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3rd
Mar 2018
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:00
How are centurions these days?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:00
So you know how some units are a few points over what they should be, and they're considered "overpriced"?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:01
I had started converting some terminators to use as centurions and I'm trying to decide whether to finish the conversion or just screw it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:01
Centurions are like that, but by about 100 points. Each. Not per model.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:01
Damn
Seems like they could be solid anti infantry units
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:02
I have 6. They've hit the table exactly once in 8th.
Oh they are.
They are also overpriced by about 100 points each.
I expected a price drop for them in CA. hahahaaaaaaa....NOPE
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:04
How much are they for grav and hurricanes?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:05
Okay I mis-stated myself. They're overpriced by about 70 points.
Each one is 110 points naked
Now they are T5 W3 Sv2+
Which sounds pretty good until you realize they managed to forget the 5++ or anything like it because they draw fire like nobody's business
OH wait that 110 is with hurricane bolters and 2x heavy bolters
So they're 80 points naked
So they're about 40 points overcosted each
Grav has been neutered and nerfed into uselessness, so don't really bother with that noise
Just go with 2xLas cannons and hurricane bolters
Then wait for some chumps to get in rapid fire range
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:11
For the minimum 3 that's 36 bolter shots. With Guilliman nearby (and why wouldn't he be?) that's pretty decent against anything that would want to charge you
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:12
He wouldn't be because I'm a Templar ;)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:12
For super-lulz-time I ran them -- that one time -- as two units configured like that. That's 880 points plus Guilliman
72 bolter shots at rapid fire range, rerolling everything
It scoured the battlefield of harlequins that day
Buuuuuut 880 points for 18 no-invul-save wounds? Um...no. That's two land raiders.
If you're determined to do it stick a chapter master near them for max re-rolls. They're so expensive every damned miss is like a chunk out of your soul
If you're really committed to the idea, take an apothecary for each Cent unit you take -- they WILL take fire, they will take wounds, and they will die like expensive little bitches and the apothecary can heal or bring one back when one dies (note I said when not if)
But seriously, at that point you've taken over half your army's points up for like 5 models.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:17
That makes Custodes look over and go, Daaaaaaaaayum, son, that's a low model count army you got there."
Sorry 9 models. Stupid fingers
Okay that load out -- 2x3 las/hb Cents, 2x Apothecary and High Marshal Helbrecht is 1120 points.
Cents are 420 each. By comparison, a Land Raider Crusader is 308.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:21
Lol
I'd almost rather have the land raider
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:21
For Templars?
Yes, you would.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:22
Or an Achilles which gives no fucks about well anything lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:22
Very much truth right there.
You begin to understand why mine are on Shelf Patrol?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:25
Yeah
They will guard your shelf with their lives
Which will be short XD
What about regular tda?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:26
So I will preface what I'm about to say with this: I love TDA.
It's my favorite thing in the SM arsenal.
I want it to match the fluff
One extra wound is like...a step in the right direction, but stops way short of the goal
They should be T5 2+/4++ regular, and have that rule that they Mars-Alpha pattern Russ does, about adding 1 to a save roll vs anything S4 and below
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:28
I love tda too
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:29
Because you can mow down termies with bolters, lasguns, shuriken, etc.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:29
DW gets all the good tda
I was thinking about some tartaros tda
I have plenty of hammernators
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:29
Technically Custodes get all the good TDA LOL
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:29
Lol true
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:29
Mmmmmmmm hammernators
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:29
But 50 bucks for 3 mini's
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe brings up some memories that make him smile
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:30
Run them with a cata captain or that delicious chaplain tda mini
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:30
If you could take the Custodes statline and apply that to regular TDA you'd be in business. We all would be.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:30
The original one that is
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:31
OMG right? That Terminator Chaplain mini was the best
Along with the original Librarian in TDA model
Back in 5th I put an end to the Knob Biker menace in our meta with Lysander-led hammernators
There's mine
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:36
That's beautiful.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:37
Thanks man
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:38
You are welcome. Man that looks nice.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:39
It's one of my favorite mini's
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:39
Oh yeah
It strike the perfect blend of "little details" and menacing
Nowadays GW's idea of a showcase/centerpiece model (which that one definitely is) is to keep adding crap on it until you can't see the base model anymore
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I respectfully submit Exhibit "A"
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:43
Yup lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:43
Relictors Terminator Chaplains.JPG
And Exhibit "B", clearing showing the difference between Hot and Sexy Perfectly Balanced Mini Design on the left, and "OMG WTF THAT CHAPLAIN CAN'T MOVE FOR ALL THE SHIT ON HIM" Mini 'Design'" (and I use the word "design" loosely) on the right.
Don't get me wrong, CAD-powered mini design has really made GW leap way out in front of their competitors in a lot of way
But it also empowers designers to create abominations as well
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:46
Lol yeah, there is another chaplain floating around from a 3rd party that suffers from that too
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:46
Wargame Exclusive
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:46
Waaaay to busy
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:46
I know the one you're talking about
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:46
Yeah that's the one
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:46
They're doing a line of Sisters knockoffs supposedly
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:46
Primaris sized so, would never be more than a showcase for me
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:47
The CADs I saw of it suffered from that syndrome in a bad, bad way
Er, "them" not "it"
Sisters of the Burning Rose or something like that
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:48
Yeah
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:48
Of all the 3rd party Sisters I've seen, the only one I bought were Grishnak Models ones
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:48
I actually like the intercessor mini's
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:48
They are perfection
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:48
But hate the fluff
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:49
With the exception that they must have used starving Ukrainian models as their...um...models
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:49
What about TGG?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:49
By Raging Hormones?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:49
Yeah
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:49
I'll bet you get my opinion by the name I just used lol
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:49
Lol
I bought some of their stuff from the last kickstarter
But I went mostly fantasy and got angels
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:50
They aren't all bad. Some are quality sculpts
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:50
I did get the bonus inquisitor mini though
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:50
So, though, are pure cheesecake
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:50
She's awesome
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:50
And that ain't why I play/collect Sisters
I also have an Urban Legend Sophie
So I'm not opposed to cheesecake. :)
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 17:52
Lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 17:53
I have a box of Reverend Moiras from Infinity. One of the is going to be a Callidus.
So again, I'm not opposed to cheesecake here and there
Just keep that business away from a group of dedicated warrior monks that happen to be female
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 18:01
Have you used tda to any decent effect in 8th?
Mmm reverend Morias
Nomads are my second Faction in Infinity
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 18:03
See? They're undeniably cheesecake-y especially if you build them without the read tabards (which I'm totally going to do)
Basically bare bottoms everywhere
As for TDA...well...
I basically abandoned my marines after AM came out. They seem to go better with Sisters.
I have 3 exorcists to add to my Sisters as well. Eff me I have a lot of things in backlog
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 18:11
What little I know is if you're gonna take 'em, take all 10 and be aggressive with them. Shootynators lay down a surprising number of storm bolter shots in rapid fire range
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 18:11
Yeah storm bolters are silly this edition
Finally
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 18:12
I would go with "finally approaching their fluff"
Also since it's an Index option
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe rolls his eyes and goes, "Ugh"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 18:14
Take the teleport homer
Nothing says lovin like bouncing back in front of a unit and charging it with hammernators
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 18:24
Teleport homer is in the codex too
Sounds like it's more of an emergency gtfo than an offensive tool
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 18:28
It can be both LOL
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 18:29
Dissappears if an enemy comes within 9 though
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 18:40
I didn't say it wouldn't require careful use and/or planning ahead LOL
Interesting
Thank the emperor there's no sept trait of -1 to hit
Also, this:
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 19:55
very cheesecake lol
This is the raging heroes inquisitor I got
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 03 2018 20:34
Speaking of have you fielded any inquisitors?
tekton
@tekton
Mar 03 2018 20:36
@CrusherJoe I was hoping for the -1 to give my stealth suits -2 though
But if they just kept giving it out it might as well be a universal rule...now I hope there’s some flyer changes to make the bomber cheaper/better
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 21:28
I have fielded Inquisitors. I have Greyfax and she's superb for what she's there to do
James
@skonk
Mar 03 2018 21:29
i like using greyfax with my custodes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 21:29
Greyfax is a Deny-ing machine
And a good witch-killer in a pinch
And you're right the Maxmini Inquisitor is very...um...buxom
Which is why I said, "I don't mind cheesecake"
I just don't like it on my Sisters
And @tekton no, no, no, a thousand times NO
They need to abolish that stupid -1 to hit rule in every place it exists, except flyers (because flyers having it actually makes sense)
James
@skonk
Mar 03 2018 21:58
-1 would be fine
if that was the best you could ever get
none of this stacking it to -2 and -3
tekton
@tekton
Mar 03 2018 22:06
Heh - if 6 was auto hit anyway I would actually be ok with the stacking. But I get why it needs to be reigned in :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 03 2018 22:59
I went through a moment where I thought 6s did auto-hit
Boy was I surprised when I found out differently