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6th
Mar 2018
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 06 2018 00:47
Why does it seem like everybody thinks the chapter approved is optional?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 2018 00:51
because morons
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 00:56
Index vs codex, it’s just a new codex...so optional! ...was the answer I got once
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 2018 00:57
:facepalm:
looks like tau are going to introduce a new wrinkle to the meta
stacking +wound modifiers
we've seen a 'preview' of that type of thing with horrors and tzaangor skyfires
and people were already starting to complain about it
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 06 2018 00:58
There should be no stacking modifiers in the game period
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 06 2018 01:06
Eww
Like that makes me giddy but... eww
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 01:26
Guess I should order three more hammerheads...
Just hoping I have a reason to take sky rays again really
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 01:32
Are +wounds really that bad? You still have to hit, and it’s kind of +2 str, but also getting that much closer to more 6 I guess making it that much deadlier
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 06 2018 01:34
yes, if it were a +Strength that'd be fine
but to wounds? No. Suddenly your S5 weapons hits me like it's S8? no thanks
Or worse, you normall wound my LR on a 6+ but now you are getting +2 from places and shitty fire warriors are suddenly a huge thread to my nearly 400 point model
fuck that
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 06 2018 01:43
but it sounds like it's going to happen and Tau will be broke as fuck again :worried:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 2018 01:47
example
pink horrors are S3, just lasguns right?
+1 to wound from daemonspark, reroll 1s to wound from flickering fire, and +1s from herald.
suddenly "lol my S4 horrors are wounding marines on 2s!"
most vehicles and large monsters have nothing protecting them but high T and a medium armor save
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 06 2018 01:50
^this
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 2018 01:50
+2 to wound on Str 5 guns with a -2 AP suddenly wound landraiders on 3s and give it a 4+ save
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 06 2018 01:50
which should never happen
EVER
GW did so good when they made vehicles good again by changing the BS that was AV rules
and now they are going to be rolling coffins again
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 2018 01:51
"don't worry guys, small arms will never be a REAL threat to knights and landraiders"
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 06 2018 01:51
as a knight blows up in the background from firewarriors
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 03:32
It does feed the infantry heavy emphasis to be sure- but is that better or worse than hitting more often?
Would hitting more but wounding less feel better?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 03:33
I'm gonna need another LR Punisher
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 04:17
LOLOLOLOLOL
Purging Intensifies.gif
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 04:23
Very nice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 04:25
It's gonna be time to break out all the melta Doms in Repressors again
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 06:21
so, my hero hammer w/space marines list just did a lot better than it should have...scouts hit way above their weight this game night taking out characters better than they should have- so many 6's
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 08:36
Nurgle Daemons can still cast their +1 wound (7+ double damage) Spell multiple times onto the same unit and each cast last the entire game
stacking it to +whatever turn number you're on
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 06 2018 08:48
Yes, they broke it again in the Codex after fixing in the FAQ to the Index.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 06 2018 13:31
oooh, is that the games day thunder hammer captain?
i think i might still have mine... somewhere
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 06 2018 14:15
does anyone know where I can find the "best" (Subjective I know) tourney Terrain layout guide? trying to do a campaign game with local guys but keep it as consistent as possible for pieces of LoS blocking etc.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 15:15
Layout? As in how terrain is placed?
Nova does a pretty good setup if I remember correctly.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 06 2018 15:33
obviously fake
those overcharge profiles are actually worth using
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 06 2018 15:39
:D
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Mar 06 2018 15:39
Tau broken
XD
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 06 2018 15:39
1CP to get two benefits from Nova Reactor is pretty nice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 15:40
I just realized a group of Tau should be called a tumor
Or T'umor
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 06 2018 15:42
i like the new nova-charge
since you still have the choice of using standard or overcharge
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe is gonna keep his big Guard playing mouth shut
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 15:48
Momma said not to say anything if you don't have something good to say :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 2018 15:49
@GenWilhelm possibly, I'm not sure :+1: it's just a bucket load of Dark Angels at a pretty crazy price
If I were a trader I'd be all over itike a rash
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Mar 06 2018 16:05
as a yorkshireman i still get confused as to why the tau are now called "the au"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 16:05
You say "rash", I say "t'umor"
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Mar 06 2018 17:06
bork'an + y'vharas, 14" 3d6 auto hit S6 3D ap-3, om nom
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 06 2018 17:06
yeah, just saw the same thing in other chat :D
use the escape thrust to deep strike, then burn them up with the flamers
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 2018 17:54
I hate tau :worried:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 06 2018 18:13
@FarseerVeraenthis Thanks for the link, but I would never ever buy models not painted by me (except the comissions I do because fuck those huge pieces I cannot do justice :P)
That is a huge load though...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 2018 18:14
Uhuh, and not all of it is painted... Some of it is still in shrink wrapped boxes...
(but I'm in the same boat as well)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 06 2018 18:14
in that case I refer you to my huge backlog and upcoming amigers I have to have... :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 2018 18:15
Yup, I have a mega backlog too
But part of me still wants to buy those models because #discount
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 06 2018 18:16
I get that. I so get that.
Its the old "want, but dont need" trick...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 18:37
I have a battalion+ of Scions, a Shadowsword, Salamander, 2 Manticores, 2 Valkyries, Bullgryn,....yeah the List of Shame is pretty long for me right now
Oh and a Banana Hammock as well
All in various stages of (non-)completion
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 20:16
So
Star Wars Rebels
:+1:
Just finished it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 06 2018 20:20
working on last episode
dont spoil lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 20:20
The last few minutes are great
It brought a cheer and a tear
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 2018 21:31
Also, don't let's start comparing "to do" piles... That road just leads to lament
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 2018 21:33
Welp
apparently someone with some CAD skill make the stormsurge not ass
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 21:34
Yes, that is a path to misery @FarseerVeraenthis
check the DOI painted preview in the images
or this one:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 06 2018 21:38
Tau grind my gears... But at least the new codex should stop people moaning on about how OP Eldar are
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 06 2018 21:43
might be too late for us, with the march update about to hit and the existing mass of whinge
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 21:44
I realize that I may despise Tau more than Eldar. This is an exciting moment of self-realization.
ON THE OTHER HAND
At least they didn't pass out another hit of "-1 To Hit FOR YOUR ENTIRE ARMY"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 21:49
And on the other, other hand, once people get a whiff of the new Tau shooting no one will complain about Guard anymore
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 23:03
Was Tau that "bad" in 7th that they are hated so?
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:10
No they wern't
noncompetitive in the tourny scene
no defence vs psykers etc
people just dislike them... like... just cos
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 23:11
huh
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:11
the game would often feel one sided for 3 or 4 turns till the tau got charged and lost the game
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 23:13
interesting
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:13
same deal with crons
very frustrating to play against
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 23:13
OH LET'S SEE
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:13
and strong in casual games
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 23:13
Army wide, table-wide Interceptor
Riptides Wings
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:14
never won tournaments tho cos psychic death starts owned em
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 23:14
Ripple Fire
Overlapping overwatch
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:14
stars^
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 23:14
Shall I continue?
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:14
yes yes we know
you hate them
you will always hate them
and you will continue to gripe about them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 23:14
Nope I'm done
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 23:14
...for now
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 23:14
I'm not going to say anything else about them
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:15
i don't believe that for a second :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 23:15
As complaining is dumb and might offend someone...though I don't mean it to be hurtful I realize it may be to someone so...time to keep my mouth shut
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:15
Tau, like Necrons in 7th ed were strong when played in casual games and could be very frustrating to play against
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 23:15
All they wanted to do was give you a hug @CrusherJoe!
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:15
but in the competitive scene they didn't do well at all
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 06 2018 23:17
Honestly it wasn't them that was the problem in and of itself
It was Codex: Riptide Wing
tekton
@tekton
Mar 06 2018 23:18
I feel like the riptide is a weird choice and doesn't fit the 5th ed and before lore, I still don't have any built
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:19
the riptide wing was the only remotely competitive thing the tau had and it still got shit on by plenty of stuff
it didnt even do that much
+1 to hit, re-roll failed nova reactor rolls and ONCE PER GAME if they didn't move can shoot twice
i honestly blame mini wargaming for a lot of the hate
matt did a review when the dex came out, having never played it, and claimed it was OP
that got repeated around at the local hobby shops and in other batreps n shit and everyone just went with it
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:24
the results from events showed otherwise tho
James
@skonk
Mar 06 2018 23:34
oh and the +1 to hit only applied to riptides shooting a target that has already been shot by one of the other riptides, so wouldn't always be active