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28th
Mar 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 28 2018 02:09
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 02:11
we got a FAQ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 02:11
no
not yet
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 02:11
or still delayed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 28 2018 02:11
No not yet
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 02:11
It won't be in march.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 28 2018 02:11
But you know it's coming
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 02:11
Or they wouldn't have posted that delay
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 28 2018 02:12
and HELL'S COMING WITH IT
lol
My new word for those playing that abomination:
FLYHARDS
As I told the group after playing Saturday
"I'll trade multiple bike captains for not having that trash in the meta all day long."
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 02:14
Oh just wait
Metal flavored cheese is coming.
Someone will figure it out
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 28 2018 02:15
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 02:17
haha
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 28 2018 02:18
Best group in Facebook right there
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 02:20
Sad@they said no
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 02:34
if anyone wants to have a play around with the Eldar Overhaul branch and tell me if they can break the ynnari flags
it looks to be all in place
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 02:38
Does it remove the correct rules too?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 02:48
yep
they get hidden
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 02:48
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 02:52
So this is interesting ...
RAW, C'tans can now get warlord traits.
whereas in chapter approved, they could not.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 02:53
my guess: the codex will have a phoenix-lord style exception
can be warlord, but gain no trait
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 02:53
not in the preview dex.
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Here's Chapter approved for comparison
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 02:59
well, we know the beta dex was from december
and early december at that
so its probable that it will be more like CA
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 02:59
And has not changed a lick from the release previews :p
It even has the troops/elites mistake for deathmarks/lychguard
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 03:00
then that will be incredibly disappointing that they've had three months and not dealt with simple shit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 03:01
Tell me about it. It'll all be addressed (hopefully) in the faq
but hey, I had assumed they'd use playtesters to fix things like typos
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 03:02
well, if my necron buddy is there this weekend I'm going to let him run lychguard as troops for novokh just to see how dumb it can get
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 03:02
...
You are a glutton for pain
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 03:02
nah, he'll be fighting alaitoc
I told him to build max cheese
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 03:03
I wonder how many points it would be to do sword/board lychguard as troops in a brigade
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 03:03
taking asurmen + blender autarch
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 03:03
lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 03:07
and ghostaxe wraithblades
going to be a merry old time of melee
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 03:07
So many warlord trait options now.
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 03:08
now check narrative and watch 12 get added to that from the CA traits :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 03:09
Lol, It doesn't do anything in necrons yet :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 03:09
time to fix?
just add the CA sseg
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 03:09
Oh nice
Yea that's easy then
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All traits available if you don't choose a dynastic code for the entire force.
because yay possibilities :(
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 28 2018 03:15
nah, he'll be fighting alaitoc
I told him to build max cheese
Damn it @WindstormSCR I :heart: you man. :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 03:41
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I hate supporting everything sometimes -.-
Warlord Trait Reference Table and C'tan power reference table for those who want to roll random before deployment.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 03:47
And with that, all Warlord Traits and logic is done. Just profiles and points left :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 04:00
@CrusherJoe basically we're both trying to build the cheesiest majority-melee lists we can
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 04:13
Novokh wraiths and scarabs
Mehphrit patrol for -1 Tesla and sniper ccb
Is fw legal?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 04:17
yeah
he doesn't have any though, and the only melee I have from FW is the shadow spec phoenix lord, so I left them out
2k, max cheese, but melee heavy
hmmmm
actually I might go ulthwe
just to get eldrad in on the head bashing
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 04:25
@Kohato @CrusherJoe what I've got so far:
still tweaking
Dire avengers are power glaive exarchs
just use them as a speed bump since they have a 4++ inside the asurmen bubble
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 09:27
@Kohato it got moved to the C'tans' datasheets - they now have an ability that says they cant have a trait
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 10:31
Only transcend does
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 10:32
the shards do too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 10:55
Ohh nvm
Was thinking you meant that table the transcendant gets
Ahh I see it now
good catch
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 10:58
ah, my b. should have seen the comment i was responding to was ~8hrs ago and been more specific
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 11:58
72 hours or so .. so excited
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:12
right boyos... i have my hands on the necron codex
we need any info from it? i could snap individual pages or just rip the whole book to a pdf
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:13
would it be too much effort to check it against the beta dex? :P
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:14
@skonk points points points
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:14
yeah, probably just the points page, if anything
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:15
I'll quickly grab the index points page for a comparison
index Xenos 1
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:19
If you can screengrab it all it’d be great help
But at the very least points.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:20
index better screen
https://i.imgur.com/YUIL9tw.png
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:21
But if you have the whole thing snapped I can get it done tonight :)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:21
so excited
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:29
it's been literally minutes ... @skonk is killing me :shipit:
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:29
I'm building up the antici......
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:30
Yous a sexy ho.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:30
@skonk So SEXY!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:30
And with that, necrons cat will be done tonight :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:30
:clap:
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:33
did the Cryptek have Living metal before now ? .. cause now he does !
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:33
yea he did
Basically if you would think it'd have reanimation
but was a single model unit
it had living metal
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:34
well that's new to me ... I totally could have kept one alive
heheh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:35
Now the fun dance of getting this PDF at work.
Dropbox is blocked. So I save it to my own drop box. Make it available offline. Hope its less than 25mb and email it to myself.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:36
everything looks the same, right down to the lychguard/deathmark error in the points section
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:37
Yea, we knew that was there ... like they didn't even both changing things
Which ... is odd.
that's a serious typo
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:37
yeah, makes you wonder what the point of sending it to testers was
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:38
to feel better.
lol
Good to have confirmation that all's well
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:39
I'm 99% sure they will be elites
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:39
Appreciate ya James!
And yea - I agree
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:39
since they always have been elites
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:39
Troop lychguard would be silly
2W, 2Attack with a -3 weapon, 4++
filling out a brigade.
silly.
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:40
yeh
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:40
the data sheet is the rules, they are still elites ... the points page is just a type setting error :(
unless they meant to change the icon and forgot lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:41
"But but but, the points are for a troops unit!"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:41
yeah, general philosophy of "datasheet over points section"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:41
Not that I am going to let them be troops, but I can't wait for the bug report asking for it
The sun has been lacking fuel.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:42
lmao.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 12:42
I'm back here guys, already fixing FWAA bugs... Well, I actually thought I was the mantainer for IK, so please leave it to me for the next updates
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:42
yeah, still gave me a little hope for this "they're new and gonna play so different"
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 12:42
unless you have objections of course :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:42
No, go for it - you'd kind of vanished and nobody'd added Armigers, so I did :)
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 12:43
So is there in GST a selection for Open Play? I was going to add Land Raider variants to Blood Angels
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:43
Which is when I brought up the question of ownership since it was labled as Thairne's in codeowners.
Aye
Game Type: Narrative/Planetstrike/etc
so just hide unless one of those are selected
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:43
thairne got a little confused when we summoned him for it, so feel free to update CODEOWNERS while youre at it ^^
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 12:43
Oh right, gonna fix codeowners soon :) anyway i'm not very active on gitter but i'm reading and fixing bugs :)
ok good
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:43
Feel free to rejigger the armigers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 12:44
@Crowbar90 please make any GST edits on the EldarOverhaul branch
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:44
I just mirrored my logic/setup in necrons. It works perfectly fine, but may not be the same as the rest of your implementation
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 12:44
Wait, there are selections for Matched or for various kinds of Narrative... so Open is a Gametype with none of those selected
@WindstormSCR I don't think I have to make edits there but I'll be sure to do them on that branch if I do :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 12:45
because its already been edited there with a critical flag for the Ynnari fixes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:45
Both Francesco.
Matched is a checkbox
then narrative is a SSEG
Under Game Type in "No Force Org slot"
but - keep in mind, Matched is not default, so hiding if matched is checked will very likely not do anything as users will probably not check Matched in the first place.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:46
oh @Crowbar90, i should probably mention that we were talking about fixing the "FWAA must be the parent" relic issue
there's a solution up on a branch if you want to take a gander
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 12:46
Yeah @GenWilhelm I read something about that in the email notifications... Is it actually possible?
Oh great, I'll have a look at it!
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:48
is there a branch for necrons that i could grab to test?
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 12:48
So what do you guys suggest? Custom Land Raiders visible and available unless matched or narrative are selected?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 12:48
Its a branch of the EldarOverhaul one, @GenWilhelm nearly made me clean my monitor last night after I thought it was on master lol
hmmm
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:49
Not yet James
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:49
ah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:49
I'm a bad person and do work off of github
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:49
:)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:49
I'll throw up what I have done though. Basically everything but points/profiles.
so ... the things that matter like all the logic.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:50
@Crowbar90 i was thinking max 0 unless you select open play. thats what i did on the other branch :D
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 12:50
hmm, @Crowbar90 probably better to add an open play flag to the GST and then add custom LRs as hidden unless that's checked
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 12:51
Or max0 instead of hidden, so people can find it at all.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 12:52
Ok, so I'll put max0 unless "Open Play" is checked.
For now I'll add all profiles and options to BA catalogue, then I'll add the option in GST in @WindstormSCR 's branch
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:53
There ya go @skonk k
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:53
ta
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:54
Basically all I have left is profile changes and point edits, which i'm working on now :)
so please try to break any validation you can.
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:54
cool
i'll shall give it a poke
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:54
I've made it ... thorough
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 12:54
careful poking it .. it'll get back up and eat ur face ... like a good little 'cron
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 12:55
@Kohato v999? :D What's with that?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:56
So that when I throw it on my dropbox to test mobile it takes priority over BSData's
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:56
will you be filtering the HQ's out based on dynastic code selection btw?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:57
Yea, that'll be a simple hide.
But, only if you have Dyanastic Code selected.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 12:57
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:57
Because if you don't, I'm assuming you have a multiple dynasty detachment.
Basically, selecting a dynastic code tells the cat: "This Force is mono-dynasty"
and enforces restrictions.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 12:57
@GenWilhelm was the FWAA fix merged to eldar branch or still open?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 12:58
Same assumption in T'au. Just didn't yet implement character limitations
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 12:58
yeh
I'm all for anything that helps people not make mistakes in the list :) hiding invalid stuff is always nice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 12:58
Then I have a "ALL WT" and "ALL C'tan Powers" in No Force Org
so people can add it and roll for things.
Was a somewhat clean way to support that argument.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 12:59
@WindstormSCR not merged yet. didnt want to step on anyones toes :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:00
might as well merge it to my branch if @Crowbar90 likes the implementation
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 13:00
Isn't that too much around that branch? @WindstormSCR what was the change in GST?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:01
A flag I had to add to make validation work for splitting out Ynnari
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 13:01
I'm still working on my private fork, so I can merge where you want :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:02
which is now referenced in 20+ places across 4 eldar cats
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 13:02
Can't this be merged into master so we can all proceed with development from/to master ?
Just the GST?
I can do that if you want :D
Just to make sure: it doesn't affect anything on global scale - just a shared entry?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:03
sure, it does have a few minor DE framework peices though that i had to add in for future proofing when sorting out the logic
its a single SSE yes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:10
@amis92 I wasn't expecting this sudden burst of GST editing and asked before i did the edit on branch, so i claim minimal responsibility. I just don't want to redo all the references
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 13:13

Hmm. Is that only you working on EldarOverhaul? Can I force-push and change history? It'd be much easier, I could then switch two first commits so that gst-modifying one is first, merge just that one into master, and then when you finish you'll have a clean merge situation.

This will require you to refresh the branch in git, easiest solution being simply re-cloning entire repo.

WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:30
Uhhhhh
i've done a Huge amount of work
and I'm not very github-proficient
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 13:31
You mean like, not yet commited?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:31
its all comitted
so if you want to master merge it, you could
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 13:32
Cool. So I'll do stuff (no worries, nothing'll be lost) and give you a signal when history' rewritten. You can then delete the repo and clone again afresh.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:33
Its just a branch, i'll use a different one for the drukhari work then
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 13:33
The point is, the history on that branch will change. If you branch off of it as it is now, it'll create conflicts again.
So, the branch will stay, it'll just appear kind of like it was branched off of master after GST editing commit.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 13:36
Will that be okay @WindstormSCR ? You'll just need to re-clone the repo and checkout again onto the branch EldarOverhaul (which will stay on server, but with different commit history)
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 13:38
Ok, I added all the logic for custom LRs so I'll just wait until GST is ready for changes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:47
@amis92 at this point I'm just going to wait until you're done then make a new branch off master
for DE work
and that probably not until tomorrow
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 13:49
But, but... wasn't Eldar Overhaul supposed to include DE changes?
Mind you, EldarOverhaul won't be merged to master
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:50
it was, but all thats there right now is kabal/coven selection framework
which could be merged without incident
it doesn't affect anything and theres no logic tied to it yet except the Ynnari tag in that section
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 13:51
So it's not good, Ynnari were purged
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:52
??
thats the point of this
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 13:52
But it's not ready to be released, is it?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:52
the current overhaul can be merged to master
I did DE last, and they have no real new stuff in there
I was waiting for more previews before doing much of anything to them
no changes to existing units or wargear, only additions were some logic placeholders for whatever ends up happening with Coven/Wych Cult traits
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 13:58
because it wouldn't let me save with empty SEGs
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:00
@WindstormSCR I've pushed a new branch named eldar-overhaul. This contains exaclty the same changes as EldarOverhaul did. I'll delete, or you can, EldarOverhaul, as it's no longer necessary.
@Crowbar90 the GST is updated on master. Proceed.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 14:05
Ok :) on it!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 14:07
@amis92 how does this work with the branch that was branched off EldarOverhaul? will we just have to redo the commit?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:09
Oh, that's not good. What branch was?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 14:09
See!
See! This is why I work off of github.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 14:10
relic-unit-validation-rework
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:11
@Kohato great for you, although I don't really know what you mean by "I work off of github" xD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 14:12
I was joking - I don't work with branches like I probably should. but now there's issues with branches within branches and branchception.
I feel vindicated :p
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:13
@GenWilhelm not a problem really, I'll just rebase your commit onto fresh master and create new branch for you to continue work on. I just need to assert that you don't have other uncommited and/or unpushed changes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 14:14
@amis92 he and I both tend to work local then push straight to master lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 14:14
nope, thats it
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:14
:clap: fine by me :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 14:15
only reason i ever work on branches is if i want someone else to take a look at it before it goes on master :D
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 14:17
ok wait, don't merge it
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:18
O-OOOH wait, @GenWilhelm @Crowbar90 aren't you both working on FWAA+GST?!
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 14:19
it's ok, what i did on FWAA took literally two minutes so it can be undone
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 14:21
we were working on different parts, so is a merge not possible?
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 14:21
It's faster if I just make my changes over your file
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:21
It might be, you tell me xD
@gen
oops
I think @GenWilhelm is not finished yet, so it might be a better idea for @Crowbar90 to push/merge, and I'll fix up @GenWilhelm's changes if need be.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 14:23
i was finished on the changes i wanted to make, there was just some funky business with branches
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:23
Or, @Crowbar90 you could make changes you wanted to on @GenWilhelm 's branch
Okay
hm
So we can merge all this together I guess?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 14:24
did you open a new branch?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:24
yep, and then promptly closed ;D
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 14:24
Just wait a minute, I should be able to integrate everything in a single PR
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:25
Oh, please don't merge in relic-validation
I've pushed the rebased branch, fwaa-relic-unit... branch, please use that.
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 14:27
I was going to create a new branch actually
I see your new branch, I'm going to use that one
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 14:29
Okay. I hope you can close it up nicely, I think I've caused enough trouble today already. I've overdriven "git gud" levels.
amis92 @amis92 hides back into shadows using Stealth mode
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 14:31
aha, I knew you were Stygies!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 28 2018 14:56
I'm so glad I've been travelling...
Finally caught up with the chat (I think...)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 14:58
there were many words ...some of them I understood, and good people on both sides ... many good people
@FarseerVeraenthis where you been ? anywhere fun and exciting ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 15:02
The only thing that really matters
Is that Skonk screencapped the crondex and i'm finishing up the cat file now :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 28 2018 15:07
Where is the magical screencap? :)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 15:07
I'm transdimensionally translocating my support to you, as I'm much more interested to play Necrons than Tau :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 15:07
Like ... wayyyy up there
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 15:07
@Kohato of all the data maintainers, is by far my favourite ... by some margin.. not saying you other guys are less superior .. just he's more superior
aww, thanks. I love me too.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 15:08
now hurry up and dance .. .dance code-monkey dance !
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 28 2018 15:10
lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 15:10
I'm on the easy/tedious part now - verifying profiles, and point checking/changing. So hopefully by this afternoon i'll be done for you plastic crackheads
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Mar 28 2018 15:10
You've brought happiness to one old geek that has decided to start Crons after all the noise I made about them
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 15:11
I'd MSPaint it .. but the boss is watching
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 15:12
lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 15:27
Oh ... no-one caught that. Canoptek Stalker. The flamer version of the heat ray is now 2d6 rather than d6
that's nice
Francesco Venturoli
@Crowbar90
Mar 28 2018 15:35
If anyone wants to try it, #2735 should be fine
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 28 2018 15:38
@sk_Father_Price_twitter depends on your definition of "fun and exciting"... I've been to Berlin, well, the office just outside Berlin with work, stayed in Potsdam.
Both Berlin and potsdam are lovely places with lots to do NONE OF WHICH I HAVE DONE! because of work...
Basically fly in one morning, work like an bitch until late at night, repeat in the morning and fly out in the afternoon
BUT it is always better to be out of the office than confined to the same four walls permanently :smile: so I can't complain too heavily... :+1:
Anyway, enough about me, @WindstormSCR just merge all the things into master, why not, it won't be released for a few days yet...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 15:44
@FarseerVeraenthis @WindstormSCR hemlock is 210 right?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 28 2018 15:54
Hemlock is 200 in the codex not including wargear
Which is spirit stones @10 points
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 15:56
Yes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 28 2018 15:56
So, 210 total, lemme just check CA mind
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 15:56
Kk though so
One of my locals is trying to pull the it’s not war gear it’s an ability card again
Ugh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 15:57
oh god
tell him to kindly fuck off with that shit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 28 2018 15:58
Yeah, it's definitely 210
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 16:06
Hurmph. Can someone remind me where do we have some official text on topic? I think I've got a similar thing with SkyRay, which has Ability of Velocity Tracker - I think currently it's not being paid for, points wise.
Not that anyone uses that hot piece of garbage of a model, but still.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 16:10
If it has an entry in the wargear section that gives it points
it's wargear.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 16:10
@alphalas you have a stale branch unused since 4 months, but there are some unmerged changes. Can you delete if it's unnecessary?
@Kohato but but is there any hint at that being the case in some FAQ, errata, DC or any other place?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 28 2018 16:11
i believe the original word we were going by was a facebook response that said something along the lines of "if it has an entry in the points section, you must pay for it"
idk if made its way into an official faq
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 16:11
I don't believe it's printed anywhere other than a FB response way back when.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 16:12
ehh. I sure will change that, was just hoping it's been cleared up :<
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 16:12
But at some point, a modicum of common sense is needed.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Mar 28 2018 16:12
Oh, I agree :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 16:13
This thing has points in the wargear section, but the dataslate doesn't say it's "equipped" with it ... soo ... it's free right?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 16:16
@amis92 I don’t even remember wtf that branch was
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 28 2018 16:56
Th
Some of the Coven stuff from today's preview is pretty brutal.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 17:25
@amis92 I'm on mobile but the "if it costs you pay for it" was listed in the SM faq, and they updated the "is equipped with" lines to make it clear that they're wargear not abilities
@alphalas check the codex "is equipped with" line and the craftworlds FAQ
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 18:00
Huh. Spyders have fly now ...
That's nice.
and failed scarab pooping is only 1 MW now :)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 18:34
@Kohato spyders and scarabs fly, I missed the 2D6 heavy flamer heatray .. nice ! and I guess I have zero reason to field the nightbringer instead of a Transcendent C'tan now .. that thing is a beast ...same cost ...I don't understand .. but I like
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 18:34
It's so so good now
You essentially trade the random traits for their fixed benefits
Scythe/Gaze is still beastly
But that takes place of the random traits.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 18:36
yeah, I'll take 5/6 of those traits and lose a shooting attack ... or just take 2 c'tan powers thank you kindly sir !
ignore cover is probably the weakest
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 18:36
always was
transcendant doesn't want to be in melee.
Nightbringer does.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Mar 28 2018 18:37
NB is a demon prince killer if it fights first ... and the DP has a weak invuln ,,,
anecdotal experience says the C'tan dies first though 90% of the time
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 18:39
I use them very differently than most people.
To me they are walking bombs with psyker powers of death.
If they get punches off, awesome. Otherwise those sweet sweet explosions are what I love.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 18:45
well, you mean non-denyable psyker powers :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 18:45
si.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 18:45
@amis92 so which branch is the correct one for continuing work?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 18:45
My c'tans rarely do all that much in melee. NB does good work every now and then
it's the Mortal Wound spam that they do
then the great necrodermis acid
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 18:45
Tesseract Vault is crazy now
28w with a 4++
and the power boost
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 18:46
mmmhmm
Mine will be coming off the shelf.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 18:52
Nevermind...
Damn Github desktop being awful
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 18:54
3 more categories, then points pass
and g2g :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 18:54
hmmm
so
I'm curious to see if the coven/kabal/wych cult thing is "pick 3" or is "Only get one if the detachment is all <Thing>"
because the second version will be a giant pain in the butt
tekton
@tekton
Mar 28 2018 19:00
For rules checking, is there anything that says that units from different detachments can’t load up in a transport from another detachment?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 19:00
Usually <Faction>
otherwise no.
IE: Ghost arks can only load same dynasty things
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 19:01
Same with chimeras iirc
Valks are Astra militarum, chimeras are <regiment>
tekton
@tekton
Mar 28 2018 19:02
Same with start the game in, correct?
My argument was if they match the requirements they can start the game in the transport regardless of different detachments
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 19:03
Correct
I believe the Transport slot is per detachment however.
Meaning you can't (for whatever reason you'd want to) put 5 transports in 1 batallion with 3 troops just because you have a 2nd batallion with 3 troops.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 28 2018 19:05
Yeah and have to have other things to take it, that part is easy to point to rules on ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 28 2018 19:05
I'm waiting for the wych cult preview... I don't like the covens
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 19:05
but you can run 3 chimeras for 3 units of russes though ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 19:21
@tekton yeah, but remember transported units don't count as part of having 50% of your army on table
for whatever dumb reason
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 19:22
Same reason they can't be targeted or affect the table in any way
They don't exist
Unless you're open topped
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 19:25
I'm just saying it makes mechanized armies basically impossible because of characters
unless you are explicitly taking sufficient bike/speeder/tank units to make up the difference
and it messes with reserved deployments
one of the biggest problems I've run into playtesting my 2k list for the event @alphalas was trying to get me to go to
@FarseerVeraenthis let me paint you a picture
the new -LD coven
hemlock
shadow Spectres + Irrylth
phantasm grenade launcher
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 19:28
Bam, profile changes done :) Now for points pass.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 19:28
leadership tests on 2d6 drop lowest, at -7
necrons can't renaimate if they run like babies
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 19:29
Still not sure why a necron would run
they don't get scared
they get repaired
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 19:30
because spooky elf ghosts :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 19:30
I believe necrons allied with, then enslaved an entire race of space vampires just to kill spooky elf ghosts.
Then went to sleep.
For a long time.
Except Szerekh.
He went on a bug hunting trip.
He didn't like what he found. He's coming back now.
When you break things down, 40k is weird.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 20:23
Ok, Necrons cat is finished*
It's uploaded to a new branch - Necrons-Codex. Please break it like it's Slaaneshi
And let me know what needs fixing.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 20:24
Ok so
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 20:24
Or what you think could improve it.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 20:24
@amis92 @WindstormSCR thoughts on the FW hammerheads?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 20:24
haven't looked at them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 20:25
Or @Kohato or @skonk for that matter lol
Hold on I’ll screencap them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 20:25
@WindstormSCR @skonk @sk_Father_Price_twitter @amis92 I know you four at least have interest in playing robot friends if you'd mind breaking it.
What about FW Hammerheads?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 20:30
@alphalas
First impressions:
Heavy bombard: Utter Crap (too expense)
Fire Support Plas: could be decent-ish with longstrike, but the ionhead does the job for cheaper with 1 less ap
Fire Support Twin HBC: ripdtide does the same job better since it got a profile buff in codex
Fir Support Twin Fusion: too expensive when you could use a ghostkeel with fusion collider instead
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 20:31
the heavy bombard used to be the better skyray
but they took away it’s VT
now i agree it’s kinda garbage
i’m kinda hoping the fire support HBC gets the same HBC buff as the tide
James
@skonk
Mar 28 2018 20:34
I've not really looked into the FW hammerhead things
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 20:37
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 20:39
200 pts base I assume?
Not terrible, Not sure i'd run them, apart from it being FW and likely expensive as shit.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 20:42
i got the plasma off z and made my own HBC - i had like 6 recast HBCs laying around lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Mar 28 2018 20:42
those are the only two versions worth using imo
the plasma is the most "usable" since it has an extra shot and AP over the ion
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 20:44
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 20:45
Whats this from, fires of cyraxus?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 20:45
index xenos
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 28 2018 20:46
ohh existing things ok
thought something from fw was leaked
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 20:47
no i’m just playing around with my mechtau list
because mechtau lol
still waiting on the last points screencap to upload >,<
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 20:54
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 21:02
there we go
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 28 2018 23:41
Is it sad I’m actually thinking about getting another devilfish and converting it into the drone harbinger from DoW?