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20th
Mar 2018
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:00
yay blame amis edition.. we can all cheat now^^
some necron player here with a gw gauss pylon? i just played against a 3d printed one and compared to the gw pictures it seemed...well...huge!?^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 00:05
The pylon is huge.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 00:10
...don't tempt me @Kohato
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 00:15
Sentry Pylons are smaller
if that's what you were looking at
Haha I know.
I want one
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:16
ok thats it. neither ne necron or me were sure from the pics
thx
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 00:16
Yep. If it was gigantor and had a base like that
It was legit size
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:17
i cant tell you guys how glad i was to roll the 6 to get first round^^
at least a gun that size gives you a proper feeling about what is gonna happen xD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 00:18
Was this a friendly game?
The fucker has Macro weapons
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:21
well i think friendly is up to debate^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 00:21
I mean, you bring that to kill legio titanicus
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:22
well he annoyed me with some lists, so i brought a stormsurge on a 1000 game last time to pay him back. i think that mosnter was intended to keep me more humble^^
the biggest i got was a riptide and 2 broadsides so it wouldnt be that bad if i hadnt first round. real problem for necron that you cant split fire but still..that was a unpleasant surprise
but yes..fielding this huge thing on 1850 felt a little like overkill
went down surprisingly fast though i had to take the 3cp stratagem to be sure
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:30
big units aren't very good usually in 8th unless they have damage mitigation or a decent invuln
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:32
he knew he plays against tau and i usually got the 2nd turn so it wasnt that stupid. normally i often take a stormsurge so it was a good guess. plus he probably just want to take out the model he took 40 hours to print^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:33
probably
he have it painted yet?
tell him as someone who does a bit of 3D print I highly recommend using filler-primer spray
if he used a filament print process
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:33
nope it looks rather ridiculus since he had to take one yellow and one blue roll xD
spray it outside because it's nasty stuff
but
it will fill minor imperfections like the filament lines
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:35
good to know thanks. i will tell him
maybe i will use that after forgebane myself.. not sure if i buy a knight crusader from gw. or resin recast or try to print with him to go along with the 2 knight minis from forgebane
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:39
buy a knight warden and magnetize it
its stupid easy to do
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:39
but i think for him getting the deatails on small stuff like tau cib is more a problem than the filament lines
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:40
yeah, that's the problem with filament printing, it has a minimum resolution that makes it unsuitable
most of the good 3D printed stuff for the hobby is done with resin SLA
which is still expensive
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:41
yeah but still a resin one seems more to my budget.. even the more expansive ones are 60 usd for a knight + 12 usd for weapon upgrade kit compared to 125 euro from gw for a knight crusader
not sure about resin for a bit model though..
then i would also have all the weapons i think
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:42
eh, I like the GW one because you can leave parts off easily for painting without worrying about structure
and magnetize for every single weapon option easily
mine's done that way, swappable arms and weapon barrels, carapace mount
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:44
i think i can do that with the resin too. i am just not sure about the weight of the model and resin. all resin i got so far was shadowsun from gw and Yvahra from a recaster
and shadowsun sucked^^
fw Yhvara sucked too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:45
well
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:45
miranda recast was actually from better quality
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:45
FW it really depends on model age and the cycle of the current mould
the reason I like FW is because in the event of bad quality, I can just go "Hey this isn't right" and get new parts
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:46
yeah i heard. at least they dont make problems when they send you trash but still... 72 usd is less of a gamble than 124 euro for the knight crusader^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:46
with recasts, not only are you working with resin that is seriously toxic in some cases, you've no recourse if you get a bad product
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:46
miranda actually send me new stuff too if i had a problem
other recaster dont of course
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:46
huh, that's different
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 00:47
so does z
that’s a standar thing now
Standard*
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:47
with z i had issues due to bad communication though^^
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 00:47
he barely understands english so if you also have bad english yeah that’s an issue
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:48
i tried 3 recasters so far and miranda stood out for customer support. i didnt order that much though most things i buy local
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:48
eh, I try to avoid recasts because I've seen what chems they use and I don't want to deal with that stuff more than I have to
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 00:49
z’s new stuff is basically fw quality
also he’s casting in plastic more too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:49
that and I realize the more I buy recast the less FW will actually put out in terms of new stuff.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 00:50
lately all i’ve been buying is oop stuff
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 00:50
yes there's the "but one person doesn't matter" argument, but compounded across multiple people it adds up quick in a niche market
yeah.... all I ever do from them is infantry bits for conversions and OOP
I still need to get a sonic lance lynx
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:52
yeah the quality from z is great. i dont have an up to date catalog from him though. and coolcast hasnt the crusader. so mirando for me^^
i generally just buy fw stuff from recasters. only exception this one knight. if i wouldnt buy it from recasters than i wouldnt at all^^
truth be told if fw closes and gw brings the stuff in decent quality i will not shead a tear. i ordered 3 times from fw.. it was expensive and it was bad quality
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 00:59
cant you print the lance?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:03
if FW closes they won't be making the stuff under GW roof
FW is designed for low-volume sales
GW exclusively does medium and high volume stuff
if there's no medium volume market it won't be made
also cerastus knights are a completely different chassis than the questoris ones (standard GW knight)
this + imperial knight wont make a crusader?
i thought i just needed the weapons on the left
sry lizardmen player here.. cant tell a kroot from an ork
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:16
ah, when you said lance I thought you meant the Cerastus lancer knight
yeah, that looks like the parts for the crusader
but tbh just build a warden
crusader is... not good.
not in 8th at least
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:18
i like the combination of the big gun with the means against heavy infanterie
i meant the eldar lance you mentioned
i will set up the 2 mini knights from forgebane along with the crusader knight. so it seemded to be the right combination. rest of the army cheap space wolves^^
well.."cheap"..
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:20
the reason the crusader isn't great is because weapons are overcost, and unlike most other knights pays for close combat ability it never wants to use
and lacks a rule that lets it fire outside of CC like a baneblade does
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:23
well thats true. i just thought it might go well along with the 2 minis if i dont have anything bigger than a rhino from the wolves.
but if i buy the knight and the upgrade kit from miranda i can probably magnetize anyway. thats the main reason i dont want to buy a crusader from gw. it will probably have only the crusader setuo i assume? the base set from miranda seems to be the knight paladin + the weapons i posted
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:25
no
the warden/crusader box has every option
and requires minimal effort to mag
GW released two different knight boxes:
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:26
ok thats something diffrent than. thats plastic right?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:26
the original one: Paladin/Errant only
then sometime around the 7th ed Knights codex and the renegade box they released the warden kit, which was an extra sprue with the avenger GC, thunderstrike gauntlet, and carapace weapons
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:27
i think with miranda its this
have to speak to the local knight manica though to be sure
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:28
one warden box makes every possible knight variant, and the only thing you have to do for the weapons is magnetize the 'elbow joint' where it attaches to the shoulder, and the thermal cannon/RFBC
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:28
  • the thing on the head
but yeah that seems a lot more like it now since it is plastic
i thought i have either one variant from gw or all the cheaper variants from miranda but resin
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:30
also if you get GW plastic the cuff joint where you have to magnetize is guarnteed to be 5/16" diameter, which means you won't need greenstuff or even a drill to mag them
just superglue the magnet rim, pop it into the spot, and done
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:31
i think you convinced me^^
should be on sale next week for 110 euro anyway
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:31
since I'm already doing this wraithseer tutorial I'll dig out my knight and do one for knight magnets for you
it'll be imperial measurements though, not metric, so you may need to convert (or find someplace selling magnets cut to imperial measure)
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:33
after 9 crisis i think i dont need one, but if you are doing it anyway i will be pleased. yeah im used to your lack of decent measurement^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:33
5/16" x 1/16" cylinder x 6
1x16" x 1/x16" cylinder x4
does all the arms and the carapace, then 3/16"x 1/8" x3 for the gunbarrel swap
I would actually try and get the true 5/16
because I can't guarantee that the metric equivalent will sit properly in the joint cuff without additional greenstuff/putty
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:35
its fits perfect? if not i will use the locals because it fits my drils
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:35
I was able to just push it in with a flat peice of plasticard, perfect fit
not a single drop of putty or greenstuff
the only time I used any of that was for the gunbarrel
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:36
ok. its stupid anyway to save on shippig for magnets on a model tis expansive.. thanks
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:36
but a little bit of better pre-planning on my part would have made a spare bit of sprue inside just as easy
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:37
i will try to make a 3d model from every part. my father builds big pumps with cad. maybe that will help you too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:38
I've actually got a 3D scanner myself, nifty thing I got from a rapid prototyping shop that was going out of business
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:39
yeah but my father is good with the modifications sicne it is his job anyway
he usually checks our models and therfore he got printed some trash with our printer^^
that list is going to be fun
not the most competitive thing ever, but it'll definitely be fun
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 01:45
oh yeah, i should see what characters i have o top of my 3 bonesingers
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:46
im not that familar that with everything since i played mostly fantasy battle 10 years ago until recently...but from tau oerspective it is a pain in the ass^^
40k generally i played only tau and orks maybe 5h or 6th. 8th only tau and started with wolves
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 01:50
Farseer w/staff, Farsear w/spear, warlock w/spear, warlock w/witchblade, dire avenger exarch, banche exarch with power axe, autarch w/power weapon, farseer, 3x bonesinger. @WindstormSCR any suggestions on which one to put together first (outside the bonesingers)?
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:50

++ Unbound Army (Faction) (Imperium - Space Wolves) [59 PL, 1000pts] ++

  • HQ +

Bjorn the Fell-handed [14 PL, 242pts]: Heavy flamer, Helfrost cannon

Ragnar Blackmane [7 PL, 141pts]: Saga of the Warrior Born, Warlord

Rune Priest on Bike [8 PL, 135pts]: 3. Jaws of the World Wolf, Bolt pistol, Psychic hood, Runic armour, Runic axe
. Bike: Twin boltgun

  • Troops +

Blood Claws [8 PL, 78pts]
. 5x Blood Claw
. Blood Claw Pack Leader: Chainsword

Blood Claws [4 PL, 65pts]
. 4x Blood Claw
. Blood Claw Pack Leader: Chainsword

Blood Claws [4 PL, 65pts]
. 4x Blood Claw
. Blood Claw Pack Leader: Chainsword

  • Elites +

Lukas the Trickster [6 PL, 118pts]

  • Dedicated Transport +

Rhino [4 PL, 78pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Storm bolter

Rhino [4 PL, 78pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Storm bolter

++ Total: [59 PL, 1000pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

all i have on wolves so far + the 2 mini knights from forgebane
seems a bit lost on the table that 1k army compared to tau^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:52
@tekton those are just spare characters? the exarchs are squad sergeants
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 01:53
@WindstormSCR yes, that's the extra things sitting on my desk right now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:53
also new plastic autarch or old resin?
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 01:53
looks resin?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:53
oh, you got the MTO finecast guy?
you're in luck
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 01:54
yes, that sounds right
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:54
I have photos of how I magnetized mine :D
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 01:54
i think that's what all these are from, the MTO bundle
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:54
with some spare plastic dire avenger bits you can make him easily configurable for whatever role
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 01:54
sweet
guess i should get a box of dire avengers...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:55
yes, you'll need the glaive from there to make a star glaive
my preferred loadout these days:
Foot autarch as the base, falchou's wing relic (only way to get a wing autarch with the glaive), fusion gun, avenger shuriken catapult.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 01:57
no one around me plays Eldar (which is weird), so I figured I'd make one to play against...
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 01:57
thats another problem for me from 40k... to many version of models and bases.. i got actually wolves with square bases like fantasy or some bases that seems to big..... the necron guy i play with got mini spiders from ebay
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 01:57
I meant base as in starting point. and if you got square bases those were probably the fantasy wolves that people often used before fenrisian wolves were thier own kit
@tekton I'd highly recommend getting a new plastic autarch as well. most of my high points lists (2k+) run two of them for reroll bubbles with one as a beatstick config
the resin one generally pulls buff/sniper duty with wings and the reaper launcher
the plastic one gets the glaive and a fusion pistol to go hunt things
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 02:00
have the jetbikes and shining spears always been different kits?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:00
yes
don't bother with the shining spear kit
its old and awful
just get some windriders and use DE cold one knight lances
If you get your polarities all right: http://puu.sh/zLonn/e222b028c8.jpg
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 02:03
they are now in evernote
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:03
And then if you actually want a decent star glaive instead of the dire avenger power glaive, snip off the original blade and use a wraithsword: http://puu.sh/zLopj/732f261a98.jpg
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 02:05
interesting
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 02:06
Stealth Suit is Best Suit
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:06
The wolf bases seems to big next to Tau
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:06
I think stealths are on 32mm now as well
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:07
I think stealth is a little expansive
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:07
the xv25s?
they're pretty much the best unit in that codex
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 02:07
the new kits are on 32mm; i have 6 waiting to be glued on my paint table right now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:07
infiltrate and -1 with battlesuit keyword? I'd pay thier codex price for that
real dollar price... GW is GW, is all I can say to that
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:08
But crisis stol bigger
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 02:08
i'll have 12 of the stealth suits minimum on the table after my games yesterday/today @H4lek1n they pull their weight in points and then some
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:13
Well basewise: firewarrior and stealth 25mm , those wolf troops 32mm crisis 50 mm. I assumed wolves are smaller
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 02:13
@WindstormSCR apparently i'm also just buying a start collecting box since i like the look of the wraithlord :P i don't think i'll ever use that walker unless it becomes super OP, something about it looks wrong
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:14
@tekton well, funny you say that
tonight's work
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 02:14
very nice
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:14
Wraithseer #2
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:15
but yeah stealth suits are good. but you get almost 3 crisis withc bc for 4 stealth+system
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:15
with tutorial pictures taken! just need to fire up photoshop and mark the lines and text
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:15
those eldar models are quite neat. but im really more scared of smite^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:15
those can smite >:D
wraithseers are psykers
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:16
no but the last eldar i played smited me to pblivion
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:16
HQ psyker version of the wraithlord
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:16
cant wait to play nids or sons..
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:17
tbh smite spam with eldar isn't usually worth it, because well-placed buffs have more impact
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:17
psy ühase...yeah i just wave.. ^.^
true. i didnt expect it either. but what can a tau do^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:18
buy a unit of sniper drones
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:18
even the necron with his psy ban spyder sucked due to the range
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:18
since they now actually have the ability to snipe
eldar psykers that can smite well only have 4 wounds and a 4++ protecting them
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:19
well even the mortal on the sniper isnt that good. you cant really afford a dozend^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:19
sniper drone fire WILL kill them
I don't mean the mortals
just enough shots on the character will do the job
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:20
well in the 3 rounds 3 sniper drones would do the job i can also just empty the table i think. those drones arent cheap
i rather use the marksman just for mark on 3+ and elite detachement
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:22
its pretty hard to pick out eldar characters without direct targeting
because of the fast foot speed and no-penalty advance
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:23
therefore kill them all for the grater good^^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 02:23
as an eldar player I'd still seriously recommend one unit for shooting eldar psykers, guard commanders, marine LTs
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:24
but 3 sniper drones arent enough and cost already 54 + 25 for the marksmen
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:24
Did someone say Wolves and Knights?
I present Malleus Lupen, The Hammer of the Wolves
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:25
lets say 5 + marksmen thats 115.. im quite new to 40k but that seems expensive for a "maybe"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:25
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WIP
The fluer-di-lis is because my primary (first love) army is Sisters, and I eventually run everything with Sisters, so I tend to slip some Sisters iconography in on everything (or follow my Sisters paint scheme)
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:27
is that fw?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:27
No that's GW
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:28
there is no titan on bs wolves...
but i am drunk so maybe..?^^
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:29
I used Georgia O'Keefe's Black Iris III painting as the basis for the color palette for my Sisters, which are The Order of the Black Iris
And so the colors on pretty much all my armies are heavy in shades of grays and purples/violet
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:30
so its some knight version? sry i was thinking of a named char^^
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:31
And no, the Wolves don't have Knights themselves -- it's a Knight Household that works with them -- hence the SW iconography on the shield, the pauldron yellow/black stripes, etc.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:32
alright i might have to look into that. i was more like ..yeah wolves with allies..the locals will hunt me with torches xD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:33
Ya gots ta have a theme to make it work. :)
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:33
more likley playing tau with eisenhorn because they are so naive , he will feel like he isnt a radical
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:33
For me playing Sisters with Celestine with Cadian Guard is pretty easy: they're survivors of The Fall of Cadia and part of the Celestine Crusade made canon by Gathering Storm I
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:37
oh btw fluff wise: was there anything after the fall of cadia? i only have the ne wolf novels which state..yeah there was a cadia but we dont care.....
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:37
I mean.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:38
i actually thought we will get russ back
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:38
The giant warp riff
Is after cadia.
Then forgebane story after that
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:38
but from novel side not campaign, what was after?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:39
Tau discovered warp space. And the chaos that comes with it
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:39
there were guard and inquisition novels on the planet, but then?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:39
Oh novels? Idk
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:40
I'm hoping for Chaos-corrupted Tau
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:40
@Kohato tau discovered stuff and got thrashed, repeat. that is there story^^
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:40
And LEMAN RUSS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:40
Joe that is what the 4th sphere was I think
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:40
He'd better be the next Primarch or I'm gonna burn GW to the ground
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:40
Hints to that in the fluff of tau dex
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:41
leman russ would be a wonder if he didnt come back.. to many novels^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:41
Russ needs a dual form. Like Marathi
Fucking chaos wolf form
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:41
And he better be mounted on two thunderwolves, one for each foot, wielding a power thunderwolf as a weapon
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:42
@CrusherJoe i think fluffwise they dont have a connection to the warp
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:42
Tau?
They aren’t blanks
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:43
@CrusherJoe since wolf lord still some guy with good meele and human plasma pistol cough
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 02:43
SW just....are so lackluster and devoid of flavor or character right now. Index-itis.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:43
They just have no ability to manipulate warp energy. Slipspace drives are first real attempt at warp travel. And they decided to open a metric asston of warp rifts in one place.
Because the ethereals said fuck you science. We’re right. You won’t break reality.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:44
@Kohato i might be wrong but i think it was mentioned only eternals have some connection
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:44
And the earth caste was like don’t say we didn’t warn you
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:44
hehehe
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:45
The best part about the 4th spehere debacle? Everyone forgot about farsight.
Now he can be an awesome ninja hermit in peace.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:46
the 8th codex mentioned the earth cast guy responibe for the desaster said something like "progress is still for the greater good"^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:46
...
I mean. He was told to say that sure
Just like Putin won an election.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:47
either that or he is gone..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:47
The ethereals are some shady fuckers. Farsight was right.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:48
putin would probably won that without tempering. just for the 70-70 he wanted.. hes like a dami good for them. maybe wolves are russians
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:48
Of course he would have won. He arrested the opposition leader
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:49
without tempering i meant
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 02:49
That’s like being surprised you won a one man pissing contest.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 02:49
you still could loose that if you dont have too :P
i dont know what peoples problems are..glowing in the dark seems lke fun to me
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 03:13
@CrusherJoe I'm really hoping they don't do chaos Tau...it's nice having a race that isn't considered about that kind of thing.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 03:23
Ugh
Arguing with locals about why they shouldn’t bitch that they don’t have a Codex yet
-.-
He actually tried to use the excuse he could use the buster old dex up until the new one would come out
I’m just like how is that any better then being in an Index designed for that edition
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 03:28
wait.... what?
he tried to argue for using a 7th codex in 8e?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 03:36
29365718_10216000432033847_3693152621603848192_o.jpg
YAY MY KROME ARRIVED TODAY
Not bad for $64 including shipping
($54 plus $10 shipping -- super special one-day sale)'
It's a monster
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 03:39
neat
still curious about the matte coat over gloss wash
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 03:39
Ah yes
I used the gloss wash on Banana Hammock boots
I need to actually do some investigation/experiments
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 03:58
@WindstormSCR no. He’s bitching because in previous editions, he always had a Codex up until it was updated. He’s butthurt because he feels his precious DE/Harlequins should be top tier and already have codecies
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 04:01
@CrusherJoe I'm really hoping they don't do chaos Tau...it's nice having a race that isn't considered about that kind of thing.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 04:01
Tell him that from a CWE player, he should be glad he'll have 6 months to use whatever's busted in his codex before the next big adjustment
also the later in the release cycle, the more likely he'll have new models
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Mar 20 2018 04:02
like that would happen . tau being " the good guys"
how is brushing with air fror anything smaller than heavy detachement? does it play out well if you take care or only for titan/base?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 04:35
depends on what you're painting and the colors involved
detail is generally handbrush, but I know guys that do pretty much all of the primary color bases with airbrushes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 04:37
I use an airbrush for everything I can
It's changed the way I approach painting
...in good ways.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 04:39
I need an airbrush that isn't crap
and a white that isn't a base paint to throw through it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 04:39
A very good bargain one is the Iwata Neo
It's been my trusty workhorse since I bought it.
I also have a Paasche (that's like a fire hose)
And now the Krome
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 04:41
you've already seen what I use for my thousand sons blue base :P
really what I need one for is swooping hawks/banshees/fire dragons
bright colors evenly on fragile finecast is suck
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 04:43
I second the Iwata Neo
Go to hobby lobby, use 40% off coupon, profit
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 04:43
well, if this guy I was talking to buys my RG that'll be a thing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 04:44
Also buy the hose, and spare needle/nozzle
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 04:45
I'll see if the fitting is the same as the current hose I have for a cen pneumatic PoS
though I might give that another go since the swooping hawks use a layer, not a base
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 05:37
My two badger airbrushs finally showed up recently. Still haven’t used the patriot but the Velocity was amazing for Custodes bikes, Orruks, and the other random stuff I had to finish up
So, I'm trying to plan out five tables for an event...I'm still not sure how much terrain to have available per table...
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 08:52
i worked it out probably wasn't really worth me ordering from badger on that birthday thing; to the UK it wasnt a huge saving
and i own a couple of nice H&S airbrushes already
I was tempted though
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 11:31
@WindstormSCR you're going through with it then potentially ? Man, I don't think I could do it ... as 'meh' as they are .. they're still my chapter... sigh
Thats the Pylon mentioned yesterday
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:17
@amis92 The drone cost changes didn't seem to make it in the release.
Can you double check those?
MV4 is still 11.
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 13:20
the pylon a home made thing (3d printed?) or is it some commercial product?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 20 2018 13:21
The change is definitely in the released file...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:21
Yep, the commit was there.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 20 2018 13:21
Unless there's more than one instance of the MV4 in the file?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:21
I'll purge data and try again
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 13:22
@Kohato where exactly do you have 11pts? Which unit?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:22
XV8s
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 13:22
Nope, 10 for me.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:22
and there it goes
yep - had to purge instead of just update data
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 13:23
:< That doesn't bode well for future issues on this topic...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:23
Yea :/
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 13:23
did you check version numbers before/after the purge?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:24
No? But my data repository said olympic fishmen from the tau empire
so it was updated.
:p
It was an old list though
Was assuming it would update points (it should, and it did after purging data source)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 13:25
yeah, loading an old list should update to new points
especially weird since it was showing 11pts, rather than the original 8 (assuming you made it pre-leaks)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 13:25
Just checked, on my phone it worked as expected. List had 2 MV4s, 1002pts. After update, 1000pts. Hopefully your situation was exceptional :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:25
I am an exceptional kind of guy
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 13:26
We all are :beers:
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:28
Oh, I just got the Russian - Olympics - Stims joke ... woooo go me
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter is also speshul
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:29
but it's ok, it's Destroyer Day !
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:32
Its also Rusev Day
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:35
well TIL
you going to see him live ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:36
Rusev?
Nah, last time WWE was near me was early march
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:41
so, gauss up to heavy 3 S6 ... wonder if anything else changed post beta dex
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:44
?
New community post?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:44
yeah the tomb blade one yesterday said it's destroyers today
Come back tomorrow, when we’ll be taking a closer look at the merciless Mephrit Dynasty, and some changes to Destroyers that’ll make them even deadlier…
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:45
Oh, it's not up
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:46
not yet ... can't wait
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:46
I'll likely be going mephrit for my dynasty
Tesla at -1 is going to hurt things.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:47
yup yup
although what named warlord does that give you ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:48
none
most are sautekh
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:49
Hmmm well, not a problem the only model I own is Szeras
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:49
Trazyn is nihilak, and orikan is none.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:49
and I hardly ever field him
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:49
Sorry, Szeras is none
Orikan is sautekh
But hey, if you want to run them - just run a command detachment of sautekh
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:50
could but they only buff their own dynasty right ?
so, more like a council workforce .. standing around drinking tea, while the one lot of warriors do the work
-insert any middlemanagement here- type role
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 13:54
Yea, the lord/overlord buffs are sautekh only
except imotekh
Only his bloodworms are sautekh
and those are only flayed ones anyway
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 13:56
need me another 20 flayed ones
with the hope that 3A goes back up to 4A
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 13:59
Wouldn't hold my breath. This edition is rather scarce in Attacks.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 14:00
someone tell Demon Princes
they didn't get that memo
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:01
yeah, first time i read that double talons is +3...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 14:01
and yet, Trygons with 72 claws only get +1
not bitter ... just finished building a small nids force and that caught me off guard
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 14:03
I'd take 72 attacks at 6+ WS.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 14:04
heheh ...need a helping hand to rattle those dice
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 14:05
So many people forget that Daemon Princes with Sword/Axe etc. still get a bonus attack with the 1 claw they always have
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:09
problem is i cant think of a situation where talons isnt the best choice
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 14:11
the damage potential is about the same
talons would be better if hits have a chance to proc sometning
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:12
you mean like getting an extra attack on a hit roll of 6+?
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 14:12
no
that would also work
out about the same
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:12
oh yeah, good point
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 14:12
but if you had a proc like mortal wounds on a 6+ or something then more attacks would be better
but as it stands, 4 attacks with a flat 3 damage + 1 attack with a flat 2 damage, vs 7 attacks with a flat 2 damage each - works out basically the same damage output.
thats if you go sword
the axe throws a wrench in cos its -3 ap (sword and claws are ap -2) but the axe has a -1 to hit
so less damage potential but less chance of the wounds being saved
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:14
its also +1S, so you hit that S8 breakpoint
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 14:14
yeh
i suspect it works out about the same mathematically to the other options
the sword would be better vs custodes i guess
sword would 1 shot them (the 3 wound guys) where as you would need 2 talon hits to kill one and waste a point of damage each time
vs the 4 wound guys it makes no diff
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:22
hmmm. maybe with diabolic strength and/or intoxication elixir the sword becomes more appealing
anything that grants more attacks would pay off better
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 14:24
yeh
if its not extra hits based off existing hits. If something just grants x number of extra attacks then the higher damage options would be better
I have several princes so i have all options modelled. I tend to use the one with a sword tho
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 14:27
@WindstormSCR @FarseerVeraenthis this is basically what I do for Black now
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 14:42
I mentioned Demon princes for you guys to make ME feel better about getting less attacks ... not for you filthy heretics to laud it up :(
so, seeing as that's where we are at ... all things being equal in the new 'crons / tau codex ... is there a hard counter to a DP Party ? say three of them Nurgle bois bouncing around
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 14:45
Pack up and leave.
Or 40 boyz.
Times 3
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:46
are we talking death guard, daemon, or legion?
theyre all subtly different
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 14:47
daemon ... I've faced off against black legion with three DP's before ... so .. yeah take your pick
they all have a number of attacks, a 5+ invuln and a propensity for not dying
infuriating
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:48
well legion ones dont get FNP, so theyre not so bad
im not too familiar with nurgle though, so idk what the done thing is with them
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 14:51
can't realistically tarpit them with wraiths cause they'll get lucky and instakill most of a pack ... c'tan lifted itself off the table and walked off by itself without me touching it ... the CCB got mulched ..
new destroyers might have to step up I guess
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:53
yeah, killing them from afar is the safest way to go if you cant reliably kill them in one turn of melee
but theyre characters so....
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 14:53
Oh necrons
Warlord Trait to turn your warlord into a sniper
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 14:53
and tough, so wounding on 5's the pain is real
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 14:53
CCB with tesla cannon
Sit in a corner and snipe his characters.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:54
yeah, theyre T6, so new destroyers might do a decent job
whats the damage on the guass cannon?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 14:54
D3 top of head
or D6 from the heavy
as long as they don't have a screen yeah can shoot them up a little
asking my friend for a rematch soon then :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:56
yeah, thats not going to slow him down much... unless you can find 12 destroyers and get them in range
oh i forget to factor in FNP
make that 18
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 14:58
18 would kill 1 or 3 DPs?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 14:58
one prince
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 14:58
JESUSWHATTHEACTUALWHAT
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 14:59
destroyer is heavy 3 S6 D3 - hvy destroyer Hvy1 S9 D6
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 14:59
Welcome to Nurgle.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 14:59
might not need that many
but yeah, the invulns are the thing he gets lucky on passing
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 15:00
oh, i just saw destroyers re-roll 1s, so you can divide that by 7/6. and then apply any codes/auras/stratagems that are relevant
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 15:01
with a destroyer lord near by they reroll wounds and hits of 1
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 15:03
fml. i asked about damage then didnt factor it in
its closer to 8
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 15:04
yeah just found a mathhammer site ... approx 18 shots with rerolls 1's to hit and wound to kill a DP without FNP
assuming 14 of the 18 shots hit on average
so yeah would need 18 destroyers in 3 squads and a D-Lord to overkill 3 DP's ... I'm buying more 'Nids
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 15:08
can my will be done add +1 to hit to destroyers?
i assume it can
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 15:09
yes, infantry
still needs 13 shots to get the average number of failed saves
so only 5 models per DP
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 15:11
or about 1400 points of shooting in one turn assuming it can shoot a valid target lol
WOOOHOOO it's Destroyer Day @Kohato
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 15:11
that stratagem helps in this scenario
re-rolling wounds is massive when you need a 4+
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 15:13
makes average needed shots = 11 so only 4 models now
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 15:13
im not sure if destroyers vs dp's is really a fair comparison tho
its a bit apples and oranges
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 15:13
so 14 destroyers, a D-Lord .. an overlord and 2CP
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 15:14
the DP has to survive however many turns it takes for it to get in charge range of the destroyers
once it charges in it would eat them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 15:14
Gauss Cannon profile and voidreaper unchanged
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 15:14
yup, but it's a character ... so throw down 30 cultists in front to soak up some shots
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 15:14
I'm fairly confident that only points might change
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 15:15
destroyers vs crisis suits or admech tracked dudes or something is a bit more like for like
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 15:16
1 CP to ignore invulns on your first attack?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 15:16
so void scythe hitting on 3, wounding on 2 ... first attack if it hits can avoid invuln for 3 damage
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 15:16
seems oddly specific
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 15:17
you have to spend it BEFORE the swing too, so need to be sure of hitting
and yeah, that confirms it ... Mephrit with CCB and voltaic staff
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 15:18
CCB's back on the menu boys
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 15:19
wow, their stuff has really good synergy
+6" range and a bonus for being within half
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 15:20
Yea, i'm happy with it.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 20 2018 15:46
burn all the things ... with gauss
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 15:47
Tesla yo
All tesla, all the time.
Thokt Dynasty will take after the Mephrit Dynastic codes.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 20 2018 15:51
inb4 Begone Thokt!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 18:00
29388632_1995216234132339_1028233462924272117_n.jpg
I'm a large fan of these kit focus graphics
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 18:01
WHERE'S THE MISSING SPRUE, GW?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 18:01
Missing sprue?
Read that....you'll see what I mean. :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 18:05
You know those missing faceplates are in the 2nd from bottom sprue
in the middle
right?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 18:05
Yes, yes. You're missing the main part.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 18:08
Oh the faceplates in the instructions are swapped from whats on the sprues?
Oh, just the same thing we all figured in the first place, upgrade sprues for new amiger variants - IE: Magnetize your shit.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 18:10
Honestly the loadout in Forgebane is....sub-optimal.
I get what they want you to do with it
But to me Knights are about overwhelming firepower, you should only get choppy with 'em if things go horribly wrong, since you lose your invul in CC
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 18:11
Or if you can go first.
And smash them to bits.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 18:14
i still want to convert one to a nemesis dreadknight...or at least kitbash them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 20 2018 18:15
You probably could.
Dreadknight sword would look pretty decent
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 18:15
oh, it's going to happen ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 18:24
I can now run the spookiest of spooky ghost lists
all the leadership debuffing
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 18:58
Nice; I like the look of shadow specters a lot
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 19:21
They're overpriced for effect, but I'm going to try leadership shenanigans with them
roll 2d6 take highest for morale with LD penalties means even MSU lists might have trouble
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 20:45
@WindstormSCR thanks for the pic of the defense line :smile:
and @alphalas thanks for the tip about painting black, but my drybrushing is terrible so I think it would look awful
once I get my airbrush sorted out hopefully I can pick up the pace with my base coats and get back to enjoying doing fiddly details that make all the difference
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 20:49
Airbrush == WIN
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 20:49
:+1:
what "accessories" do I need??
I have a cleaning station / stand
do I need pipettes??
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 20:50
So that depends on what paint you plan on using
Hang on a sec
Get one of these:
As it makes even difficult airbrush cleaning easy
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 20:51
That set is indeed amazing +1
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 20:51
(and it's super cheap)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 20:51
cool, I have some stuff from cleaning my big spray gun but not the little needle thing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 20:51
I use Vallejo Airbrush Thinner for thinning purposes, and some other Airbrush Cleaning solution (the kind sold at Hobby Lobby)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 20:52
Generic Sonic Wave CD-2800 Ultrasonic Jewelry & Eyeglass Cleaner (White/Gray) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DKDAVW?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
I also recommend this
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 20:52
That ^^^^
I'm going to purchase one of those myself
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 20:52
Mine just came in the mail and I’m giving it a test run as we speak
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 20:53
As for paints -- you can use GW paints but I'm not a fan of using them in an airbrush
You have to thin them way down (like 1:1 paint:thinner)
My weapons of choice these days are Vallejo Model/Game Air. They spray perfect, require very little (if any) thinning and just go on so smoooooooth
You could also get this kit instead:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 20:55
This
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 20:55
It has the same cleaning kit as well as a cleaning pot (which you spray cleaner/thinner/whatever into, keep it from going everywhere
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 20:55
The spray out bottle is clutch
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 20:55
The ratio I've actually started using for when I really want that GW color- 5:4:1 Thinner, GW Paint, Flow Improver
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 20:55
I have that cleaning bottle holder thing already so I must be half on the right path
is that GW Air paint or the normal bursh paint?
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 20:56
Flow Improver is the single best thing I ever bought with regards to airbrushing
Vallejo branded in this case but i guess others are as good
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 20:56
(I never realised ultrasonic baths were so cheap)
James
@skonk
Mar 20 2018 20:56
i actually enjoy cleaning my airbrushes manually so i've not bothered with a sonic
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 20:58
+1 to flow improver
It's a special magic but I don't use it all the time
Oh, ALSO
I'm Number 2!.PNG
That doesn't include the score from the event I played in this weekend -- that'll make me #1
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 20:59
groovy
top :banana:
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 21:01
@CrusherJoe awesome! well done
@FarseerVeraenthis that's my ratio for normal paint, for their airbrush pain i usually just do 9:1 paint to flow improver
for vallejo paint i usually just dump it in the cup and go
With the exception of ultramarine, i add some flow improver- learned that the hard way doing my ultrasmurf primaris
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 21:03
ok, that's cool, I was under the impression GW Air was designed to spray straight
so always nice to know someone else's experience
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 21:04
The only paint -- even airbrush paint -- that I spray straight out of the bottle is Vallejo Liquid Metal. That stuff does not like to be thinned!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 21:04
:+1:
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 21:05
Oh yeah, that is super important to note!
Once in a while I've gotten a bottle of Copper or Jet Exhaust that need a little flow improver or thinner, but very, very, VERY little- usually it just needs a little more pressure or a larger needle due to the metal flakes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 21:06
I use the Paasche (aka, "THE HOSE") for metallics
Oh, one more
Vallejo Game Air Gunmetal. Straight out of the bottle. Works like a champ.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 21:14
I was using my Iwata-Medea Eclipse HP CS for most larger things, but some things happened and it can't be used anymore...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 21:16
thanks for all the info guys :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 21:22
I second the usefulness of this infodump
especially as someone that wants to get into better airbrushing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 21:22
Now one thing you may look into is spraying GW washes
Straight out of the bottle (there's a use for pipettes!) and with low (5-7 psi) pressure...light coats to tint the models and wash them at the same time
Also
Tamiya Smoke -- have to use the Tamiya thinner with it and it DOES leave a satin/low gloss finish, but it tones down metallics like nobody's business
"Battle Report: Tau vs Gray Knights"
WTF
Here let's just beat the crap out of some GK geebuz
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 21:25
I have both those armies on my table right now, lol
Where is this report? I want to see how badly the GK lose on turn 1
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 21:25
lol
Tau codex is actually turning out surprisingly strong tbh
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 21:26
(I'm bringing GK to WarGamesCon...possibly pure GK just to give other people more points and help them enjoy their day more)
Playing on Hard Mode eh?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 21:26
granted it was a similar reaction with eldar when people complained about windriders/scorpions being shit
and warp spiders being shit
because of all the asshats that had windrider/warp spider lists
but then they discovered that the eldar codex was actually good
Tau are having the same cycle I feel
crisis isn't great, but the big suits are good and stealth suits/ghostkeels are disgusting
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 21:28
Eh
I put down a triple 'surge single 'tide list Saturday playing with new codex
Strong army, but not unbeatable
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 21:29
Not sure they're disgusting good, but the stealth suits are still good
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 21:29
Are they?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 21:29
I thought I was gonna get blown off the table
They just mentioned Battlescribe!
Mr. Bone mentioned that he was using BS that "was just updated today"
LOL
YOU'RE FAMOUS @amis92
:+1:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 21:30
YAAAY :D
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 21:31
@amis92 yeah, the amount of firepower and points per wound can work out really well
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 21:32
Any specific loadout/configurations?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 21:32
@CrusherJoe timestamp?
just barebones stealths, triple burst
the innate -1 and board control makes them good
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 21:33
my current setup is 2BC/1 fushion sgt, 5 bc/1 fusion sgt - the larger unit I didn't think would be good but the strat to let them fire twice came in handy enough that I left it that way
my third squad i keep going between triple burst and 2bc/1fb
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 21:35
7:45
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 21:36
just the board control with actual durable and useful units is nice, they're not useless control tax like scouts
well, thats 3 issues closed with people who can't math or own chapter approved :(
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 21:39
Geebuz the OSL on the Tau army is OUT OF CONTROL. :-1: :-1: :-1: :-1: :-1: :-1: :-1: :-1:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 20 2018 21:48
More like Heavy Sigh-Cannons, amirite?
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 21:50
Yes...that is correct
taking termie troops was basically conceding that game...
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 21:53
Hey, can someone comprehend what's BSData/bsdata#191 about? I just can't.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 22:01
Misunderstanding of rules? Need to find the FAQ, but though that the marines allowed in those squads were pretty strict
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 22:04

I've a feeling he wants to build Kill Team for the upcoming game:

when the kill team game is released

Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 22:04
:+1:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 20 2018 22:04
But I've got no idea where does he get rules/hints for rules from?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 22:04
gotta get ahead of the curve
Adam Vollrath
@axisofentropy
Mar 20 2018 22:04

wontfix

Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 22:05
yeah, from us, "cuz we'z iz GeeDubz innit"
tekton
@tekton
Mar 20 2018 22:05
Ha, I was writing that out @amis92 as you were it looks like
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 22:11
god damn what’s up with his toga?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 22:21
@FarseerVeraenthis wraithseer tutorial will be up soonish, just doing the last image composite
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 22:21
beautiful :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 22:32
I just need decent priming weather now :(
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 22:35
yeah, that's a good point actually - does airbrush spraying need the same conditions as aerosol spraying?? (I hope not, I hope it is much less sensitive to temperature and moisture)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 20 2018 22:35
it isn’t, but only because it can be done inside
HOWEVER
if you’re spraying inside, i HIGHLY recomend one of these
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 22:37
@FarseerVeraenthis https://imgur.com/gallery/4eTEv
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 20 2018 22:45
thanks both :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 20 2018 23:26
@FarseerVeraenthis as you can see I don't go for the shoulder weapons because I just use the wraithcannon on the end of the staff as that or a D-cannon
wraithcannon is good for cost saving and if you plan to run up the board, d-cannon is ace for heavy support (or character sniping with MoTIH)