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2nd
Apr 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 00:48
@Kohato why is it the machine-men players seem to be the least capable of actually using the no force-org logic elements?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 01:09
That's not even using the no force-org logic ...
that's just not reading your codex.
... or any codex.
But hey, getting these out of the way early
easy to link as duplicates now :p
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 02:08
Okay not sure if y'all are interested or not, but:
The "Chris" on the right one of my best friends (and the provider of the DE points spreadsheet)
He's been giggling like a schoolgirl over the new DE book
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 02 2018 02:11
@CrusherJoe is that our own Fischer?
Also BoLS is so nicely spartan and sleek with adblock on :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 02:16
No that's Carlile
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 02 2018 02:16
yeah that’s who i meant
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 02:16
And yes it is. I :heart: uBlock Origin
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 02 2018 02:16
fischer is the ig who poofed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 02:17
Do you have any idea how shocked I was to find out that Facebook has ads?
Yeah Fischer poofed
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Apr 02 2018 12:24
@CrusherJoe you posted a picture of a wolf themed knight here a while ago.. is that a fluff house or something made up by you?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 12:34
afaik there's no house aligned with any chapter directly
Freeblades or former household knights frequently swear oaths to chapters though
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Apr 02 2018 12:38
ok thx. i tried to find one since i got 3 armiger as honour guard for björn. that would explain why i didnt find anything..
i thought maybe something from alaric prime since it is next to fenris, but the fact they have laws like "no yawning during daylight", made me somehow doubt that they get along well will the wolves^^
maybe i should wait for the knight codex anyway.. the fluff in baneblade sounds like there could be more armiger variants coming which might need magnetizing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 12:42
Even the box makes it seem liek there is.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Apr 02 2018 12:42
yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 12:42
The main body sprues are all bonded together.
The weapon sprue is separated
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Apr 02 2018 12:43
probably one new knight kit that makes some variants and an armiger box with variants. would be the cheapest way to get the codex full for gw
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 12:44
Or they could go super awesome for everyone and make the new knight include all the weapon variants in one box
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Apr 02 2018 12:48
well since you can get upgrade kits from recasters..^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 12:48
I know. I need to find one to order a handful of them too
But It'd be handy if we didn't have to do that and it'd all be in the box
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Apr 02 2018 12:51
indeed. this "get everything in one kit but crusader extra because of one weapon" thing sucks.. lucky me got a knight for 50 euro from a shop that closed. now i just have to wait for my upgrade kit to build a crusader to go along with the baby knights.
is there a way to write a pm to you?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 12:55
My problem was I got the old double knight kit a couple years ago and a warden box
So I have a mish mash of weapons.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 02 2018 13:41
#2756 wtf?
What rock has this asshole been living under?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 13:42
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 02 2018 13:43
That was literally the source of Guard nerdrage from CA
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 13:47
Poor guy
Only 5 months late.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 02 2018 14:17
@alphalas Not everyone realizes that game FAQs and Updates occur.... We all know that each of these products is a perfect snowflake that never needs changing ever and will stay that way until a completely brand new 9th edition comes out ... ducks
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 14:22
I've always wondered/had suspicion, that the random bugreps that come in are a result of someone getting beat by a list they didn't think was fair
Like, why does the scout biker sergeant have a combi plasma? That's totally not fair.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 14:42
Also ... people will eventually figure out why there are no daemons in DG :/
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 02 2018 15:04
Perhaps they just "Need to carry a sign"? If not, maybe we could give them one?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 15:45
@amis92 Is there any way we can removed just "Labeled" updates from the activity bar? Since we've updated the repo to have an exhaustive set (which is awesome), Each issue raised usually leads to 3 labels ... kind of fills up that activity bar quick.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Apr 02 2018 15:45
I'll see
That's the granularity:
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So I guess it's all under "Issues" together with them being opened/closed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 15:52
ah, oh well.
Thanks for looking
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 20:48
hmm
Triarch Stalkers have no <DYNASTY> keyword
or Praetorians
odd
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 02 2018 20:49
Because theyre triarch
triarch has always (heh, always as in since the retcon) been outside dynasties
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 20:50
^
They are servents of Szerekh
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 20:50
ive not had chance to read the dex yety
yet^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 20:50
Triarch units owe no allegience to individual Dynasties and serve only the Triarch.
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 20:50
so how does that effect detchment building?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 20:50
It doesn't.
They are exempt.
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 20:50
you can have units with no dynasty and it doesnt mess up?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 20:50
As are c'tans, who also have no dynasty
They are called out
specifically
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 02 2018 20:51
same as every guard unit that don’t have <regiment>
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 20:51
the 3 c'tans and both triarch unit
It's why neither are really worth taking in 8th
especially now with Dynastic Codes.
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 20:52
odd
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 20:52
The Stalker has a case for it in a very shooty list. Hell a few of them would be good.
Praetorians however ...
Just build lychguard.
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 20:52
ive got 5 lychguard but 2 kits worth from forgebane to build at some point
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 20:53
You get more benefit from destroyers than praetorians.
Similar weapon profiles, longer threat range, and dynastic codes.
Build one as lychguard to get a unit of 10, then build the other as praetorians to have at least one unit ... complete the collection. Or build as lychguard and buy another box.
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 20:54
i have a unit of both already
i have atleast 1 unit of everything necrons have
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 20:55
Oh. Then pure list building, I'd suggest buying another box of lychguard and getting 2 units of 10.
(10 from your forgebanes, and 5 extra to round out your existing 5)
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 20:55
yeh its tempting
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 20:55
Or just sell one sprue from forgebane and make some money back
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 20:55
:)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 02 2018 20:56
So basically, I offered every option you have with no help whatsoever.
Glad to help.
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 20:56
lol
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 21:04
did the washes on some guard im painting but id forgot to paint some black details in hard to reach places....
so its now very risky to add them
tekton
@tekton
Apr 02 2018 21:14
I need to make some orders for turrets from forgeworld...but i don't want to buy things until the FAQ hits in case there's more things I want... shakes fist at faq writers
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 22:13
i wish github forced people to enter a valid email address before they can post issues. I'm convinced anon posters don't see the replies
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 22:21
anyone use Assassins much?
picked up some decently painted ones from the chap who runs my local shop, to add to my Custodes but I'm not really up on how best to use em
tekton
@tekton
Apr 02 2018 22:23
they're quite good with Custodes
pretty much use them exactly as you think you should given their rules...they're deceptively easy and straight forward
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 22:23
:)
i'd just been brushing up on the rules for em
i guess with the culexus I'd either DS him in near some enemy psykers or have him march along with Greyfax depending on what im against
tekton
@tekton
Apr 02 2018 22:32
The Eversor charge range is no joke, it's fun using it to hop, skip, and jump behind a screen near an objective
of the 4 the Callidus is the one I've gotten the least milage out of :( the Culexus and Eversor though, they get the job done
The Vindicare is interesting. really seemed to annoy the chaos player i was up against for some reason ./whistle
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 02 2018 22:35
@skonk the anon don’t even come from GitHub; the anon come from the app
there is no connection between git login and the app
trust me i’ve tried lol
thats a complaint for @Jonskichov
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 22:37
ah
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:03
The Vindicare has been useless to me unless I'm fighting elves
That's why it's on the shelf right now -- too much squeeze for WAY too little juice
The Culexus (aka, "The Cooze") has been good. Haven't done the Eversor thing, and I keep wanting to try Callie out
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:06
i think i'll just stick all 4 in for a couple of games and try them
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:06
yeah, ive played around with them a bit, and i'd agree with those assessments
the vindicare is too easy to play around in my experience, they just put their important guys out of LOS
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:07
The Vindi is a mystery to me. I don't understand why it doesn't just deal mortal wounds
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:09
eversor is the best of the bunch, and the only one thats really guaranteed to do at least something. callidus is also quite good if your opponent doesnt screen well enough
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:09
Callidus from what I've seen has two major things beyond statline effect:
it can cause problems for things that rely heavily on first-turn strats (BA), and forces screens around vulnerable characters to be tighter
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:10
If ONLY Callie worked on pre-game strategems
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:10
it would be busted good if that were the case
one-in-every-imperial-list good
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:10
I find myself growing tired of all the damned deep striking
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:11
heh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:11
and as pointed out by many with Agents of Vect, breaks some armies. Like daemons
they were crap before they got the pregame DS strat
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:11
yeah, daemons dump 90% of their CP before/deployment
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:11
outside of one or two highly monobuild lists
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:11
it would ruin them
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:11
does the DE strat work before game?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:12
no
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:12
ah
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:12
Vect does not
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:12
thing is, it refunds the CP anyway unless they roll a 6 doesnt it?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:12
Agents of Vect is going to get tiresome
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:12
and the daemons strat isn't once per game
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:12
works on anything that isn't "before the battle" or "during deployment"
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:12
so it wouldn't really matter if it could be used before game
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:12
it would
webway strike
can only be used once
and would break entire lists
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:12
i just meant vs daemons
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:12
for three factions
this is the problem with the risk being taken out of DS
you have to CP gate it or make it cost a lot more
and that cost is heavily dependant on how much the unit benefits from it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:14
yeah, idk if you'd drop 3 CP to stop each unit deep striking, but a callidus would mess them up pretty bad
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:14
3 CP to drop in 2 bike captains seems about right
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:14
tbh they should have left deepstrike as it was
scatter and all
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:14
They also need to bring back the old reserve system
So you can just walk units onto the table (not deep strike)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:15
yeah, i kinda agree. T1, guaranteed to arrive, no risk of mishaps
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:15
Last game I played yesterday was against a fellow guard player
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:15
I don't mind reserves showing up when you decide, the loss of variability there isn't a bad thing. but I agree the ability to not just straight reserves by choice from table edge is... strange
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:15
He took like 7 tanks
No arty
I demolished him because Basi and Manti
...and, oh yeah, I seized on him
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:16
that's the funny thing. I'm seeing more and more and more lists trying to lean heavily towards all T7+ or no T7+
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:16
And Bike captains kept his other tanks tied up while I focus fired the others down
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:17
Custodes biker captains and vertus with full strat support represent another unique problem
they have to be like that to be worth taking
but are also incredibly awful to play against because of things like tying up tanks
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:17
I'm thinking about adding some more bikes -- but as regular Vertus
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:18
I'll be honest and say that's one of the things that playing eldar has spoiled me on. the ability to just withdraw and fire at will
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:18
Because I've got the feeling the nerf bat is gonna swing hard on HQ spam
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:19
they better be careful how they word it, or CWE are going to be broken
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:19
...and I'm okay with that.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:19
and in the bad way
same with DE
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:19
What do you mean "the bad way"?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:19
make all "main" HQs 0-1 per detachment?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:19
if they say "can't double up on hqs in detachment" flatly, then DE battalions no longer function
they'll be forced to use the raiding party thing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:20
Neither can Guard -- at least not as intended, I don't think
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:20
guard have loads of viable HQs
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:20
limits craftworlds to 3-4 warlocks max (I usually run 4-5)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:21
Do they, though?
The company commander is the only real generic choice for leading
The lord commissar is actually WORSE to take for your army now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:22
company commander, tank commander, primaris psyker, tempestor prime
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:22
The tempestor is only if you're using Scions
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:22
thats 4 that are good, 3 if you dont count the TP
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:22
The primaris...do we really need to encourage people to take more of them?
And the Guard army is built on the foundation of strats and orders
If you take that away things get real sucky, real quick
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:23
custodes would be fucked if they dick about with HQ's
i wish they would jusat leave the fuck alone
save all this bullshit for once all the codexes are out
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:24
So between now and then we just let 7 flyrants roflstomp everything?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:24
my honest solution?
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:24
there has been 1 event with loads of flyrents
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 02 2018 23:24
Yes.
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:24
the big event before it was all ynarii
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:24
add a ban of the supcom detachment to the "tournament suggestions" box along with the detachment limits
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:24
In the US, yes
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:24
shit changes without needing to fuck with rules
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 02 2018 23:24
and if it doesn’t?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:25
@skonk @alphalas @CrusherJoe the missions being used all heavily change whats good too
Adepticon made GW shit a brick because they were much closer to BRB/CA missions than ITC format
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:25
basing anything on what happens in tournament is nonsense; it's a microcosm where people will tend to copy whatever they perceive as being the best and so the top ranking folk end up all using the same stuff
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:26
and they realized at the UK GT that they had some other problems as well
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:26
I play Diablo 3 a lot right, it has a ladder system that anyone can view
people look at the top ranked players and copy their build
then before you know it the ladder is full of that same build
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:26
because outside of the other tournament formats, they found that armies with turn-1 mass-melee capability were cleaning house
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:26
till someone beats them all with a different build
then everyone copies that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:28
I think it's good they at least seem to realize that there is a difference between results that the BRB/CA missions will generate and the Tournament formats
and the one justification I have seen for HQ limits pretty much reads: "We want HQs to be awesome, but if they stay awesome and spammable that's all anyone will ever take"
"So they either get less awesome or get restricted"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:29
yeah, thats why i was scratching my head at all the tears over the tau commander restriction
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:29
which is the same logic that spawned the original 0-1/0-2 type restrictions on some units in 4th ed
like stormtroopers
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:30
limit this, limit that....
we end up with Formations from 7th
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:30
for IG used to be crazy good back then and were 0-1 unless you took a specific doctrine, and you could only choose 5
@skonk done right you wind up with 4th ed codex, not formations
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:31
I'd say 5th
5th was magical LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:31
it was present in both
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:31
I loved it
It may be time to consider going back to the FOC
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:31
5th was a strange fusion of some pretty nice rules and a pretty shitty set of company attitudes/policies
I mean, detachments are already a semi-return to the FoC
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:32
...while making the best of things spammable
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:33
I think they just needed to not make it "3 FA 1HQ" and instead have made something closer to the old allied detach
thing is, we should not forget that even with force org, things were still spammed
if it was good, it took all three slots
and the other things in those slots never showed up
so there is a middle ground in there somewhere
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:35
You only get one of each type, except Troops -- take all of those you want
(and then it's spess muhreens and daemons for days)
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:35
or just leave it alone till all the rules are out, let things settle and then make changes if needed once a big enough sample of data has been collected
this 1 event then nerf stuff is idiotic
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:35
I'd say we're pretty close to that point
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:36
It's not just one event, though
Yes Adepticon was very public and really shone a light on it, but ETC has been preaching flyrant spam for a while now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:36
because the next three codexes (and arguably drukhari) have to be written with the way lists are built in mind
since they are pretty oddball
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:37
My boy Chris did a battle report on bols Twitch today -- he did the 6 patrol detachment thing
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:37
deathwatch has some of the same issues both daemons do while also having the issues shared by all MEQ. Harlequins are as strange as DE, and knights are going to be weird AF
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:37
He had some very, very awful dice rollin' tho -- he called me after to tell me about it.
Drop Knight prices by 100 points, give 'em all 4++, done
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:38
<cries in wraithknight>
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:38
Same for the WK
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:38
you'd have to drop it more than 100
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:38
Though my boy Chris won quite a few local events with his double WK list
Because as it turns out, if you play multiples of things that are hard to kill, it messes with people's minds
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:38
probably simply because of people not expecting to have to deal with 48 T8
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:39
Honestly the reason I like the Banana Hammock is not because they're super killy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:39
but at the same time, I play in a very armor-heavy local meta
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:39
I mean, they are, vs infantry
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:39
the thing that kills me
is that knights are cheaper, yet have a default 5++ with capability to go to 4++
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:39
But because they force my opponents to deal with them, and that leaves the rest of my army unmolested and able to get work donw
done
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:39
ive lost more with the custards than I did with my DG, but I'm finding the custards more fun at the mo
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:39
damn fingers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:40
WKs are the same statline, get fewer weapon options, and have to pay for the 5++
James
@skonk
Apr 02 2018 23:40
i may find it more fun though because I'm potentially losing to people who were never beating me before
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:40
and yet cost more
if I take the sword, I have to enter melee, which takes multiple turns and will likely not make back close to value
the suncannon is laughably bad except against primaris or GK, and then has to kill 4+ units to even come close to making half value (I use half as a barometer because nothing makes full value ever)
exception is if the guy is dumb enough to feed you a 10-man paladin unit
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe eyes his manticore and basilisk and kinda casually shuffles his feet.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:43
guard artillery are the exception, along with spears, dark reapers and hellblasters, because they all share high-str multi-damage weapons on fragile platforms
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:43
I need to try a 3 manticore build and see if it's really better than the 1 manti/1 basi/LR I'm using now
I :heart: Shining Spears
I love seeing them on the other side of the table
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:44
and the double wraithcannon loadout is just dumb because vs a T8 target it does 40% less wounds vs the exact same cost worth of three UNLINKED fire prisms, and has no invlun
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:45
"Yes, yes, webway portal them in, get closer to me with them....let me feed them to a Cyclops."
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:45
Eldar players fault for not knowing what a cyclops is and shooting it first
:P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:45
Like I keep them in plain sight
Nope they stay safely tucked away until it's boom-boom time
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:46
Eldar rule #1: know your target priority. if your target priority is blocked, fix the problem
or make it so said target cannot do its job somehow
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:46
I also found out that Banana Hammock cures Dark Rapers.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:46
the thing about spears is if there is a good trade target, sometimes it will make sense to suicide them
well, yes. anything with high-speed melee is a problem for reapers
see the flyrant list butchering them handily in Adepticon
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:47
"Yes, please do blow that forewarning on the 2+3++ guy...there's another one coming right after him..."
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:48
that's the thing my local meta hasn't figured out yet
my 5 dark reapers are there to be a boogeymen distraction
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:48
The rumor mill is saying the change to Dark Rapers is they'll have max unit size of 5
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 02 2018 23:49
the real work is done with fire prisms and other units
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 02 2018 23:49
Honestly I usually kill Reapers with basi/manti fire. That cover save won't save you vs -3 AP LOL
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 02 2018 23:51
changing the max unit size will only nerf ynnari. round here, reapers are all min sized so they can fit in as many tempest launchers as they can