These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

7th
Mar 2018
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 07 2018 07:47
I think I dislike them because I don't like the fact that the new race can outshoot one of the oldest races in the galaxy (Eldar) and for some reason that makes me salty... Also I remember I had some rough games against tau when they very first came out and that made me dislike them...
I think it's also the fact that they get shiny new toys and... Eldar don't...
I know that's the case with other Armies but I don't play them so I can't comment :+1:
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 09:00
They never could outshoot them tho
Which is why in 7th Eldar ruled the comp scene
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 07 2018 09:12
Yeah, I remember being shot to ribbons by Tau, perhaps I'm just not very good and it wasn't Tau being strong more me being rubbish...! :smile:
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 09:14
individual experiences will vary obvously
which is why i judge stuff more based on results of the larger events
local meta plays a big part in individuals opinions on stuff like
When I did play Tau it was often against Orks, Space Marines, AdMech, Dark Eldar, Eldar, Necrons
but I also played Necrons and various types of Chaos
I lost most games with the Tau against anything other than Eldar but I only started winning against Eldar when I started including a Culexus Assassin in my list to counter the psychic guff
when I started pretty much exclusively playing Chaos Space Marines, which at the time were generally considered weak and not competitive at all.... I basically won every game I played.
But as i said, I don't base my opinion of how strong an army is on my own limited experience with them, rather I look at (or used to when I had more interest in it) I would read up on the results of all the major events to see a better sample size of data
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 09:20
We have Eldar winning most stuff again right now (specifically craftworld units run as ynnari) but I actually don't think they're particularly overpowered... they just have the tools to do well against anything. LVO was very close to being a weird imperial soup list vs eldar in the final and it was mainly down to shinannigans that it ended up with a final between 2 mirrored lists of eldar/ynnari
Can't really judge anything in 8th till all the codexes are out because the released of a codex that can counter the current strongest lists could totally change which faction rules the roost.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 07 2018 09:56
looking at the leaks from T'au codex, I have a glimmer of hope for Necrons ...a slow burning ember of hope that is so easily dowsed I have to be careful when I weep for the passing of Guard / Guilliman-star in their moment of glory
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 10:43
:)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 07 2018 14:16
tell me I'm wrong to hope Tesla destructors go from S7 back to S9 ... still with 0AP
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 07 2018 15:32
Farsight preview is up and they've dropped the banhammer on Commander spam.
One Commander per detachment in matched play.
and Farsight himself got a nice upgrade.
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 16:09
I'm not really bothered by that but....
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 16:09
i don’t see the FSE sept getting much play though
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 16:09
i wish they would stop people spamming commanders... by you know... making NOT spamming them simply be the better way to go because of the rules
rather than hard banning something in a way they havn't done to any other army
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 16:10
unless theres a run+shoot mechanic off manta striking your crisis suits will still die before the sept doctrine is of any use
@skonk 1; only codex riptide and later DIDNT have 0-1 commander limit
the first 2 tau codecies did
2; with SCD’s how do you make it better to not spam them without making all suits the same?
you have 3 different levels of suits; your idea makes a commander basically equal to vanilla crisis
which is NO BUENO
I get your reservations; but this is the best way to fix commander spam.
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 16:14
as i said, with rules
balance the units in the army so its more efficient to run different units rather than just spamming commanders
give rules, strats etc that benefit units other than commanders
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 16:15
that creates more cans of worms though
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 16:15
there are loads of ways to incentivise players from doing something without needing to simply ban something
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 16:15
and tbh gw’s been mediocre at that with every codex so far
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 07 2018 16:15
Command/Control Node being back
as a strategem
Is awesome.
I'm saddened though, not terribly a fan of farsight's re-rolling wounds of 1 ...
compared to 6" range on ... everything.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 16:17
i just dont see the reroll 1’s w/i 6” to be great for FSE though
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 07 2018 16:17
I may paint a farsight inspired Bork'An
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 16:18
like i said, unless there’s a way to manta within 6” or run and shoot after manta
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 07 2018 16:18
I have 2 storm-surges, i'll be damned if I don't abuse the shit out of 6" additional range on pulse blastcannons.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 16:19
fair lol
biggest things i have any more are my r'varnas
and they’re… mediocre
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 07 2018 16:20
They'll be sub-par after the riptide buff.
since they won't get any part of that.
until IA happens.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 16:20
yup
i keep being people getting all excited about y’varahs; i think they might actually get toned down
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 07 2018 16:24
The last thing I can hope for is that Broadsides are buffed a bit
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 16:24
I wonder if people will start using markerlights again
currently, taking them in any form is a massive waste of points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 07 2018 16:25
I somewhat doubt it.
You either need 1 or 5 to do anything useful.
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 16:25
yeh tbh i agree
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 07 2018 16:25
And it's pretty easy to get 1.
It's terribly hard to get 5.
I ususally took 1 pathfinder squad, just to put 1 markerlight on something I wanted re-roll 1s.
and that was about it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 07 2018 16:28
how much is the strat for +d3?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 07 2018 16:28
Which is a shame, I have a butt-load of marker drones and not all that many gun drones.
2 I think?
tekton
@tekton
Mar 07 2018 16:39
Fireblades are cheap makerlights ;)
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 19:01
the limit of 1 commander per detachment is actually worse than it may seem at first
since it uses COMMANDER as a keyword
it means you are forced to use an ethereal in any detachment that requires more than 1 HQ
since farsight, shadowsun and likely any FW hq battle suits all have the COMMANDER keyword
So, you go Farsight Enclaves who's whole point is that they don't follow the Ethereals... and you have to take Ethereals.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 19:17
Fireblades @skonk
Fireblades
James
@skonk
Mar 07 2018 19:17
ah yeh forgot about those
tekton
@tekton
Mar 07 2018 19:46
They’re cheap markerlights, too!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 20:54
I think not tweaking XV8s is a mistake
they hyped up the 'suits only' playstyle heavily, and now its taken a massive hit that they haven't backed off from
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 20:56
yeah if they havn’t fixed suits...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 20:56
all the rumors so far have been correct, and XV8s only got a minor points drop
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 20:58
Eww
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 20:58
well
technically the weapons dropped in cost
the XV8s base didn't
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 20:59
Even more eww
Especially for FSE
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 21:00
one in three crisis can take iridium armor apparently, so that might help, maybe
use them as the tanker, if its cheap enough
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 21:00
hmm
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 21:01
the weapons seem to have dropped a little.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 21:01
Might have a use for my squad of heavily customized suits
Based on that old ATT pattern of suits
Forgot the dudes name
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 21:02
Burst -2
Airburst -2
Iridium is 15
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 21:02
But sniper drone fins on the sides of the head, old wraith shoulder pads
Forget what else I did to them lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 21:03
looks like no change to plasma or fusion? wah wah
they might have gotten a change to the profile for plasma though
looks like firewarriors and derivatives, stealthsuits and broadsides/riptides are the mix people will want
people might take 1 unit of XV8s but I don't see them being used mainline
not with the amount of D2 and D3 stuff flying around
March update could also change things heavily, we'll see
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 21:06
ugh
i have so many xv8s
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 21:07
esp with drones going up in price and savior having a failure chance
Gun Drone +4
MV Shield Drone +2
Savior Protocols works on a 2+
but you can manta strike drones now
so not completely useless
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 07 2018 21:44
Yay more dice rolls before your dice rolls!
:confetti_ball:
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe duct tapes his mouth back shut.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 07 2018 21:47
just be glad your shadowsword actually has a chance to damage that ta'unar now. rather than, you know, pawning the wounds off onto some nearby drones
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe makes some muffled sounds behind the duct tape.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 21:57
tbh it'll be nice to see tau again that isn't just commanders and a fuckload of drones
and also nice for people to have something else to bitch about
tekton
@tekton
Mar 07 2018 21:57
i was already going to go mostly stealth suits, a pair of ghostkeels, and fire warriors...might toss a Stormsurge or Riptide in there. Someday I was to just do 2k of Hammerheads :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 21:59
go riptide
its worth it now and viable in more builds and points values
same with the broadside
tekton
@tekton
Mar 07 2018 21:59
yeah, i know, but i like to just be stealthy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 22:03
tbh with the drops the broadside might be the better take, we'll have to see any broadside profile changes
tekton
@tekton
Mar 07 2018 22:04
they're riffle dreads, with some better range! something about that model has always made me go "meh"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 22:05
I like the new one
old ones were meh
I might pick up tau or crons to paint once I'm done with my eldar
we'll have to see
might end up being crons purely because forgebane will mean lots of spare cron models
wether my imperial backlog gets worked on or stays on the shelf is purely up to the march update
tekton
@tekton
Mar 07 2018 22:49
what else i end up doing is also going to be up to that march update...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 07 2018 22:55
still glad I got the kasrkin, just if they are front burnered or backburnered is the question
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 07 2018 23:02
kasrkin are worth it no matter what
i just didnt see the need to keep them alying around, pivoting like i did twords DK and elysians