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21st
Mar 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 00:00 UTC
Let me know how your own wraithseer fares, mine just got a friend because he's formed a nasty habit of being shot first (after he killed a knight in a single assault...)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 21 2018 00:54 UTC
I spray in the garage. I usually have the door open, but not always...which may explain a few things, now that I think about it...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 21 2018 00:55 UTC
Question regarding Condition Groups.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 21 2018 00:56 UTC
I think I'm gonna get one of these:
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 21 2018 00:56 UTC
For 'And' statements all the statements have to be true?
Because LED lights
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 01:03 UTC
@OftKilted yes
OR is any one has to be true, AND requires all true
you can nest them though for hybrids
example A AND B must be true, but A is only true when Y OR Z is true
so YB or ZB are acceptable
there's an example of that kind of thing for the Vexilla relic in custodes
using ancestor instances for the vexilus praetor and the different vexilla types
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 21 2018 01:15 UTC
So OR (and A ) (and B) ...would be Either 'All A' or 'All B' (do set command) ....
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 01:22 UTC
yep
generally easier to use AND with nested ORs though, for most permutation cases
depends on if you have one static condition (ancestor of model) and then a more variable condition (wargear selection)
guessing this is for something AoS?
@amis92 for #2695 the validation should be "max in force" which is where the issue pops I think, can't check right now but I'm guessing it's currently max in roster
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 21 2018 01:53 UTC
@WindstormSCR Yeah ... working on trying to hide some RSE's under certain circumstances. And my nested cases are being problematic.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 21 2018 07:50 UTC
@WindstormSCR I'll have to get a wraithlord and give it a whirl, I think I have all the other bits, I have 10 (metal) wraith cannon guard already so I don't need the ones in the wraithguard box I have yet to build...
Thanks for the how to :-)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 08:49 UTC
Morning ... anyone seen the rumour of the rumour about a guy who knows a guy who saw the french beta codex for DE down the pub being touted by a gypsy woman?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 08:55 UTC
wtf
I don't check in for 2 freakin' days and you guys give me a MENTION-heartattack?!
you're well aware this counts as absolutely HERETICAL!?!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 21 2018 08:57 UTC
Dark Angels are HERETICAL! :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 08:57 UTC
Facepalm.jpg
doesnt that joke ever grow old?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 21 2018 08:58 UTC
No. No, it doesn't. :D
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 08:58 UTC
I fell of my dinosaur because of laughter the first time I heard that!
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 21 2018 09:49 UTC
#1843 - @GenWilhelm maybe you would like to shoot an email to GW to include that in March FAQ?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 21 2018 09:59 UTC
and for every Guard unit that has the same issue?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 21 2018 09:59 UTC
:+1:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 10:00 UTC
i did back then, when i made the last comment :D
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 21 2018 10:00 UTC
I guessed so. Seems they ignored it :<
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 10:01 UTC
we havent had the March faq yet, have we?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 21 2018 10:01 UTC
yeah, they are leaving it pretty late :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 10:05 UTC
well adepticon is soon, so i doubt it'll be dropped just before that
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 21 2018 10:06 UTC
realistically, it should be this weekend, because every other FAQ has dropped on a Saturday.
and this Saturday is the last one in March.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 10:06 UTC
next saturday is the 31st :P
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 21 2018 10:07 UTC
And I can't read a calendar today then...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 10:07 UTC
which is also when necrons are being released, keeping to GWs promise of necrons being this month
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 10:46 UTC
GW Community Facebook put a message to say the FAQ would be after adepticon
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 11:21 UTC
should be having a game with the tau tonight
think i'll go farsight enclaves
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 11:28 UTC
vs ?
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 11:36 UTC
admech most likely
he's not won a game with the admech yet in 8th so im not fussed about my list being all that good tbh
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 11:38 UTC
which forge world?
i only ask because there are some very strong and polarising opinions in my local group about which forge worlds are good
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 11:44 UTC
he tends to go mars so he gets all the rerolls from Cawl
but he sometimes tries others
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 11:44 UTC
inhales sharply
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 11:45 UTC
but what seems to always happen is regardless of how much he smashes his opponent early game, as soon as his stuff gets locked up in a combat its game over
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 21 2018 12:34 UTC
...doesn't he know what Fulgurite Priests are for? <--- not sure on spelling
For that matter....does he know how to use The Dakka Bot of DOOOOOOOM
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 12:34 UTC
or just a few units of vanguard, like anyone else with cheap troops does
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 21 2018 12:35 UTC
And Stygies IV?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 12:36 UTC
the c-word has already been mentioned - any hope of a good forge world is out of the window
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 21 2018 12:37 UTC
That's one of the reasons I'm glad that while I have Creed and Harker and whatnot and even though I play Cadians I have no compulsion to do so
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 12:40 UTC
if i could run pask as anything other than cadian, i would be all over that. unfortunately it cannot be
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 21 2018 13:01 UTC
GSgt Harker is probably the one reason i ever thought bout playing catachan
Well, and Straken
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 13:02 UTC
mamorph tusk blade is a lot of fun
pack that and a blade of conquest into a flamera with a couple of chainsword command squads
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:05 UTC
Hey, I run Mars, never had terribly much trouble
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:06 UTC
Go Mars or go home, impostors.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:07 UTC
I feel it's only right that I run mars, with an occasional appearnce by cawl
I also have necrons
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:07 UTC
I faced off vs Mars and Cawl and a load of Castellan murderbots with their Grav friends (stratagem that works between them for double shooting ?) was pretty horrifying to face down
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:07 UTC
And as we all know, Trazyn and Cawl are besties
Oh Hi @Thairne - how's the chaos rock that is ... The Rock ?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:08 UTC
you could say it's... a rocky ride.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:08 UTC
Hiding heresy from the imperium usually is.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:09 UTC
hahaha nice attempt, my metalic egyptian robot zombie friend
I am above such petty concerns.
I am. Really.
Not a slightest bit of doubt.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:09 UTC
So are we. They're our worlds, chaos or not. You're just the young kids stepping on our grass.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:10 UTC
now stop nicking our Blackstone
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:10 UTC
then could you kindly allow us to close the rift since you can'T get your asses out of your tombs to doing it yourself?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:10 UTC
Why? At the moment Chaos is cleansing the interlopers.
When they're done, we close the rift. And then die to the tyranids because Szerekh still hasn't reached us.
He's still running for his metallic life from a hive fleet.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:11 UTC
Oh yes. that is why you built the pylons in the first place. I'd think you learnt your lesson when you almost lost the war in heaven due to psychic shenanigans..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:11 UTC
almost
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:12 UTC
who's thaz Szerekh unit and why is he important?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:12 UTC
But we didn't. Because we rock.
The Silent King.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:12 UTC
now
the rock rocks
wasnt that guy some other name...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:12 UTC
went into exile cause he made us all metal.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:12 UTC
or am I just confused?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:12 UTC
Found the tyranids
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:12 UTC
I guess we all know the answer to that..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:12 UTC
Did a 180, is racing back to unite the dynasties against them.
Still running to this day.
You're thinking of Imhotekh
Sautekh phaeron
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:12 UTC
exactly
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter grabs popcorn and watches the grandpa's duke it out on the front porch
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:13 UTC
the mummy guy from the mummy movie
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:13 UTC
Good thing the imperium doesn't have brendan frasier.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:13 UTC
but we have cats.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:13 UTC
shit
truce?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:13 UTC
I accept a truce once you let me mine some blackstone
do do your freakin' job so you can purge some nids
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:14 UTC
You had a whole planet of the stuff.
You let Abbadon come and throw a rock at it.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:14 UTC
guess who left that ROCK behind?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:14 UTC
trade you some blackstone for some o' them little green robed dudes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:14 UTC
your oh so mystical anti chaos blackstone fortresses which are actually PROWARP blackstone fortresses?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:14 UTC
Didn't the imperial fists ram a blackstone fortress with their monestary ship?
It all depends on how you charge it ya dolt.
You were using the bad schwartz
we use the good schwartz
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:15 UTC
I dont think you can call the guys that did that "you" and refer to "us"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:16 UTC
If the good schwartz was used, the pylons would've worked fine.
Cawl had to go all pokey and investigate them and bam, cadia blows up
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:16 UTC
well actually he never touched the cadia pylons
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:16 UTC
Cost Trazyn valuable collection pieces too ...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:16 UTC
oh cmon, you pokeballed Creed
thats something, aint it?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:17 UTC
That is a recompense for the loss.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:17 UTC
we gave you that winged bint back tho
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:17 UTC
the loss of a human world you didnt give a shit about for.. 60 million years?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:17 UTC
Trazyn never had celestine.
She was dead at the start of Gathering storm.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:17 UTC
he had that inquusitorial bitch
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:17 UTC
Emprah wished her back.
Yea, Trazyn had the inquisitor lady
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:18 UTC
he's tried all the things you mentioned btw
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:18 UTC
couldve kept that one tbh.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:18 UTC
aaah ...
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:18 UTC
but in the end; the stuff i play always makes it into combat with his big guns and it nullifies them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:18 UTC
Trazyn did however
used to have a time-stopped diorama of tyranids.
That was a mistake.
They broke out.
Trazyn's a fun dude.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:20 UTC
I think Trazyn is Szareks long lost son, just playing in Daddys den until he comes back and finds out he's been in the porn stash
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:20 UTC
@skonk - lines of dudes to bubble wrap Onagers.
If your shit flyes, bubble wrap closer so you can't land next to the tanks.
sacrifice the chafe to intercept charges.
This forgebane set has me excited for a new c'tan in 3~ years.
I want the Void Dragon dammit
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:21 UTC
u dreaming son ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:21 UTC
Alright, 6 years.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:21 UTC
Void Dragon would actually give me a mechanical boner.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:22 UTC
Void Dragon C'Tan, Faction: C'Tans, Necrons, Adeptus Mechanicus.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:22 UTC
same here, if only for the collective mind-splosion across Mars when it gets released
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:22 UTC
aye he does all this :)
but the bubble wrap eventually dies
AdMech just aint great at the mo
a lot of the units cost too much
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:22 UTC
What do you run against him?
And does he have Celestine?
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:23 UTC
Death Guard, Custodes, Chaos Daemons (nurgle), Thousand Sons
so far
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:23 UTC
Because you're never wrong to add Celestine in
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:23 UTC
yeh he tends to run celestine, sometimes throws in some assassins
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:24 UTC
Hmm.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:24 UTC
if in doubt ... more robots
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:24 UTC
Ok, here.
More vehicles/robots
Save all CP for auto explosionsd.
God I wish that worked on knights.
even for more CP
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:24 UTC
he uses 3 to 6 robots depending on the list and usually has a pair of dune crawlers
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:24 UTC
would be totally worth it
Buy a Scout Ravager and run that?
That's less than 2k right?
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:25 UTC
he has some of those walker dudes
forgot their names
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:26 UTC
Dragoons.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:26 UTC
onagers ?
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:26 UTC
the 2 legged ones
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:26 UTC
Dragoons are the lance walkers. Ballistari are the lascannon walkers.
I prefer dragoons - even if they are the worse choice.
The lances look cooler and ... it's fucking robot cavalry
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:26 UTC
annoying to paint tho somehow
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 13:29 UTC
infiltrating chicken-lancers is a pretty common tactic in these parts
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:29 UTC
They can infiltrate?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 13:29 UTC
theres a stratagem for it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:29 UTC
oh shit. Never saw that.
I always just flanked them around
The speed and -1 to hit usually meant they got into combat no issue.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Mar 21 2018 13:30 UTC
i'm already having an anurism trying to stop myself splurging on necrons without talk of a void dragon, that would really tip me over the edge
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:30 UTC
I mean ...
Forgebane is a hell of a deal
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:30 UTC
resistance is futile @CloverFox
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 13:30 UTC
yeah, the -1 to hit makes them a real pain to deal with as guard
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:30 UTC
and the new SC Box is neato too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:30 UTC
130$ after 15% retailer discount.
Yea, if you don't want a stalker, the new SC box is far greater value.
Especially since it has a ccb
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:33 UTC
and yeah on forgebane I reckon you could get the Necrons for free after selling the knights on ebay
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:33 UTC
Pretty much
Though I'm thinking I may keep the 4th warglaive ...
I really wish we know if/when the upgrade sprues are coming
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:36 UTC
upgrade sprue ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:38 UTC
Rumors/obviousness/ ... "Missing Sprues"
The armigers will have variants/weapon sprues in the future
for different loadouts.
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:39 UTC
this based on the heads?
i thought the build guide showed 4 heads and the sprues contain 4 heads?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:39 UTC
That'd be the "Missing Sprues" :p
I guess 2 of the ones in the book don't match 2 on the sprue
and there's a B sprue but no A sprue
but besides that ... I mean, it's pretty obvious those will have other variants
I'm guessing with the IK codex.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 13:40 UTC
that'd be weird
since that would imply they have it ready but for some reason are only including a partial kit in the forgebane box
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:42 UTC
So long/short - magnetize your amigers even if they only have 1 arm loadout.
They will have more in the future.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:42 UTC
@Kohato are we due a necron community release today you think ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:43 UTC
? Yea, there will be one every day
1 for each of the 5 dynasties, leading up to pre-order on saturday
Then release on next saturday, 3/31 - just in time for "By the end of march"
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Mar 21 2018 13:43 UTC
i think the main point is that the weapon sprue looks custom made for forgebane as its on a smaller sprue
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:44 UTC
nothing they've shown of the necrons so far has been different from the codex leak has it?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:44 UTC
Profile wise no.
But I never thought those would change.
If anything will - it's points
and a clarification on wtf Deathmarks and Lychguard are.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 13:45 UTC
i think we've had confirmation that lychguard are elites still
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:45 UTC
please be troops .. please be troops .. please be troops .. please be troops .. please be troops .. please be troops ..
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:45 UTC
i'd put money on them being the same as they are in the index
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:45 UTC
Did we?
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:45 UTC
necrons already have 2 troop options
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:45 UTC
is that a hard cap across factions ?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 13:45 UTC
i think it was winters, or a another preview reviewer, confirmed it
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:45 UTC
SM Tacs and Scouts
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:46 UTC
Ah alright. That's good then
I'd be hard pressed to decide lychguard or immortals and just trash all my warriors
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:46 UTC
in larger armies they often have more than 2 but necrons is pretty small compared
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:47 UTC
Lychguard Brigade, novokh
That'd be ... scary I think
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:47 UTC
well, it made me spit my tea
did anything happen that we know, to the beta codex leaker ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:48 UTC
No, and we won't.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:48 UTC
anyone been round to check for polonium
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 13:48 UTC
Nothing will happen to him. He'll just not be a playtester anymore.
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:48 UTC
i very much doubt he was ever a playtester
his channel was tiny
the guy who actually put the leak out
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:49 UTC
friend of a friend job then
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:50 UTC
i also think he's taken the video down
or the video has been removed due to third parties
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:52 UTC
well anyways, I'd have liked a CC troops choice a la, WE Zerkers
with a "Take x dynasty and get Y as troops"
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:55 UTC
Its one of the things missing from Tau too
in 7th, Farsight Enclaves got Crisis Suits as troops
now they dont
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 13:55 UTC
windriders too :P
oh and IG veterans. i'll take them as troops again, please
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:57 UTC
ok, there's certainly a trend there then .. wonder if they did it for WE and then realized the terrible mistake they had made
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:58 UTC
no
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:58 UTC
yeah I've had too much caffeine and can't wait for Necron o'clock
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:58 UTC
Chaos get their cult units as troops
Death Guard get Plague Marines and Thousand Sons get Rubrics... but they have no access to Chaos Space Marines as a unit
WE and Emps Children get Berzerkers and Noise Marines but since it's a standard codex set of armies they still get Marines
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 13:59 UTC
i think with the new detachments its fine to have things that were once troops be moved to a more appropriate slot
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 13:59 UTC
but if they got their own codex they would lose the ability to use marines
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 13:59 UTC
/gulp
don't want to risk losing immortals
forget I said anything
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 14:00 UTC
the idea with those chaos legions is that the basic "troop marine" for WE is a berzerker, for DG it's a Plague Marine etc
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 14:00 UTC
yup I get you now
wonder if there'll be more detachment types in this years CA then ..
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 14:02 UTC
They should change how summoning works
and add a detachment type that you fill with units to summon
and generate CP for the detachment
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 14:02 UTC
i doubt it. unless they make changes to existing detachments, theyve already got all their bases covered
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 14:02 UTC
i think we'd see more use of summoning then
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 14:03 UTC
that certainly makes sense ... get something for playing the summoning game
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 14:03 UTC
the only thing i could see happening is some kind of smaller brigade to bridge the gap from there to battalion
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 14:05 UTC
that was my thoughts, basically a replication of a Decurion size with mid size FA/Elites and maybe at least one DT
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 14:06 UTC
yeh a 6cp detachment would be good
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 14:06 UTC
for those with rather inflated costs for the basic choices ...I wonder how many points I'd need to spend on crons for a battallion
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Mar 21 2018 14:06 UTC
i'd be a lil annoyed if they did since i'm pretty sure they said they wouln't, extra ones for narative/open would be okay
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 14:06 UTC
problem is, the current detachments are a little unfair
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 14:07 UTC
why annoyed @CloverFox ? not like GW haven't ever changed their minds on stuff before
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 14:07 UTC
the jump from the 3 cp to the 9 cp detachment is insane
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 14:07 UTC
^^ this
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 14:07 UTC
and only very select armies can run effective brigades
a midway 6 cp detachment would help
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 14:11 UTC
1425 pt Brigade for crons is next to useless ... 3 Lords, 6 immortals, 3 scarabs, 3 hvy destroyer (models), 3 deathmarks
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 14:13 UTC
doesnt sound that bad. then again, i dont play necrons
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Mar 21 2018 14:17 UTC
@sk_Father_Price_twitter i get annoyed when they do that too XD
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 14:17 UTC
did they say they werent adding any new detachments? or were you referring to the decurion faction-specific thing?
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Mar 21 2018 14:17 UTC
and i think the 3-9 jump is deliberate, the 9cp to me feels like its an apocalypse style org chart not something you would be using at 2k points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 14:18 UTC
You'd think that clover
except some armies easily get that
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 14:19 UTC
i know from experience that guard can comfortably play a brigade at 1k
but that just goes to show how cheap guard 'tax' units are
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Mar 21 2018 14:20 UTC
theres a difference between "can get" and "designed to get"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 14:21 UTC
Necrons can build a somewhat effective brigade
2 Crypteks, 1 overlord, 2x 10 warriors, 4x 5 Tesla Immortals, 2x 3 scarabs, 1x 4 scarabs, Nightbringer, 5 Sword/Board Lychguard, 5 deathmarks, Annihilation Barge, Repair/Gloom Prism Spyder, Doomsday Ark
1997 points.
A good balance of things, though it would suffer against something that can more easily do a brigade with efficient choices.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 14:23 UTC
also depends how effective necron statagems are in practice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 14:23 UTC
Crypteks near warriors, Scarabs wrapping up the nightbringer,
Some will outshine others.
I still am giddy over forcing my scarab base to explode for d3 mortals.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 14:24 UTC
hehe. that one does sound pretty funny
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 14:25 UTC
There are so many better choices than adaptive subroutines now though
I doubt that will ever get used at 2cp
Unless you're running a max unit of wraiths I suppose
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 14:26 UTC
might be able to squeeze in a couple different detaches to get 8-9 CP though with the cost reductions
rather than .. " I have 6" ... the end
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 14:26 UTC
I usually run with 7 at the moment
I'm a huge fan of doomsday arks, so it's usually a Spyder+2 arks and a cryptek in my 1cp detachment
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 14:27 UTC
and we have a WL that can regen them .. so I don't feel so left out against my imperial " I only have 12 CP today" peasant friends
oh and I get 3 back every time YOU spend CP
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 14:28 UTC
I've never found those traits useful.
But that's just my luck on rolls.
Turning my CCB into a sniper is far more tempting.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 14:28 UTC
theyre great if you have a lot of CP, and reliable stratagems to burn them on
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 14:28 UTC
and this relic gets me 5 back if I sing the national anthem
and this guy comes with 9 extra just because
... not bitter
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 14:29 UTC
Imhotek gives +1.
There's that at least.
and he's no longer a LoW :smile:
(In 8th)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:05 UTC
Wraith preview is out
No mention on cost :/ but new profile matches the leak
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:10 UTC
no mention on flayed ones number of attacks either ... so yeah Codex looks to have been 100% so far
though 1CP for S5 is going to be nice
I only have 16 flayed ones
such a filthy casual
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:11 UTC
I still don't want any
Not until they're plastic.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:12 UTC
I got the metal ones .. I dislike the resin ones carrying human bodies ... weird aesthetic
scoured ebay for cheap ones .. took me ages
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:13 UTC
I did notice in beta (not sure if it was in the index) that nightbringer/deciver are listed as characters now
Not that I ever ran more than 1 ... but interesting
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:13 UTC
they are in index
CHARACTER, MONSTER, FLY, C’TAN SHARD OF THE NIGHTBRINGER
CHARACTER, MONSTER, FLY, C’TAN SHARD OF THE DECEIVER
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:14 UTC
Ahh gotcha
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:14 UTC
works well with screens of scarabs or wraiths to get up the table ... I can't recall where I saw it .. but only really made the connection a month ago
about the same time I figured out MWBD works on Destroyers
was a /SMH day
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:16 UTC
It does
However
I'm a huge fan of tesla immortals with MWBD
And with -1 rend on it?
Hoooo boy
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:16 UTC
oh I will be now they have -1 AP
scored 29 hits from 18 shots on my immortals last week ... killed 3.5 terminators lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:17 UTC
Also
guess what doom Scythes have
:D
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:17 UTC
not enough HP ? ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:17 UTC
S7 -1 Tesla? Yes please.
that too :(
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:18 UTC
should be S8
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:18 UTC
S10 -5 Doom cannon now
shit gonna die.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:18 UTC
wounding MEQ on 3 's the same as immortals
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:18 UTC
this is assuming mephrit ... because there are no other options
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:18 UTC
I am not whelmed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:19 UTC
besides a novokh outrider detachment
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:20 UTC
just from a fluff perspective how are we rationalising the mixed Dynasty armies ? I just can't wrap my poor cranium around it yet
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:20 UTC
Unless it's lead by Imhotek? there really isn't fluff for it
Imhotek has been uniting the dynasties under his rule
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:22 UTC
gonna have a hard time explaining it in my local meta, the irony is the main complainant will be the guy that plays imperial soup with Ultras, guard and blood angels
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:22 UTC
It'll be pretty easy if the mixed detachment is canoptek
Your cryptek captured their protocols
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 21 2018 16:23 UTC
true, sounds plausible
Mmmmmmm 2D wraiths ... :) today is almost as good as destroyer day
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:37 UTC
You could easily say your overlord has dominated a lone cryptek of Novokh
and is forcing him to install the protocols on your wraiths/scarabs
Could you explain a mish mash of 3 or more? Probably not unless it's imhotekh leading - but just 1 extra, especially of canoptek should be easy to explain away
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Mar 21 2018 16:44 UTC
different offshoots of one dynasty that specialised but then came back together for a re-union tour
what happens in las cadia stays in las cadia
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 16:46 UTC
No it doesn't.
It's in the warp now.
With Cadia.
zopha
@zopha
Mar 21 2018 17:16 UTC
Warhammer 40k: Mechanicum gameplay - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6XtQP7r7sU
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 21 2018 17:24 UTC
Looks like Fire emblem + XCom
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 18:24 UTC
Looks great
should be lots of fun
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 21 2018 18:58 UTC
ooooooooooh gameplay??
gameplay!
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 18:58 UTC
so yeh... tau = shite
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 18:59 UTC
what incurred that thought @skonk
competitively I think it'll be ghostkeels/stealth/commander Bor'Kan or bust, but casually they look to be fairly decent
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 21 2018 19:06 UTC
@skonk IDK, I've completely wiped DE 1000pts in 3rd turn
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 19:32 UTC
just had a game, they were boring and played like shit is why
markerlights just seem as pointless as they did in the index
the shooting is dissapointing
i also tore a page in the codex so i've thrown it in the bin
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 19:34 UTC
eesh
Well, many factions did change in character quite a bit
I know marines/RG did
so did tyranids, and others on both the ups and the downs
in my case I went from mostly imperial to playing nothing but eldar most of the time
@skonk though rather than binning it, if you're going to get rid of it save yourself some $$ by taping up the page and selling off secondhand
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 20:23 UTC
aye
tekton
@tekton
Mar 21 2018 20:27 UTC
The stealth suit list has been working pretty well; I’ll post mine up after some tweaks tonight. It’s not super easy to play yet but I’ve been doing ok.
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 21:26 UTC
Hey all. What is the best way to contribute to the 40k data files?
I am finding a few minor things in the FW Death Korp file. So far I have been submitting issues, but as I said they are minor things and it seems silly to bother someone else when I have experience editing the files myself...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 21:32 UTC
the best way would be to commit your changes on a fork, then submit a pull request for the maintainer to review
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 21:33 UTC
Sweet, just wanted to check they would be looked at / accepted :)
Thanks
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 21:33 UTC
any time!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 21:36 UTC
@Cultiststeve make sure to give the implementation guidelines on the wiki a once-over. some things in there that aren't immediately obvious and might save some work
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 21:37 UTC
Cheers, will do
James
@skonk
Mar 21 2018 21:46 UTC
apparently GW are doing some big studio preview at adeptacon
i vote sisters of battle
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 21:46 UTC
@WindstormSCR I am looking the page on "collective" weapons. What is the logic about which weapons have a collective variant in the core .gst?
e.g sniper rifles have 2 shared entries, normal and collective
shotguns do not have a collective entry
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 21:47 UTC
ok
so collective flagging is used when you want to increment something (usually a model) and have the equipment be the same for all of them
example: Howling Banshees
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 21:48 UTC
I think i understand the funtionality
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 21:48 UTC
I want to make it so that they increment a power sword for each banshee added
put the sword (collective) on the banshee with min1/max1
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 21 2018 21:48 UTC
@Cultiststeve hey man, @CrusherJoe and I are the guard dudes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 21:49 UTC
then whenever the banshees are incremented, the sword is automatically
however
if you do a collective item on the 'root' of an sse
every single instance of the shared selection entry will also be foreced to take the same selection
example, if you put intercessor auto bolt rifles in the root, and made it collective
it's a tricky thing to use right, aspect warriors are a good example of proper use
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 21:51 UTC
short answer is we create them when we need them, so if theyre not there, we havent needed them yet.
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 21:52 UTC
Thanks both. Think I understand
which entry are the aspect warriors windstorm?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 21:52 UTC
as for the gst, its mostly just imperium/csm stuff thats used by a lot of different factions
aspect warriors are craftworlds. stuff like dire avengers and fire dragons
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 21:54 UTC
I see. So my specific example is veterans within the hades breaching drill squadron. Atm they are displayed individualy.
So the fix is to create frag grenade (collective) and shotgun(collective) within the gst, then use them in the Death korp catalogue
Yes?
Frag and krak (Collective) exists, but no frag (collective) atm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 21:56 UTC
i would do them locally, rather than in the gst
but yes, that sounds like it would fix it
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 21:56 UTC
Localy, sure
thanks
Another one... Frag and Krak grenades (Collective) appears to exist within the gst and the DeathKorp cat. Would it be correct to remove the death korp one, or would this break existing rosters?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 21 2018 21:58 UTC
if anything is using the local one, it will break rosters
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 21:59 UTC
I shall leave that be then
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 22:01 UTC
basically leave removal of things up to the catalog keeper
generally those get a once-over during major FAQ updates that break existing lists anyway
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 22:01 UTC
Makes sense
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 22:34 UTC
I see the guidence that points costs should not be in the .gst but it looks like some are anyway.
Should I just modify the values in the catalogu if they are incorrect or not present?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 21 2018 22:41 UTC
At best just don't use the entries, use shared profiles from gst and make your own entries.
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 22:42 UTC
Alright
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 21 2018 22:56 UTC
the GST stuff is mostly centered on marines and index stuff
where it has the most cross-catalog results
mostly because of the separation of BA/DA/SM/SW/DW
Cultiststeve
@Cultiststeve
Mar 21 2018 23:02 UTC
Alright, pull request is in :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 21 2018 23:49 UTC
I’ll look at it