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25th
Feb 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 25 2018 00:28
I am now a believer in tempestus doctrine
"I shoot 4 plasma shots, I got 6 hits" "wait what"
tekton
@tekton
Feb 25 2018 01:08
yeah, it's pretty awesome- borrowed my friends with my GK for a while
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 25 2018 01:15
I ran 2 battalions and some custodes for a 2v2
tekton
@tekton
Feb 25 2018 01:16
nice, that sounds fun- what did your partner bring?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 25 2018 01:16
8 plasmaguns, 4 meltaguns, 2 HSVGs and a command section with 3HSVG and a vox, 3 chimeras
was mine
plus some wardens, vexilus praetor, and an achillus (which was damn awesome)
partner brought a IG tank company
he was cadian, I was using a small vanguard of IG to give my chimeras Tallarn
gryphonne chimeras with no penalty to shooting heavy weapons on the move are quite ace for toting scions around
tekton
@tekton
Feb 25 2018 01:20
nice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 05:01
@WindstormSCR I told you that Tempestus doctrine was good! :)
I played in a local tournament in San Antonio today
Tabled all 3 opponents, got a new box of Allurus and a couple of painting handles with the store credit prize :)
(I've....never won a tournament before :blush: )
tekton
@tekton
Feb 25 2018 05:28
congrats! that's awesome :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 05:30
Thanks! :) It felt good. :)
tekton
@tekton
Feb 25 2018 05:33
what was the toughest list you faced?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 16:55
@tekton probably the Thousand Sons list
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:14
Though the last list I faced (for 1st) was an odd combo of Ultras and Raven Guard with 3 of the flyer thingies -- Stormweasel Stormturd Stormtalon, yeah I think that's right, 2 of those and 1 of the other one? The Stormherd Stormhack~~ Stormhawk? Right. That one. Really annoying opponent, too. Every time I went to fire a weapon, even if I measured distance, even if it was closer to 24" than 12", that his Buzzard Crow Grackle Raven Guard were "-1 to hit".
Every.
Single.
Time.
"Right, jackass. I know your rules." Ugh. It got to the point that I started saying, "And yes, I remember, your Raven Guard are -1 to hit." He was one of those types. You know the kind. Question every rule you quote, wanna see every weapon profile you have. He showed up with a bunch of bike bases at first and the TO told him to GTFO with that BS and made him change his list to use models he had. "But my bikes haven't come in yet from Ebay...."
Yeah...one of those.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:21
My first game I took my foot off the gas after turn 1 -- dude was playing Deathwatch and while he got to go first he really wanked it up and parked his Blackstar full o' dudes in my deployment zone thinking he was going to do some quick anti-tank work. I call it "Pask Fever". Well...he put 5 wounds on Pask, I moved everyone away, rolled the Cyclops under the Blackstar and that was that. I actually had to fire my Vulture Punisher and my LR Punisher to remove the remaining dudesmen. It was a mop-up after that.
Second list was the 1K Sons piloted by my boy Brian. Rolled the "Search and Destroy" deployment. I literally parked my tanks and arty butted up against the short table edge starting in the corner. He rolled a 3 to go first, I rolled a 5 then he failed to sleaze. So it was
Let's Start the Shooting Phase.jpg
tekton
@tekton
Feb 25 2018 17:26
That’s awesome
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:26
Or as I like to call facing Magnus going first with Relic of Lost Cadia
Primarch Season.jpg
tekton
@tekton
Feb 25 2018 17:28
Heh
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:29
I got some baller rolls with Pask and the BC LR, Basilisk finished him off (and Brian's dice abandoned him for Magnus saves). Then it was a slugfest.
Here's a hint:
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:29
did a 1k point event today, lost 1 won 2 with a small custodes force
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:30
Tzeench daemon princes are no joke. Arihman isn't either. SO MANY PSYCHIC POWERS
And deep striking Rubrics -- gaggle of 20. So gross.
Game finished with like 2 minutes to spare. He made me kill every dang model he had LOL
(To be fair, everyone I know is a "play til everything is dead" kind of player)
But -- and this may made me a bad person -- the only tabling I enjoyed delivering was the one against the Round 3 one. He was one of those smug little punk asses that acted like one of those "40K Elites" on a Twitch stream. Winning that game was immensely satisfying.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:35
How are you liking the Custodes so far @skonk ?
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:36
they're fun and simple to play; nice if you just want a game where you don't have to do much :)
but.....
the low model count means when you have a turn where a few units attacks get really bad rolls it can lose you the game
the low model count it's self isn't an issue due to them being so tough but I lost one of the games today because i rolled so badly on 3 units in one turn...
and 3 units was half my army
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:38
Yeah if your dice abandon you it's really, really hard to pull it back out with so few dudes
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:38
if we'd both rolled to the averages i would have tabled him in 3 turns
this was vs nurgle daemons
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:38
I know some folks are terrified of them -- and they should be, they're pretty damned awesome -- they aren't forgiving at all to pilot
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:39
but on turn 1 he negated 20 damage on the 5+ DR
so i killed almost nothing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:39
oh man that's gross
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:39
then turn 2 i couldn't stop rolling 1's
but it was the lack of killing much on turn 1 that did it really
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:39
Ugh
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:40
even then it was close on points
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:40
Man that sucks.
But glad it was still close on points
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:40
and he won by doing a 9 inch charge with his great unclean one onto Greyfax who would have scored 3 points on an objective due to the mission
had he not made the charge and killed her
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:40
Erk
Yeah Greyfax vs GUO is not a good matchup for Greyfax
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:41
aye
i took her as a cheap way to get some deny the witch
she can do 2 and gets a +1 to them
she defo won me one of the games
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:42
Oh I love Greyfax. She's the off switch for pyskers.
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:42
once i have the models I'd be tempted to switch her out though in favour of a battalion of guard
180 points for +3 cp and CP generation in both turns
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:43
Yes sir
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:43
or spend a little more to take a couple of psykers
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:43
I started each game with...10 or 11 CP (didn't take RoLC when not facing Chaos) and never finished with fewer than 3
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:44
deepstriking units using the strat seems key but it costs 3 cp to deepstrike 2 units; with the -1 to get greyfax in im left with 2 points :(
with my current 1k list
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:45
You could take Greyfax plus 2 Primaris Psykers in a Supreme Command and not lose anything
Psykers don't benefit from any Regimental Doctrines to lose in the first place
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:46
wouldnt be able to take the relic and warlord trait to get cp on a 5+ tho
3 primaris psykers would let me use those tho
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:46
True -- I was just trying to think of a way to use Greyfax and not take th -1 CP hit
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:47
its just that for an army that is so vastly improved by liberal use of strats... it's an army that's hard to get many CP in unless you mix something else in
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:47
But a battalion of Guard gives you more bodies for bubblewrap and/or area denial and/or objectives (though that's not really a huge issue for Custodes other than needing to be able to hold more of them)
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:48
yeh
for example, one of the games was vs 3 blood angel librarian dreadnoughts and 3 onegar dunecrawlers, so all T6 with nothing in my army hitting harder than Str 6
if id had more CP i could have used the +1 to wound on spears strat every turn
and not taken 5 turns of combat to finally kill the crawlers
charged em on turn 1 and only killed them on turn 5
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 17:49
Indeed
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 17:49
all t7 sorry
i was 5+ to wound all the time
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 18:34
That, sir, is what you call an uphill battle
tekton
@tekton
Feb 25 2018 18:42
@CrusherJoe you should feel good about that game ;)
@skonk yeah, I’m just finishing the bikers to get them on the table and not be blutac this week- after playing GK so long this doesn’t feel as bad
James
@skonk
Feb 25 2018 18:47
:)
tekton
@tekton
Feb 25 2018 18:57
currently thinking about how to make a better dual repulsor build for my other event league/escelation league
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 25 2018 19:18
right now I'm just looking towards the deathwatch/Inq codexes and hoping they unfuck DW instead of making things even worse
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 25 2018 19:23
idk i have enough whiny DW players here locally i almost hope they make DW closer to what they’ve historically been
but that’s just me being a vindictive asshole
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 25 2018 19:28
there's reason to be upset though, when a DW marine costs more than an intercessor base and is still 1w in 8th
its a glassier cannon than fucking eldar right now
drop the base cost of terminators and vets and that's all they really need (bikes/terminators/vvs back to single man units would be nice)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 25 2018 19:36
basically I would agree if it were unjustified whining
tekton
@tekton
Feb 25 2018 20:58
We also tried it giving terminators an extra wound- didn’t change many things but made them feel less useless
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Feb 25 2018 21:44
Yeah I'd never played against DW before in 8th
It was...kinda brutal
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Feb 25 2018 21:54
the special ammo is decent, but it's not worth what DW pay on an already overpriced tacmarine base