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12th
Mar 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 01:31 UTC
Okay I got the Gloss Nuln Oil
I'll figure something out to do with it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 02:17 UTC
Also Necrons are next, by the end of March? Cool!
There are actual pages from the codex there
Come 'n' get your leaks...fresh hot Necron leaks here
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 12 2018 07:28 UTC
tesseract vault looking tasty as hell for a LoW
that many wounds sitting on a 4++?
I think GW wants to sell all those old vault/obelisk kits
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:04 UTC
TakeMyMoney.gif !!
anyone else liking the broad strokes approach I see here .. rather than just pimping one unit to stupid levels
little bit of AP ... little bit of jinking ... few more mortal wounds .... BWAHAHA who am I kidding .. MORTAL WOUNDS FOR ALL THE THINGS !
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:12 UTC
From what's shown there; the necron dex already looks way better to me than the tau dex
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:13 UTC
But, and this is what makes me happy .. no Decurion levels of cheese but also no single Guilliman / Magnus levels of single model OP (although Imotech looks tasty AF)
so hopefully I can feel good about playing the army anyway I want to without having to handicap myself
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:15 UTC
is the gate rule on thye monolith the same as it is now?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 12 2018 09:15 UTC
Curious to see if they're
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:15 UTC
pretty much yeah ... think it's slightly better
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 12 2018 09:15 UTC
*they've fixed reanimation protocols
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:15 UTC
cos it looks like it can turn any number of infantry into a single drop during deployment, and lets you dump the units out as close as >1 inch away from enemy units
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 12 2018 09:16 UTC
the only monolith change is +1 BS
bs 3 base
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:16 UTC
@WindstormSCR not seen anything yet ... but there's that 1CP thing for bringing on a unit left on the homeworld ... hopeful for a 3CP "tide of Traitors" effect that brings back a walking dead unit
ooooh lose some warriors ... bring back some flayed ones .... /grin
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 12 2018 09:17 UTC
eh
right now RP is very lackluster
waaaaay too easy for a competent opponent to render it moot
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:18 UTC
Chaos cultists have a 1CP strat to remove the last surviving models and walk the whole squad at full strength back onto the table
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:18 UTC
in some ways RP is more powerful in 8th than it is in 7th, but with the weakness of being able to wipe a unit out and negate RP entirely
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:18 UTC
hoping for a similar thing to bring back a fully dead unit of necrons ... to buff the RP thing without going back to a 7th ed FNP or Death Guard thing
weird to me how it was universally reviled in 7th .. but give it to chaos marines and suddenly it's the best thing since monomolecular blades
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 12 2018 09:19 UTC
Eh, i thing DG-esque save would be easier to balance on them than massively swingy RP
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:20 UTC
but this edition .. as seen with T'a'u' is more about the strats than the abilities
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 12 2018 09:20 UTC
it would also render the psychic defense issue mostly moot
which would be a good thing
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:21 UTC
as long as we have a CP generator method ... I think I can cope with that
Time for a gentlemans wager ? I think RP buffs will come in form of stratagems, you think a FNP style affair.... time will tell
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:26 UTC
There is a huge difference between what necrons had in 7th and what dg have in 8th
Necrons could get a 4+ reanimation, army wide with ghost arcs (which were always used) giving the ability to bring back dead warriors ontop
there is a world of difference between army wide 4+ and 5+
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:38 UTC
The 8th edition version reanimation is way better, both for the necron player and the enemy... right up to the moment the unit is wiped out entirely. But until it's entirely wiped out it has the potential to keep models alive way better than the 7th ed reanimation due to being able to roll for the dead models every turn. But as the person attacking the necrons it doesnt feel as frustrating as it did in 7th because you do actually kill models. The issue seems to be that the damage output of the necrons is on the low side (which could be due to weapon power or unit costs making it so you dont have enough stuff on the table to deal the damsge you need)
I think we can assume they will get points reductions; since every other codex has
and I think we can assume some of the weapon profiles will be imroved
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:39 UTC
it's the same mechanic though ... just debating numbers here - Necrons had a base 5+ and "Could get" 4+ with a huge tax in taking certain units in a formation, DG has a base 5+ and can get 4+ with strats and abilities ... I see no difference
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:39 UTC
so more models on the table + slightly better weapons + strats + dynasty traits etc... should up the damage output enough
ive played against and as necrons in 7th and 8th
and ive played as death guard and against death guard in 7th and 8th
necrons in 7th had exponentially better survivability in 7th than deathguard do in 8th
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:40 UTC
100% with you there ... we just need to be more killy .. and the leaks so far say that this is happening :)
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:41 UTC
The necron codex is making much more excited about playing my necrons than the Tau dex has about my Tau
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:42 UTC
I'm looking at the 1AP extra across the board and thinking "Yumm"
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:44 UTC
:)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:45 UTC
Whatever they do to Tesla Destructors though will make or break most of my choices though .. Nightscythes and Tesla Barges need to be S8 with or without AP ...
and flayer claws with some AP please
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:50 UTC
yeh
have we actually seen the reanimation rule anywhere for this codex?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:50 UTC
nope
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:50 UTC
its possible they changed it
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:50 UTC
only living metal
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 09:50 UTC
im not sure it needs it tho
but they did claim necrons would play differently
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 09:52 UTC
if they were to really want to mix it up .. it 'could' be tied to leadership again ... so having a lord or cryptek nearby to auto RP some units ... while those outside of 'Synapse' just get up on 6's
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 10:15 UTC
I hope that isn't the way it goes btw ... I like the RP the way it is .. but it needs "something" to help the turn one "Focus fire on the heavy destroyers so they never get back up again and then my other units can rampage freely around the board" alpha strike
which happens every game
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 10:18 UTC
well, no army is immune to that happening to one of their key units
the hope is that you still have enough kit to keep going
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 10:21 UTC
the problem being thus far that you don't ... 20 warriors and some immortals are not going to take down a dread, repulsor, stormtalon etc.
RP cost is factored into a lot of stuff inflating the cost ... so you really feel the pain when an Elite unit bites the dust
that said ... I did have LOTS of fun tarpitting a Lord of Skulls with scarabs while my Stalker shot chunks out of it ... didn't win for long .. but it was fun to try
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 12 2018 10:24 UTC
@alphalas, I don't think your response on #2635 is correct. The Storm doesn't have options in the BA cat, and I don't think it should.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 12 2018 10:25 UTC
@Mad-Spy yeah I actually just checked and saw it di
Didn’t*; thought it did
HOWEVER
It should have all the options
See also Rule #1
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 12 2018 10:26 UTC
Why? It can't fall back to the Index option of a unit it didn't have?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 12 2018 10:27 UTC
But the unit itself existed then
And had options
I get what you’re saying
But consistency is to give it all options because the options existed for the LSS; not that BA didn’t have access to the LSS
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 10:33 UTC
It's one of the many issues the DC has thrown up; it makes no distinction for whether you could or couldn't use a unit in the index. It just says if it had options in the index and don't exist in the codex then you can use those options. So since 8th edition has now given BA permission to use the unit, the DC allows for that unit to also be loaded up with the index options.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 12 2018 10:33 UTC
don't like it, but I suppose you're right. It'll need fixing then.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 12:59 UTC
Oh my.
I think I messed myself looking at the vault and c'tan powers and trasnscendent c'tan
That's like 75% of what I wanted out of the codex.
and -1 to hit tomb blades.
I'm in the necron version of robot heaven.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:02 UTC
Oh wow
I give it 30m til we have a pdf of that.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:02 UTC
lmao
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:03 UTC
While i'm happy the full dex is leaked, i'm kind of sad
That's super super early
As a player who wants necron food, yum ... kinda sad for GW that it got out this early though
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:04 UTC
yeah, i cant image theyre too happy right now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:05 UTC
Oh
That's a beta codex
Not that much will have changed.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:05 UTC
oh really, whats the giveaway?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:05 UTC
but ... the numbers may not be entirely accurate. Probably from one of the playtesters.
load up the vid on YT
It's in the description
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:05 UTC
oh yeah, good spot
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:06 UTC
Traits and rules are likely set in stone
costs/warscrolls may be dif though.
This is likely where the Nafta and blood of kittens leaks came from too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:06 UTC
yeah, it is
theyre all citing this guy as the source
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:07 UTC
No changes to RP or living metal it seems
in the beta dex.
still 5+, more than 1" Out, and 1 Wound per turn
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 12 2018 13:07 UTC
I'm really sad now. I'm now super excited for Necrons, two and a half weeks ahead of release, and super sad for my primary army, Tau. Such an underdelivering codex. Pity.
Yay for necrons! Loving Tomb Blades now again :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:09 UTC
Wraiths got buffed too
17pts more, but +1 Atk and +1 AP (-1 AP?)
I still hold up hope for my tau too
We didn't get a full beta dex for that so not EVERYTHING is known yet
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:17 UTC
Quantum shielding remains pretty good, just specifies mortal wounds as excluded now .. didn't think it worked on them anyways
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:18 UTC
Yea that's odd
It doesn't
as they're single instances of 1 damage
and you can't roll a 0.
Unless some people were being stupid and saying oh you did 3 mortal wounds so I rolled a 2.
but that's just people being dumb.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:20 UTC
sounds like theyre rolling FAQ answers into the rules themselves
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:20 UTC
Not that that'll stop stupid questions from being asked
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:20 UTC
the new Cryptek makes Living metal do D3 instead of 1
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:20 UTC
but yea, it seems that.
Do those around him?
or to his own
if those around him ... I may tag one along with my vault.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:21 UTC
to characters and vehicles .. so that's what it meant in the ForgeBane preview
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:21 UTC
oo
If nobody does it by the time I take lunch
I'll probably mash those screens into a PDF
I'll post it here
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:22 UTC
Tbh; they need to be as verbose as possible when explaining how stuff works
trying to simplify by restricting how much they write just complicates stuff more
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:23 UTC
Lychguard still 4++ on shields
warscythe ... was that already 2D ??
Guardian Protocols still worded like fresh hot turd...
deathmarks snipers still S4 no AP ... bleh
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:25 UTC
still no mortal wounds on 6+ ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:25 UTC
Yea, I hope that changes in the final version
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:25 UTC
yup
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:25 UTC
whelp, now that these are in the wild ...
brb
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:26 UTC
Flayed ones -Same .. still 5" move ... no AP ... 3 Attacks ? thought they were more
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:26 UTC
They were
they lost 1 attack
If they're still 21pts per or more now for some reason
they will never be taken
Also, take a gander at Oberyon and his Ghostwalk Mantle
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:27 UTC
lychguard have a stratagem for 3++ and reflect a MW on a 6
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:27 UTC
And then bask in the glory that is deep striking sword and board praetorians direclty into combat.
Er Sword and board lychguard
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:27 UTC
minor change on the Deceiver ... he can now Grand illusion D3 other models .. he doesn't need to go
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:29 UTC
I'm actually happy with that.
I used him solely for that and would love to not take him into places he doesn't need to be.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:30 UTC
Nightbringer remains the same :( no gaze of death sucking wounds back or anything clever
but C'tan know two powers and can cast 1
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:31 UTC
And there is a table of 6 of them squee
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:31 UTC
I like the one that does mortal wounds!
:)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:31 UTC
Lol
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:31 UTC
Wraiths have changed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:32 UTC
Yea, point increase, but more AP is sorely needed.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:32 UTC
AP -2
but look at Whip coils !
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:32 UTC
I didn't see that yet, at work - what's that change?
Because I love whip coils
I think they look great
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:33 UTC
can someone link where all this is
plz
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:33 UTC
they aren't a wargear that just lets you attack if dead ... they have the same profile as claws
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:34 UTC
YT video
above
Beta tester posted a scroll through of his beta dex.
Oh really? Sexy - that means I can have a pistol AND coils.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:35 UTC
yup, and avoids that whole argument over "oh you hit with whipcoils ? they don't have any AP" argument / confusion
ummm no sorry ... MAy take caster, beamer OR coils
but still .. AP-2 and 3++ and a pistol ....
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:37 UTC
ah
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:37 UTC
why is a pistol heavy D3 S4 AP-3 with MW on 6's (Trans Beamer) yet a Sniper rifle with bullets as long as my .. arm... still utter shite ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:37 UTC
Because ... fuck you.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:38 UTC
because your sniper isnt transdimensional
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:38 UTC
Wraiths still not <FLY> ... which is both good and bad I suppose
can't charge flyers
Can't be shot like flyers
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:38 UTC
could do with ripping this video
cos it may get taken down
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:38 UTC
Yea that's a shame, but I run my nightbringer with wraitsh usually
as a kinda of deathball
Who can fly
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:38 UTC
scarabs got slower 10" move
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:38 UTC
Yea james - gonna do that at lunch today if nobody does it before (please do it before me)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:39 UTC
WS 4+ and finally lost their BSS lol
BS
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:39 UTC
ive ripped an mp4 already :D
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:39 UTC
ah nice
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:40 UTC
Destroyers Gauss cannon now S6 ap -3
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:41 UTC
what is that +1S?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:41 UTC
I think so
played them yesterday .. swear they were S5
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:42 UTC
good against, uuuh... aspect warriors?
oh and death guard
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:43 UTC
Spyders almost the same .. but now the scarab hive you roll for the Scarab unit not the spyder .. the spyder still takes amortal wound .. but can blob out for multiple scarab units not just one ...
SPYDERS HAS <MONSTER> .... and <FLY> .... that has to be a mistake ... right ... 6" move fly ?
monolith now ignores penalties for moving and firing heavy weapons
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:44 UTC
whats wrong with slow flying units?
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:45 UTC
Spyders were monsters in 7th and are hovering
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:45 UTC
nowt... just caught me as weird .. didn't think Spyders flew lol
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:45 UTC
so fly makes sense
they have legs but are on a flying base
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:45 UTC
they had jink in 7th ?
Well FML TIL
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:46 UTC
So RP looks the same?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:46 UTC
yup exactly the same
and Index Xenos 1: Spyders NO Fly
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:47 UTC
They were monsterous creatures in 7th
not flying monsters
but the model it's self is flying
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:47 UTC
oh yeah, I knew the monster bit ... easiest monster hunter anyone ever got
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:47 UTC
so giving them fly now, which has less implications than flying in 7th did, makes sense
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:48 UTC
the scarab hive rule looks the same as the index one
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:48 UTC
it means they can charge flyers .. and be shot at at +1 BS by marines autocannons :(
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:48 UTC
heh
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:48 UTC
ooh yes, tomb blades will be everywhere! time to bust out the hydras
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:49 UTC
@GenWilhelm index = roll for A unit .. Codex = roll for all scarab units near a spyder
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:50 UTC
my index says "for each"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:50 UTC
yeah ur right ... I'm looking for changes where there aren't any ..
so it still sucks as a monster
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:51 UTC
maybe youre just rediscovering underperforming units ;)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:52 UTC
well, it could get a 50% price drop ... I mean .. I have three of them that have taken up residence in the old models home
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:52 UTC
I wish they'd changed ghost arks so they could carry 10 dudes + 1 or 2 additional characters
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:52 UTC
was the monolith Titanic before ?
yup nvm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:53 UTC
yeah, it was
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:53 UTC
Super Wargamer is gonna get spanked for that video I reckon
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:53 UTC
idk what even interacts with that outside of shadowsword
@skonk assuming its not some conspiracy by the GW marketing team
dons tin foil hat
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 12 2018 13:54 UTC
Tau FW flyers
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:54 UTC
aaaand there it is ... or isn't ... Tesla Destructor still S7 ...
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 13:54 UTC
He made a video a few weeks back asking people to create fake accounts to subscribe to him (when YT changed advertising policy to need 1000+ subscribers); has a habit of doing naughty things but I can't see GW letting this one slide
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:54 UTC
Yea, even as a beta codex
I can't immagine much changing from that to the release.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 13:55 UTC
yeah, every time he posted some new leak he would post his paypal at the same time. he's milking this for everything its worth
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 13:55 UTC
But, this also hurts the ability to update the cat file ahead of time
Now that I know this is beta ... fuck if I know what leaks will be "Official"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 13:59 UTC
holy smeg ... the 1CP strat for 3d3 mortal wounds from a squadron of Doomscythes
1CP to stand a character (not C'tan) back up with 1 wound
1CP to make Quantum shields 1 point better
EXPLODING Scarabs ! LOL
I'm sorry guys .. I'm loving this so bad
This is a doozy though .. my overlords Always fail to bypass invuln saves ... and now for 1CP I can ignore invuln saves !
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:03 UTC
Squadron as in ... how many of them?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:03 UTC
3
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:03 UTC
Poop
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:03 UTC
Its so much better than the Tau book :(
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:03 UTC
Now I need 1 more.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:03 UTC
and :) cos i have necrons too
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:03 UTC
same
1CP to advance Canopteks and still shoot and charge ... Wraiths with beamers everywhere !
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:04 UTC
Hmm, I'm gonna get the necron cat as ready as I can with notations on what exactly is changingt
That way when the official comes out, I can make any last minute adjustments from beta to official
hopefully be able to get the cat out by mid day saturday
rather than midnight like some others.
unless we get a leak of the full official one.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:05 UTC
Holy Crap ... 3CP and we can do the WE berzerkers fight again dance
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:06 UTC
That's ... expensive
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:06 UTC
which dynasty is that?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:06 UTC
novokh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:06 UTC
I have a feeling most necron players won't be running with more than 7 a game.
Maybe 8
Unless they're doing full gunline, then 2 batallions for 9
but surely not a brigade.
shit's too expensive for the fun stuff
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:07 UTC
3 cp is a lot but it could win you the game
is there a HQ who adds +cp ?
and is there a regain CP trat/relic ?
trait^
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:08 UTC
Holy crap guys I know no Bothans died bringing you this opinion but looks like the new Necron book is a winner
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:09 UTC
sautekh have the 5+ to regain CP trait
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 12 2018 14:10 UTC
Friggin "space skeletons"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:10 UTC
My Necrontyr friend (who is one of the best painters I know) is going to split the Forgebane box with me LOL
No @FarseerVeraenthis they are
TOMB KINGS in SPAAAAAAAAAAAACE
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe may or may not still be a little cranky about his long lost Tomb Kings army
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:11 UTC
And when I say "long lost" I mean "stolen"
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:12 UTC
defo see myself playing these again like
where as with the Tau, not that bothered
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:12 UTC
I'll be grabbing 2 forgebane boxes for my lonesome self.
It has all the toys I want :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:13 UTC
Well I knew he wanted the new Cryptek
And I want baby knights
And an Enginseer for my Guard
So why not
BABY KNIGHTS
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:14 UTC
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:14 UTC
Emprah please let them not suck
And while you're at it, could you lower the points on each knight by about 150 points? And just to show I'm not selfishly asking for myself could you also lower the price of a Wraightknight and the suncannon to?
Oh, and could I please have a pony?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:17 UTC
lets have razorwings back at their original cost, too. that'll be fun!
oh an malefic lords could do with a price drop. about 30pts sounds good to me
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 12 2018 14:18 UTC
:D
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:19 UTC
malefic lords legit could do with a reduction
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:19 UTC
whoops, im supposed to be working, rather than shitposting. damn you, Joe!
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:19 UTC
GW nerfed them cos of smite spam... while also nerfing smite
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe takes a bow
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:19 UTC
only 1 of those changes was needed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:19 UTC
Um, no
Malefic Lords could also turn into a mini daemon prince
Where they are points-wise right now is probably just about right
But I ask all of you
When was the last time you saw a knight on the table outside a narrative/apoc game?
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:21 UTC
a daemon prince with 4 wounds and toughness 4
it gets no harder to kill
just becomes more hitty
on a unit you likely kept the hell away from combat
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:22 UTC
dont forget the 4++. that shit was bonkers
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:22 UTC
With a 4++
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:22 UTC
The images above are points costs for Necrons BTW ... Heavy Destroyer now 57 points
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:22 UTC
This ^^^^^
They were cheaper and better in every way than Primaris Psykers. So, no, I think they're fine where they are.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:23 UTC
its odd. some units they gave a very light slap on the wrist, and others they blam'd right into unplayable territory
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:23 UTC
Technically they don't even have a model.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:24 UTC
they do
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:24 UTC
Ummm Guys ... Guys GUYS .... Lychguard and Deathmarks are TROOPS !!
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:24 UTC
they have a model in the same way loads of FW units have models
they just dont brand the models directly as such
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:24 UTC
Pretty much the wisdom is, if you find an exploitable model/unit...wait...GW will nerf it so hard you'll wish you hadn't bought the models in the first place
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:25 UTC
i still find it funny that they nerfed conscripts in 4 different ways
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe eyes his commissar sitting on the shelf, wondering what they did wrong
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 14:25 UTC
if you search forgeworld's site for maelific lord, it finds a model, same for Necrosius, scabeiathrax etc
when the view the model they just label em as nurgle sorcerer or great unclean one
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:26 UTC
Yes, yes. As a gigantic fan of Siege of Vraks, they will always be renegade psykers to me
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:26 UTC
@sk_Father_Price_twitter that means easy CP and relevant obsec :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:29 UTC
Wait what, DM/LG troops?!
I really am in robot heaven.
And now my soon to be 20 Lychguard will have their use :)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:32 UTC
wraiths are 64 with coild now tho
coils
@GenWilhelm hell yeah ... Deathmarks intercepting onto objectives with a purpose
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:34 UTC
Yea, I knew wraiths were getting a bump in points
that's fine, worth it for more ap
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:34 UTC
and a stratagem to deepstrike LG onto the board as well
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:34 UTC
Well shit, this means I need another immortals box
so I can get 5 more DM
Or i'll just pilfer sprues from forgebane/ebay
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:35 UTC
theyre elites on the datasheets, but troops in the points section?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:36 UTC
oh weird .... good spot ... well .. hoping for the best
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:36 UTC
Hrmm. Beta is beta. I hope they're troops.
Then we'd have a troop of every type. Gunline, Assault Shooting, Sniper, and Melee.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:37 UTC
nothing is certain; everything is permitted
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:37 UTC
I've all but forgotten that series after black flag.
3 finished Desmond's story, and AC for me. Then black flag was ... just plain fun.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:38 UTC
huh
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:38 UTC
yeah, i lost interest after 2
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:38 UTC
What you talkin bout @Kohato
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:38 UTC
played a bit of brotherhood, but nothing after that
assassins creed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:38 UTC
Aaaaah
For a moment there I thought you meant Black Flag as in Henry Rollins's punk band
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:40 UTC
Haha
GenWilhelm
@GenWilhelm
09:37
nothing is certain; everything is permitted
The Creed of the Assassins.
One might say, the Assassin's Creed.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:41 UTC
Screw trying to be an assassin .. I wanna just sail my ship, sing some shanties and blow up the British !
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:41 UTC
Yep. That's about what black flag was.
And why I really enjoy Sea of thieves.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:42 UTC
and now I need to re-install it .. damn you I've been clean for months
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 14:43 UTC
Get Sea of Thieves!
out in like a week
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:44 UTC
Now I think you're talking about Under the Black Flag
(a well-done look at piracy without the romanticism usually associated with the subject)
Or
Black Sails -- which was fantastic.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 14:57 UTC
Missed one other thing on Destroyers sorry .. Gauss Cannon is now Heavy 3 with S6 ... up from heavy 2
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 14:58 UTC
Okay, so
....this is the kinda dumb shit I'm talking about with Tryhard Tau
Screenshot_20180312-095202.png
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 14:59 UTC
yes. aux-support is, in fact, a detachment
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:00 UTC
well ... I guess ... but you lose command points .. which you need to spend to get the most out of a commander ? unless I'm mistaken
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:00 UTC
Counting towards your 3 detachment limit.
.....
You guys are missing the point
"Mah cheese, Ah've gots ta have mah cheese."
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:01 UTC
but now it's misplaced cheese for the sake of it .. this guy heard about commanders from a friend, he knows he needs them but has no idea why or what for
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:01 UTC
The Tauhards are coming out in droves, as predicted
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:01 UTC
hardly a threat
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 15:01 UTC
ah no, 3 detachments is only the guideline (ie. That Guy can safely ignore it)
tbf, i cant talk. i came up with a fluffy catachan list that needed 5 detachments to work
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:05 UTC
There is no 3 detachment limit
oh you said that already :)
i was scrolled up a bit without realising
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:05 UTC
In matched play -- at every event I'm aware of -- yes, there is a 3 detachment limit
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 15:06 UTC
thats what i keep saying, but everyone tells me i'm wrong, so /shrug
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:06 UTC
I can't wait for Joe to get his first match versus one of these guys .. it's going to be glorious
but expensive in beer &/or therapy
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:07 UTC
I'm going to get a rubber stamp made with the word TAUHARD on it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 15:08 UTC
nah, just take some bread sticks to dip into their warm gooey centre
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:08 UTC
Its because there is not RULE that limits detachments
but most events do use the suggested limits
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:08 UTC
"Come over here for a second, please?" -player leans over- "Hey why are you inking that rubber stamp?" -STAMPS FOREHEAD- "Oh, no reason..." -casually continues game-
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:08 UTC
I just get peeved when people claim its a rule
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 15:09 UTC
yeah, im the same @skonk, but even then people tell me that a lot of events dont enforce such a rule
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:09 UTC
I also find it a bit annoyed that everyone casually ignores the fact that the rules only permit Fly units to ignore terrain in the MOVEMENT PHASE
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 15:10 UTC
eeeh, that one i see as ambiguous
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:10 UTC
how so?
its in the section named Movement Phase
if you can use that in any phase then you can use all the other rules in that section in any phase
so when you pile in you can advance
etc
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:11 UTC
There is no 3 detachment limit in matched play
It's a suggestion in the rules.
Most events use that as hard rule though.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:12 UTC
If by "most" you mean "every event known", then yes.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:12 UTC
i dont think ive ever built a list with more than 3 detachments; in most armies is actually not easy to even hit 3
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:12 UTC
@skonk I'd like to see an FAQ on that fly moving rule ... most of my assaulty stuff has jump packs or such
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:12 UTC
yeh I think I emailed GW about the Fly thing
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:13 UTC
and my tables all have terrain that is 6 inches high with troops on top
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:13 UTC
I even had a conversation with a GW guy on stream about it where he claimed it worked in any phase but thats really not what the rules say
so even GW ignore the limitation to where fly can be used
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:13 UTC
yeah... I'd like it to be like this
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:13 UTC
So back in the day you couldn't use jump packs for assaulting because the fluff justification was they jumped in close, but ran the charge
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:13 UTC
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:13 UTC
ive said before but you cant guess GW's intentions
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:14 UTC
for charges
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:14 UTC
in 7th people tended to assume if you had a jump pack you ignored all or some of the penalties for charging units in cover for example
but the FAQ came out and said no, you take ALL the penalties
so in 7th you gain almost no benefit from jump other than rerolls
so in 8th i could totally see the intention being for it to only work in the movement phase
cos thats like how it worked in 7th
but i could also see it being intended to work everywhere; but to me the rules are pretty clear now that its listed in the movement phase section so thats where it works
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:15 UTC
7th c'tan and wraiths needed the FAQ to ignore the penalties for charges too but I think they ended up taking it
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:15 UTC
unless a rule said "like in the movement phase"
but currently very few things use the "like in the " wording
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:15 UTC
#2 is what is used for normal movement. #1 is used for things that ignore terrain (C'tans)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:15 UTC
8th really is very simple ... but amazingly contradictory and complex at the same time
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:16 UTC
the attempt to simplify it made it more complex because they leave too much open to interpretation
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:16 UTC
as for <fly> fuck if I know
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 15:16 UTC
fly just moves as though the terrain is not there - ie. 1
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:16 UTC

the attempt to simplify it made it more complex because they leave too much open to interpretation

Truth

James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:17 UTC
if you land on terrain with fly you measure diagnally tho
you have to take vertical into account if the move ends higher/lower than where it started
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 15:17 UTC
yeah, you just measure the straight line from start to finish, rather than following the terrain
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:17 UTC
yeh
ive seen people play it wrongly, in a variety of ways tho
heres another interesting one, if i can explain it correctly
so, the core rules let any model move into, over, through terrain
the advanced rules tweak ruins, but the way they word it is borked
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:18 UTC
yarp
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:18 UTC
because it doesnt bad anything from going through the ruins
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:19 UTC
also #2 is 18"
not 15"
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:19 UTC
it just says its assumed infantry can move freely "without penalty"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:19 UTC
That graphic irks me.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:19 UTC
but there is no penalty specified
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:19 UTC
no, you can move through unimpeded
@Kohato sorry ... I was at work trying to make a point and paint was all I had
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:19 UTC
if you read the core and the advanced rules carefully....
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:19 UTC
advancing and stuff is slowed .. not movement
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:20 UTC
it ends up being possible to for example, have a unit of bikes ride into a ruin, up the ruin walls, down the other side and back on to the floor
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:20 UTC
yup, you just can't stop
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:20 UTC
as long as the start and end of the move is not on an upper floor
tis very jenky
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:21 UTC
here's one then ...
find me somewhere where I can't attack a model on the opposite side of a .99" wall if both models are touching wall adjacent
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:22 UTC
i think you can attack through it if you get within an inch yeh
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:22 UTC
i.e. within an inch of each other
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 15:22 UTC
you can. thats perfectly legal
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:22 UTC
Those are outliers though
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:22 UTC
i know this is silly, but nothing really prevents you from laying a model down on its side so the base can get within an inch of a model in the floor above lol
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:22 UTC
yup thought so .... equivalent of 1 meter thick adamtite I can stick my rusty guardsman spork through
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:23 UTC
or laying a model on its side to extend the range of an aura to units higher in a ruin
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 15:23 UTC
something something abstraction of reality
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:23 UTC
did they ever FAQ monsters and kinghts fighting infantry on top of ruins ?
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:24 UTC
no
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:24 UTC
Nope
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:24 UTC
but again, silly as it sounds, you can just not put them on bases
and then you use the model to measure
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:24 UTC
Hey at least we don't have to deal with "Bases don't matter, measure model to model" like AoS
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:24 UTC
or lay a knight on its side
so its base has height rather than depth/width
i know most folk would tell you to fuck off :)
but i dont see the rules that would prevent it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:25 UTC
GTFO is more like it LOL
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:25 UTC
btw
does the 8th rule set prevent 1 unit from capturing multiple objectives?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:26 UTC
Or kinda like back in 5th, when Jaws of the World Wolf came out
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:26 UTC
i dont think ive seen anything to say you cant
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:26 UTC
that I think I saw somewhere .. possibly DC or FAQ
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 12 2018 15:26 UTC
no, I'm pretty sure that's explicitly allowed by one of the FAQs.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:26 UTC
lol ... I thought the opposite
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:26 UTC
yeh i was under the impression that you could in 8th but i cant remember if id read it officially
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:26 UTC
I told people I was going to start carrying a 2 foot long crowbar -- as my "24 inch line that made problems disappear"
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:28 UTC
this been posted here yet?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:30 UTC
Ooo nice
no we've been gushing over crons
That underground drop pod looks neat.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:32 UTC
looks like admech can give the little knights canticles
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:32 UTC
Disappointing that the only weapons are the overgrown meltagun and the baby reaper chainsword
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:32 UTC
spose it comes down to how much they cost in points
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:33 UTC
Knights can deal with armor handily. It's dealing with hordes where the problem starts
Well that, and just getting shot off the table in an alpha strike
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:33 UTC
But, it lets you put the gattling cannons on knights
and leave melta on these 14" movement beasts
14" movement, 15" melta range.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:34 UTC
True
T7 though
And awful invul
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:34 UTC
14 inch move means turn 1 charges are doable
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:34 UTC
:-1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:34 UTC
Exactly.
It'll depend on their points.
I think they are rather balanced statwise. They have a specific purpose.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:34 UTC
I can reliably murder Magnus or Morty with 1 turn of shooting , and they have 4++
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:35 UTC
Do I need 4 of them? Probably not, I may end up selling the 4th
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:42 UTC
Eh. It'll be neat to see how they play. And I loveses me some knights
I'd love them more if they were competitive
Hm. But then I remember that early 8th edition GT I played in with 3 knights and Celestine. Maybe them being not super-competitive is a good thing.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:49 UTC
Just wanted to say, I'm happy for my metal brothers. Good for you guys.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 15:49 UTC
I'll pick up a box but its mainly for the new cryptek; though i can use the other necron models too
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe returns to his lonely vigil, awaiting the coming of The Day of Plastic Sisters, and/or The Wolftime.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:50 UTC
Go wake Bjorn up and ask for a story :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 15:51 UTC
He just says, "Wake me with Russ returns."
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:51 UTC
not "Paint me red and point me at the enemy!" ? ... I love that tale
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 15:52 UTC
As in, he wants to be a BA?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 15:53 UTC
there;s a 1d4chan one where he gets stolen by the Blood Ravens or such ... he says basically don't ask me a bout Russ, I won't ask about the dodgy red paint job and show me to battle
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:00 UTC
was this one of you guys ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:03 UTC
Not me
But saves me screencap work
thanks :)
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:04 UTC
I really do think someone is going to get it in the butt for leaking all this lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:04 UTC
Beta or no
This is far earlier than TS was
Or deamons
and each of those I thought was really early
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:05 UTC
that was @skonk buying it a couple days before release, wasnt it?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:05 UTC
he got special edition too ...
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:06 UTC
I got the TS dex on a Wednesday and photo'd it for u lot
but ive done that for any that i got early since all the end of 7th edition chaos books
its why i dick about in here; i dont do cats like you lot but i try to get you rules early when i can
i should have the Tau dex this wednesday btw
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:08 UTC
Noice
know a local GW that you pilfer a copy out?
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:08 UTC
mu local shop tends to get stuff on wed and will sell it early to people they trust
my^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:08 UTC
that's always great
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:08 UTC
then i take photos, make a quick PDF and link it here but i dont pass it out beyond that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:09 UTC
It's for the greater good
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:09 UTC
and so far none of my photos have made it to the wider public after putting them in here
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 16:09 UTC
That's because I'd like to think no one here is stupid
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:09 UTC
:)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 16:10 UTC
I got a C&D letter from GW for my Dropbox once
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:10 UTC
Hmmmm ... BRB deleting those screen shots from my imgur
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 16:10 UTC
So I deleted it and moved to Box
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:10 UTC
Hah, that's funny
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:10 UTC
I think @alphalas had his dropbox flagged once too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:10 UTC
A C&D for a personal dropbox
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 16:10 UTC
And only share that shiz with a trusted few with understanding that if it gets shared outside The Circle there will be blood.
I mean....it was shared
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:11 UTC
Thing is, any army I actually play I will always buy the codex
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 16:11 UTC
And a friend (that should have known better) shared it to a gawddamned FB group
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:11 UTC
If they go that route, they better send me C&Ds for loaning out my hardback
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:11 UTC
but i generally dont buy both the hard copy and digital
i have sometimes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:12 UTC
Having digital is nice, but I like the feel of hardback
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:12 UTC
but usually i buy the hard copy and download the digital from mega or somewhere
if GW put discount codes in the hard copy books so you could get the digital's a little cheaper id buy them
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:12 UTC
hell yeah
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:12 UTC
but i think its a bit much to pay full price for the same content multiple times
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 16:12 UTC
This ^^^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:15 UTC
Did someone say DM's don't do mortals on 6s"
?
They still do
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:15 UTC
I asked if they did but i think people said yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:15 UTC
ahh
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:15 UTC
i know some snipers dont do mortals but usually its cos they have increased range or whatever
couldnt remember if the necron ones did or not
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:16 UTC
yea, Dm's do mortals in addition to the normal (pitiful) damage.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:16 UTC
they do yeah .. same profile as SM snipers
S4 0AP
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:16 UTC
Interesting
Powers of the c'tan changed slightly
They're used at the end of movement
Rather than durring shooting.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:17 UTC
will help prevent confusion as to whether they count as shooting attacks i guess
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:17 UTC
oooh ... so unless stated don't follow the shooting at characters restriction
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:17 UTC
I imagine that's the reason
Also - they never did
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:17 UTC
i dont think they ever did follow those
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:17 UTC
as they were never shooting attacks.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:17 UTC
they're basically necron psychic powers
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:17 UTC
no but .. avoids confusion
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:18 UTC
It also can prevent enemy strategems.
Like night lords
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:18 UTC
and I know one of them at least ... I think the thunderbolt one ... can't target a character .. but can hit one if it's close to the target
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:18 UTC
If they're targeted in the shooting phase, they can give themselves +SV I think
Now they're targeted in the movement phase.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:19 UTC
its a shame none of the powers ignore saves completely
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:19 UTC
Not a bad move i gues; if you did em in the psychic phase then stuff like custodes ignoring mortal wounds in the psychic phase would work
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:19 UTC
I still think the best wraith gear will be pistols.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:19 UTC
in the shooting phase stuff like you described
in the movement phase makes them pretty unqiue
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:19 UTC
yup
CP to advance them shoot AND charge
1CP
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:20 UTC
yup, then shoot again if what you charged doesn't die in 2 fight phases.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:20 UTC
6 wraiths with pistoles and shiz
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:20 UTC
see it more like 1CP for an extra d6" of movement
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:20 UTC
yup
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:20 UTC
Unless
you take the tomb world
to auto go 6
and ignore terrain
because ... that's just fun
I mean they ignore terrain anyway
but auto 6 advance
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:21 UTC
so petential 30" threat
that's better than stealers !
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:21 UTC
There's some deadly combos here
Lmao, I just got to the scarabs.
I will 100% be charging stormravens with scarabs.
Wounds on 5s bitches.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:22 UTC
can scarabs fly?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:22 UTC
yes!
That's amazing.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:22 UTC
as can spyders
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:22 UTC
+1 for bringing hydras
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:22 UTC
(sorry I know we did this already)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:23 UTC
Yea, we did this already
i'm just at work, and slow
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:23 UTC
kinda giddy, glad I'm not driving
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:24 UTC
the wording on the spyder for the scarab thing is weird
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:24 UTC
yea i'm reading that now
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:24 UTC
roll a d6 for each unit within 6 inch but "on a 1 one of the units..."
so...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:24 UTC
one of the spyders
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:24 UTC
lets say there are 3 units in range
you roll 3 d6
and roll 2 1's
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:25 UTC
I don't think you do
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:25 UTC
and a 4
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:25 UTC
yup that's 2 MW
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:25 UTC
yeh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:25 UTC
You can only roll once per scarab unit it seems
no matter how many spyders are within range.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:25 UTC
once per scarab unit .. but only one spyder
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:25 UTC
no but its 1 dice per unit of scarabs
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:25 UTC
yus
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:25 UTC
so you could potentially add models to every unit in range
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:26 UTC
Yea
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:26 UTC
so 3 scarab units 1 spyder .. posiible 3MW
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:26 UTC
but it looks like you could chose to fill or mw the same unit multiple times?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:26 UTC
Interesting change.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:26 UTC
but 2 spyders and you can choose which takes the hits
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:26 UTC
Yea, you can allocate the MWs as you choose.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:26 UTC
and Spyders are down to like 60 points
base
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:26 UTC
that's ... interesting
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:26 UTC
like lets say of the 3 units of scarabs
1 unit is on 1 model
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:26 UTC
I may need to grab another spyder.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:27 UTC
the other 2 units are 1 off being full
and you roll 2+ on all 3 dice
you could use all 3 rolls to add models to the same unit?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:27 UTC
No
A dice is rolled for each scarab unit
not each spyder unit
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:27 UTC
im saying each scarab unit
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 16:27 UTC
this
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:27 UTC
in my scenario there was only ever 1 spyder
1 psyder, 3 scarab units
all 3 in range of the psyder
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:28 UTC
Yea I get it, I see your question in context now
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:28 UTC
you roll a d6 for each unit in range, so 3 dice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:28 UTC
No
I'd say each roll is a separate instance
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:28 UTC
it doesnt say that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:28 UTC
"Return a scarb to the depleted unit"
Meaning the unit you rolled for
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:28 UTC
it says "on a 2+ ONE OF THOSE UNIUTS"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:29 UTC
no
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:29 UTC
its worded in a way that purposly seperates the roll from the unit you rolled it for
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:29 UTC
"On a 2+ one of those canoptek spyders units within 6" of the unit being rolld for unleashes reinforcements:"
Meaning the scarab rolls are separate.
At least that's how I take it
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:29 UTC
actually its more odd
you roll for a unit, but it says a unit within 6 inches of the unit you rolled for...
uh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:30 UTC
On a 1, any spyder unit within 6" of the scarab being rolled for will take a MW
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:30 UTC
oh fuck
yeh im reading it wrong
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:30 UTC
on a 2+, any spyder unit within 6" of the scarab being rolled for unleashes a new scarab base to the depleted unit
Is how i'm understanding it
so it's a buff and a cautionary nerf at the same time. One spyder can replenish multiple scarab units
but also take multiple MWs
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:31 UTC
how is this different to the index?
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:31 UTC
not sure if it is, not played the crons much in 8th
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:32 UTC
Oh shit, it's not
wow, i've played it wrong entirely all 8th lol
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:32 UTC
im still not clear on how this works, the wording is shite
im still not sure if regardless of how many dice you roll, whether you can only heal up 1 unit or 1 unit for every dice you rolled a 2+ on and if its that if the same unit can be healed by more than once of those 2+ rolled dice
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:33 UTC
each scarab unit that is below starting strength and within 6" of any spyders rolls a d6. on a 1, one of the spyders takes a MW, on a 2+ the scarab unit gets a model back
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:33 UTC
Looks like hovering may have been changed too. Now you measure to hull or base, whichever is closer.
wasn't that only hull before?
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:34 UTC
cos it just says "a" unit of scrabs
it doesnt say "the" unit, as in the one you rolled for
it reads to me like if you rolled 3 dice for 3 units of scarabs and all rolled a 2+, you could heal the same unit thrice, 1 unit twice and 1 unit once, or each of the 3 units once each
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:35 UTC
Gonna side on the no for that interpretation
"Return a scarab swarm to <the> depleted unit"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:36 UTC
"on a 2+ one of those spyders within 6" of the unit being rolled for..."
implying the rolls happen separately for each unit of scarabs
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:37 UTC
but the next bit says it can heal A scrab unit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:37 UTC
<the>
Return <a> canpotek scarab swarm to <the> depleted unit.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:38 UTC
ah
thats covered up by a fecking logo in the image im looking at
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:40 UTC
Hmm, Obelisk and Monolith did not get a 4++
I'm saddened by that.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 16:41 UTC
pony.jpg
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:41 UTC
Oh no. You don't understand.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:41 UTC
grav pulse on the obelisk could be brutal vs some armies
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 16:41 UTC
That's reserved for Primarchs, evidently
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:41 UTC
I have my pony.
I vastly prefer to run a vault.
which DID get a 4++ :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 16:41 UTC
:)
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:42 UTC
altho id prefer it to have been 1 mortal wound on a d6 roll of 4+ or something
bit more predictable then
reliable^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:43 UTC
True, but 18" range on an already 8" diameter model
that's a ginormous range (not that that changed, it has always been a gigantor range)
Oh. There it is.
That's why quantium now specifies mortal wounds are excluded.
1CP: Subtract 1 from quantium shielding rolls.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:45 UTC
i dont think it ever worked against mortals tho
cos they are singular damage
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:45 UTC
Right, but with this
you can go under 1.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:45 UTC
ah
oh yeh
that makes sense
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:45 UTC
That's why they specify now I would guess.
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:46 UTC
i suppose if someone nails you with like 30 single damage shots then 1cp to let your rolls of 1 save a few of em is quite nice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:46 UTC
Oh good god, exploding scarabs is only 1 cp?
I will be abusing the ever loving piss out of that I think
Also, it seems adaptive subroutines went down to 1cp
... that's awesome
oh nevermind. "Repair Subroutines" is what I was thinking ov
Oh - skonk, there you go
1CP - improve gravity pulse to 4+
rather than 6+
Question for people that have been doing these new codexes.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:51 UTC
Voidreaper replaces a voidscythe or warscythe - warscythe obviously being cheaper.
I'm planning on making voidreaper cost what a warscythe does - is that in lines with others' thoughts?
Oh ew. ew ew ew ew. GW y u do dis.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:54 UTC
ive just been putting all the relics in one group, and modifying the min constraint of any required wargear
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:54 UTC
"The first time the bearer is slain, roll a D6. On a 4+ set the bearer up again at the end of the phase, as close as possible to its previous position..."
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:54 UTC
oh nice, with the 4+ thats very nasty vs stuff like a heavily tau battle suit list or elves with fly bikes and transport n shit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:54 UTC
That is going to cause so many questions of "Does this cost reinforcement points"
The intent is no - almost 99% guaranteed.
but it isn't "Instead of being slain" like guilliman or celestine
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 16:55 UTC
its not increasing the number of units you have so i think its a defo no
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:56 UTC
what about the stratagem, does that cost points too?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:57 UTC
yup, same deal
He wasn't prevented from dying
he is being set up again
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:57 UTC
RIP fun toys
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:57 UTC
and as per Matched Play rules, fresh unit being set up costs points.
Is the intent to be free? 99% yes.
Will there be debate and question? 100% yes.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:58 UTC
but this is a firmly NO FUN ALLOWED game
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:58 UTC
Will I play it as free and flip tables at people who claim otherwise? Yep.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 12 2018 16:59 UTC
lets go with the epic method of faqs and say "this should be talked about in your 5 minute pre-game discussion"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 16:59 UTC
hah. 5 minutes.
"Are you going to make me pay points and CP for a chance at character resurrection?"
"Yes."
"Ok fuck off, bye."
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:00 UTC
On the MW vs QS thing, thought a dice can't be modified below 1.. So the strat can't help
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:00 UTC
ohh good point.
Then just changed for clarity I suppose.
Ok, I'm very very overall impressed with the stuff in the beta dex. I can't wait :)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:03 UTC
Me too m8
I've said it all over, the broad strokes little changes make it awesomeness
And the options to play a few different ways will keep opponents guessing... Rather than just focus stuff to death in case it comes back
Still no sign of the changes to RP if any
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:06 UTC
There aren't in the beta.
If you scroll way the fuck up, the start of the video shows RP and living metal.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:06 UTC
Oh missed that thought it started on stormys stats page
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:07 UTC
And I watched the whole damn video looking for obvious changes too lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:07 UTC
So you don't have to scroll up for days :package:
Hahah
yea, right at the start for like 2 seconds, then he scrolls down
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:07 UTC
Luv u man thx
And I still have no idea which dynastic code to choose damn
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:09 UTC
I'm torn. Mephrit is sexy. real sexy.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:09 UTC
That the ap1 one?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:09 UTC
yea
Put that on tesla-immortals that are buffed by an overlord.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:10 UTC
Me too, soooo much tesla
And 1cp to add mwbd 2 times
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:10 UTC
Different units
but yea, one overlord w/ 2 units of 10 immortals.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:11 UTC
Yeah.. More immortals... I need more... Mooore
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:11 UTC
Luckily, Forgebane has 10
and 3 wraiths
*5 immortals
and 5 prateorean/lychguard :)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:12 UTC
I reckon the lyche get modded into immortals.. Got some guns in my bits box from deathmarks
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:13 UTC
Oh. Oh oh oh. I missed that.
Doomsday ark's cannon. D6 shots up from D3.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:13 UTC
Whit..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:13 UTC
On both low and high power profiles.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:13 UTC
On low power
Eeep
Noice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:14 UTC
Well, i'm never leaving those out of my list again.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:14 UTC
Was worth all those magnets afterall
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:14 UTC
Ugh, don't remind me.
I did 2 of those.
Never fucking again.
the first one I even magnetized the gauss flayers
so they'd be the proper orientation
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:15 UTC
Yikes... All the arrays too?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:15 UTC
The second one I said fuck it and left them in there.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:15 UTC
Lol back when we were keen.. Met
Me too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:15 UTC
I'm likely going to glue the ones I magnetized in place
so I only have to deal with the sleeping boys
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:16 UTC
Yeah, never use 2 ghost arks now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:16 UTC
I would if I did pure gunline.
20 man warrior units would never fucking die.
cryptek, ghost ark ... 2 instances of reanimation on a 4+ every turn.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:16 UTC
Poo oh check if the GA got open topped will ya
On mobile or would
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:17 UTC
Is that a keyword?
If so, no
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:17 UTC
Ack
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:17 UTC
Vehicles, Transport, Fly, Ghost Ark
Still holds 10 infantry, which must be characters or warriors, and not destroyer lords
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:17 UTC
Oh well can't have it all
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:18 UTC
It makes sense fluff wise ...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:18 UTC
They specified no destroyer Lord lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:18 UTC
I mean ... they're deactivated.
how would they shoot.
Yea, I still never understood how destroyers were infantry ... they're like centaurs.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:18 UTC
Yarp .. At the risk of sounding like a tau hard
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:18 UTC
Of the robot world.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 12 2018 17:19 UTC
It's still a warrior glued to a flying beetle. Infantry at heart
Just no legs lt. Dan
Which poor bugger gets Necrons Cat? LOL
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:22 UTC
?
Are you asking who maintains it? Me lol.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:36 UTC
1) I also missed wraiths being able to fall back and shoot/charge. That makes it less of a clear choice ... that beamer looks sexy.
2) Reddit is shitting on the changes, and I love it. It's pretty clear most of them have never played necrons in any way other than across the table from them.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 17:37 UTC
@Kohato Well ... bring out the TOMB KINGS IN .... SPAAAAAAACCEEEEEE .... I've got a nice force of Nilakh Dynasty painted up ... any indication of better anti-psyker than previous?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:39 UTC
WL trait to let you deny as a psyker
otherwise, just the gloom prism.
But spyders are cheaper.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 17:39 UTC
Bleaurgh ... just a WL trait ... cheap spiders are good.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:39 UTC
So, it wouldn't be the worst idea to take 2/3 just for denial
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 17:39 UTC
I suppose I should actually pick more up.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:39 UTC
hide them in ruins and forget about them
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 17:39 UTC
And have them send out exploding scarabs?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:39 UTC
Awww.
You read my mind.,
Oh, did my 20pt base just half your captain's wound total?
what a shame.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 17:40 UTC
NecronNOMNOMNOMicon.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:41 UTC
I'm unreasonably happy about exploding scarabs.
I regularly use CP as admech to force things to explode.
I save 1 CP for my vault every game to make sure it explodes.
This is ... like right up my alley and I love it.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 17:41 UTC
I do that too sometimes
Especially when I was playing Knights
I killed Ghazzy more than a few times with an explosion after he charged in
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:42 UTC
sadly (though ... fairly) you can't force a questor mechanicus knight to explode :(
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 17:44 UTC
Sure you can. Battle Plan: Roll Sixes!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:45 UTC
So you're saying use omnisiah blessed and specifically engineered and totally not weighted dice specifically for exploding rolls?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 17:45 UTC
Exactly that, yes. :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:46 UTC
You. I like you.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 17:46 UTC
Wait ... you can't add 'Overcharged Prototype Reactor' as a Wargear option? Titanfall has been lying to me all this time! ;-)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:47 UTC
I mean ... we run BS.
We can make whatever we want.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 17:48 UTC
Now if it's legal or not...that's a different question. :)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 17:48 UTC
So it's not ... quite ... tournament ... legal ...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:48 UTC
I believe @amis92 has made it clear that anything that "could be" legal can be included.
so ... fair game?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 17:48 UTC
I prefer to call it the "I'm Going, And I'm Taking You With Me" button
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 17:48 UTC
I don't see it anywhere in the index that they are prohibited from taking it.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 17:49 UTC
it's a "Special Option"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 12 2018 19:14 UTC
The Necrons are the hated foe of the Eldar... I will say no more, especially since my gitter app has packed in and finding tags is a nig
Nightmare
But I do now know how people felt when there was a lot of Eldar chat in here :wonk:
:wink:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 19:15 UTC
....what's crazy is I was just told I should play Necrons if I was a truly dedicated elf-hater LOL
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 12 2018 19:15 UTC
Hahaha!
Yeah, well, they're OP so that's that
:tongue:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 12 2018 19:19 UTC
You really should joe lol
Better yet, spruecrons lol
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 19:22 UTC
Don't knock the Spruecrons ...
GW Provides you with some in every box of models they build. Even the AoS ones ...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 12 2018 19:23 UTC
I love the spruecrons lol
Joe doesn’t lol
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 19:24 UTC
He just hasn't found the build instructions.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 12 2018 19:32 UTC
@CrusherJoe don’t you just love spruecrons? lol
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 19:57 UTC
“Well ... it’s all GW parts ....” snicker
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe murders @alphalas in his sleep...with a piece of gray plastic sprue.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 12 2018 20:23 UTC
I'm telling myself I'm buying the Forgebane box to give away the Necron part...but maybe I should just buy two boxes...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 12 2018 20:23 UTC
@CrusherJoe If i ever make it down to one of your tourneys i’m bringing spruecrons :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 20:24 UTC
You'll be so sad when you're not allowed to play them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 20:25 UTC
Then he'll make a stink
"They're GW Plastic"
"You're all just plastic racist!"
"You don't respect my creative mind!"
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe is kinda a dick about hobby requirements in GTs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 12 2018 20:26 UTC
Hey, i'm sure Jon will paint them to tabletop standard.
I'd love to see that. Like absofuckinglutely gorgeous bases.
and 3 color painted sprucrons.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 12 2018 20:34 UTC
People will laugh almost as much as when they see my grey knights hit the table; almost
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 12 2018 21:05 UTC
@tekton I'd be delighted to take the Necron parts off your hands ...
@Kohato What would be even more amusing is spruecons on the GW Sector Imperialis bases ... (It's not quite as good as those Tau folks who just paint up the base and say that their Stealth Suit has the camo activated ... )
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 21:24 UTC
You know it's okay to kill those people, right?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 12 2018 21:31 UTC
@CrusherJoe its a sad day when I look at WKs as a way to weaken my eldar lists for fun games instead of as a decent choice
IKs are in much the same place
those warglaives look interesting, but are probably going to be in the 260 range knowing GW
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 12 2018 21:35 UTC
They should be about 150+weapons
But they won't
James
@skonk
Mar 12 2018 23:59 UTC
I wish I didn't have this nagging doubt that the folk posting as BSDataAnon never come back and read the replies they get.....
or they come back and don't know how to find closed issues