms of what constitutes a strong list, due to the differences in how the events do scoring
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 19 2018 20:19
Can someone check I'm reading the FAQ right. An Exalted Sorc can now take 3 power swords?
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 20:22
It starts off with zero swords
but you could switch the staff out for a pair of swords
or something along those lines
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 19 2018 20:23
yes, and they didn't remove the line which lets them take a power sword.
just added a new one that lets him swap the stave.
It doesn't do him any good to have 3, but the option is there.
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 20:24
a lot of units have options that do nothing tho so its not that unusual
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 20:26
was that GT pure maelstrom or pure EW? or a mix?
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 20:27
im not actually sure; wouldn't surprise me if they had to just roll on it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 20:27
orks have strengths that play more to Maelstrom style games than EW or ITC
tbh part of the reason alpha-strike style lists are prevalent is because of the fact ITC has predictable progressive scoring
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 20:28
The ITC guys claim that ITC missions now favour going second
the majority of wins are players who dont get the first turn
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 20:29
I can tell you why
because the vast majority of the lists seeing play are ones with the maximum possible reserves
to shield from massive hammer strikes
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 20:30
yeh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 20:31
so its not really surprising
so the missions favor the player that drops his reserves in second
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2018 20:32
speaking of drunkharry codex... who is gonna write that one up??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 20:32
I've got more time these days, and custodes bugs are minimal
thought @Toreador13 had the cat though?
or have they vanished into the mists
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 20:37
i thought about trying to learn how to edit/create the files but I load the editor up and it breaks my brain
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 20:37
its not too bad
open up one of the smaller files and take a look
custodes are a good example file for that
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 20:37
a friend of mine is developing his own table top game and id like to be able to make the scribe files for his system
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 20:39
the hardest part is really the initial structure and making a set of standards for how to do stuff
that works with BS and follows the game logic
James
@skonk
Feb 19 2018 20:40
yeh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 20:40
@WindstormSCR tau = GK? Fuck
Not at all what I wanted to hear
I’m glad DE are strong, but damnit
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 20:41
that was joe posting, not me
but I can see it
Wraithknights are paying with shelf time for thier sins of last edition
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 20:43
Oh yeah it was lol
I just wanted tau to be middling to goo
Good*
Now it sounds they’re fair to middling at best
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 20:44
I mean, GK are serviceable in casual games
so its not gloom and doom
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2018 20:45
Yeah they’re fair to middling at best lol
Kinda crap competitively
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2018 21:46
i've not seen @Toreador13 for a while
do we know WHEN it is likely to drop??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 21:53
not yet
but give me an epub and I can hammer it out decently fast
Ynnari I don't even know anymore
I'm still in favor of just cutting them down to ynnari units and making people use nested detach
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2018 21:55
yeah, I pretty much agree with you
trying to make the same updates twice over was a rel ball ache
real ball ache
although, that will break literally EVERY Ynnarri list
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 21:56
with out ussx doing the things, shall we make that changeover on the drukhari drop?
tekton
@tekton
Feb 19 2018 21:56
@WindstormSCR GK are bad enough they’re not even in MY list this week :(
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2018 21:56
yes
I vote yes
especially since you HAVE to have one of the characters to run Ynnari
all that means is that we'll have to put mods in the other lists that if one of the triumvirate is in the detahcment they lose all their special rules
bother... that's the reason we ended up with a separate Ynnari CAT in the first place
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 19 2018 21:58
simple
put a no-force-org switch in the Drukhari/Craftworld/Harlequin cats, label it ynnari
then make the changes based on that
since you can't make changes based on other cats your nested with atm
limitation of the editor
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2018 22:03
yeah, so then, kill Ynnariiii CAT completely, put the triumvirate into each other CAT and go from there??
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Feb 19 2018 22:05
^^ put Ynnari in the GST as SSEs and RSE them in the individual cats?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Feb 19 2018 22:07
I think USSX is still active, just didn't lurk here
His GitHub profile says the man lives and works as lately as last week.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2018 22:08
yeah, last I heard from him he wanted to give up the Ynnari CAT
from december 24th:
I have 2 news
  1. Bad one. I have no time to work with Battlescribe Catalogues : (
  2. Good one. I've created an Amazon server where I will deploy "1-click" merge tool
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Feb 19 2018 22:10
Hmm
With a hopefully soonish switch to JSON and my tool, I could probably pretty easily mock some script up if you could give me a hint of what changes are needed.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2018 22:12
basically, there are some units in the CWE and DE codex that cannot be Ynnari
and all Aeldari lose their faction specific speical rules and gain strength from death
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Feb 19 2018 22:12
Wait
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2018 22:13
:+1: probably for the best :smile: