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4th
Mar 2018
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 00:11
Yeah, it makes Orks almost unable to beat Nids right now in some comps, even in melee
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 04 2018 01:00
You know what happens to you when you have kids?
You find yourself Googling how old the characters in My Little Pony are because some of them are clearly over 1000 years old XD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 01:09
So far my son has shown zero interest in MLP.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 04 2018 02:28
well I would think so, but my 5 year old girl.... May the Emperor help me XD
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 02:57
So just got home from a 1500 narrative 30k event; went 1-2
Had fun though
Also god damn Zone Mortalis is fun as fuck
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 03:00
nice
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 03:07
i don’t miss 7e though
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 04 2018 03:22
not even a little bit
7e was like the fucking dark ages
and 8th is the renaissance
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 03:25
30k wasnt nearly asd bad as regular 40k
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 04 2018 03:26
so i hear
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 03:26
but its more some of the goofy interactions in 7e i dont miss
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 04 2018 04:13
good thing FW has the opportunity to rip some of those goofy interactions out now at thier leisure while still keeping what does work
the things I miss from 7th/HH when I play 8e are the fun "defining" abilities
force, haywire, the crazy but fun reserves rules
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 04:26
ID/Force was cool agreed
haywire was ok
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 04 2018 04:26
just those types of effects existing made it easier to make interesting weapons/effect
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 04:26
true
i dont miss AV interaction though
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 04 2018 04:28
AV would have been fine to stay if the instant-explodes result went away and there were more HPs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 04:33
i like tanks having armor saves
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 04:33
This ^^^
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 04:34
and t usualy was a better measure of how hard something was to kill then av
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 04:34
But I'm a confirmed and dedicated Tread Head
Did you have fun at your thing?
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 04:34
Tanks should be fun and tanky
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 04:35
i get the tactical mindset of having to keep facings in mind when moving tanks; but i too am a treadheads, and am terrible at facings stuff
Yeah; i probably would have been better off using the 2 contemptors and lev over the bananabois
but i took them because it pissed off the one TO
he deserves to be trolled though so it was ok
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 04:37
If you can't troll your friends, who can you troll?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 04:40
He’s one of those guys who’s like “Custodes were literally in zero war zones in numbers of more then 3 dudes other then Prospero and Terra”
So if you want to take banana bois, you can only take an Allied detachment (1 HQ, 1-2 troops, 0-1 elite, 0-1 fast, 0-1 Hs)
So I brought 8 custodes ;)
Shield captain with spear/shield, 3 sentinels, and 4 sagitarrum Guard
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 05:08
heh, that’s awesome
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 06:23
I kinda want people who say things like that to, like, you know, lick my scrote
REMEMBER:
If any part of your rules argument includes something along the lines of "Well, in accordance with the fluff..."
YOU'VE LOST THE ARGUMENT ALREADY
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe shakes his head
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 06:33
Also
New Shield Captain and weapons for Custodes on FW
That paint job on the SC like sick AF
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 04 2018 11:46
I do not miss anything about the vehicle rules from 7th
50ish pages of garbage and confusion
All those arguments about facing and weapon LoS
Poof! Gone in one simple elegant move
My friend and I had been saying for years that vehicles should just be MC
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 13:37
God damnit he’s back again
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 14:03
?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 14:07
#2592
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 04 2018 14:12
He does have a point though, models should only be able to select relics they have access too...
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 04 2018 14:16
True but relics are actually selected after the list is built before the game
Because second and third ones cost cp
James
@skonk
Mar 04 2018 14:20
The free relic is "before the battle begins" so as you said, all relics are don't just before the game starts
But a lot of people like to do relics, spells, warlord traits etc during list building
and having BS check they're not making mistakes even with stuff like this can be very handy
I've said this before; but I wish BS had the ability to let you add colour to the stuff that appears in the Log, and to write custom messages into the log so you can make it clear that some things are validation errors while others are friendly suggestions
Would be able to warn people if they have for example, mixed units into the same detachment that don't share the right keywords to keep it codex specific
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 04 2018 14:32
Well yes, I don't think we'll be able to go all the way to CP validation, but units should only be able to select relevant relics
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 04 2018 14:37
Some will always be available like the crusader helm for BT
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 14:44
Ah, that, yes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 15:03
@FarseerVeraenthis the conclusion that was reached when we standardized on our current pattern (all relics in SSEG, no validation) was basically that it was too much effort and file bloat for too little return
Also if you include the text of “x relic replaces y wargear” in the profile of the relic, there is practically zero reason to need the validation because a quick glance at the roster will show if the player’s list is incorrect or not.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 04 2018 15:06
Righto, but then, if you don't check your own work, and your opponent doesn't check it carefully, people could cheat without realising...
I just had a thought that you could spilt the relic SSEG into one per "replace"
Then you only need to link to the correct relics per unit
Or validate on the shared selection entry of the wargear being replaced
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 04 2018 15:10
We just got away from that though lol
It boils down to with the limitations of BS and to keep it simple and not overly bloated with nonsense we went to the current standard
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 04 2018 15:26
All of my cats validate that the unit actually has the replaceable wargear. It's not massively complicated to implement
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 04 2018 15:28
:+1: :wink:
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 19:52
It's finally warm enough while I'm home to prime...silly winter
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 22:00
...and went through an entire can of chaos black.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 22:07
Yeah that happens LOL
I just got home from doing some shopping. Got oil paints and mineral spirits. Gonna try some oil washes and oil dot weathering.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 22:12
very nice
i'm looking at hotel rooms in austin in august...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 22:12
Dude stay at our hotel -- the one linked from the sight
There
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 22:13
i may be there longer than those nights, i have a lot fo friends and co workers that live in cedar park and austin
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 22:13
Dude I live in Cedar Park
Why am I suddenly saying "dude" a lot?
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe makes a note to cut that shit out
tekton
@tekton
Mar 04 2018 22:14
'tsa'll good dude
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 22:14
Right on LOL
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 04 2018 22:53
Re: #2592 ...what confuses me is the expectation that we'll do everything for you. I don't see where that's part of the contract, nor part of what we promise to our users.
Maybe this isn't the best attitude to have, but my attitude is, "If you want something else and/or better, please feel free to code it yourself."