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4th
Apr 2018
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 00:00
And it has a different base size configuration.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:00
It didn't always
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:01
that died back in 5th
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:01
I know, I know
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 00:01
They all were on 60’s? Wow those are some huge guardsmen...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:02
of which I am fully aware because when I built my IG in 4th, it was as 6 guys on 25mms with the weapons on 40s in the case of mortars
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:02
....I have some of those
I finally found the image I'm going to put on waterslide paper for my Shadowsword
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:03
or as standing/crouching missile launchers as just part of a 10-man unit (every IFS I owned had one) with the two guys as a different helmet stripes
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:03
find me the page in the rules where it explains base size plays any part in the rules please
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:03
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:03
@skonk there isn't, so you're saying I can represent a max-sized scarab swarm unit with a single base?
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:04
my point is that the size of a models base has no impact on interpretation of rules
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:04
so you agree with that statement then
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 00:04
@skonk well ... at least in AoS they explicitly say that if you can manage to balance your models without bases then you’re good as measurements go model to model ...
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:04
the rules dont even mention base size
aye
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:05
do you at least agree that one base is only ever representative of one model?
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:05
nothing actually says a model has to be based, if you wanted to go that far
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 00:05
AOS also fails to realize that base size matters very much when measuring model to model ...
Since the base adds distance to the model.
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:05
a base can and do often contain multiple models
a scarab base has 4 scarab models on it as standard
but in terms of game play they are represented in rules as a singular entity with 4 wounds
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 00:06
I always found it odd that there were 4 scarabs, but only 3 wounds.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:06
Aren't Nurglings multiple...um...dudes on one base?
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:06
3 sorry
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:06
if nothing is based, your army cannot move
because movement rules call out bases
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:07
"If a model does not have a
base, such is the case with
many vehicles, measure to
and from the closest point
of that model’s hull instead.
You can measure distances
whenever you wish."
it doesnt limit that to vehicles, even tho it uses them as the example
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 00:07
Oh back in the days when pre-measuring wasn't allowed.
How I don't miss that
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:08
so when your scarab unit suffers a 3 damage attack, how do you allocate that?
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:08
as i said, in rules its represented as a singular entity
and you know exactly how the wounds are applied
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:08
because the rules say its allocated to a model, and damage doesnt carry over between models
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:08
@GenWilhelm with a damage counter
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:09
you're just being facetious now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:09
what?! you're saying a single scarab swarm is 4 models
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:09
no, simply applying the logical extreme of the rabbit hole you have chosen
yes, four models on one base
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:10
4 models, on 1 base, with a set of rules that treat it as such
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:10
but everything in the rules references models. it simply doesnt work to have more than one model per base
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:11
which is why they treat it as 1 model with multiple wounds
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:11
yes, but by the logic of your statements, I can take one scarab box, a 120mm base, and model it with twelve scarabs on it, and take it as representing three scarab swarms
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:11
you buy a unit of guard, 2 of the units form a team and to represent that you use the profile of a single model with 2 wounds
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:11
because bases don't matter
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:12
okay, so for all rules purposes it is a single model
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:12
not according to @skonk
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:12
lol
putting words in my mouth now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:13
no, you supplied the logic, I am merely showing you how it breaks down
as a matter of a very silly example
its intentionally stupid
to show that such a set of logic doesn't work
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:14
i give up
you two feel free to cheat as much as you like
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:14
now who's putting words in mouths
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:14
is it cheating if all players present are aware of what is happening and agree to it?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:14
remember, I am arguing for guard cat style implementation
because at base, RAW ceases to function
in absence of a functioning RAW, intent is all that remains, and so far the concensus of intent is "pay for 10 guys"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:16
:+1:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:16
common consensus here is when the datasheet and the points section contradict each other, the datasheet takes priority
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:16
this is also borne out by the fact that HWTs in HWS cost 8
conveniently 2x a single guardsman
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:16
HWSs are 6ppm
they used to be 4, now theyre 6
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:17
Only salient reply so far:
"Infantry Squads require a minimum of ten wounds. When you add a heavy weapons team, it has two wounds. This is fairly unique, as other factions just add the weapon to one model."
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:18
how much frothing in the other ones? :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:19
Nothing really. A friend of mine from San Antonio acting like he's special because he does his lists by hand.
I invited him to dine upon a penis.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:19
heh. ive met a few of those
"no comment" is the nicest thing i can say
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:20
@GenWilhelm my position would be for GSC to change, not on account of being wrong, but simply to make the tool useful to as many people as possible. perhaps add an option to adjust to either interpretation until FAQ solves it
its what I ended up doing with autarchs
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:21

until FAQ solves it

this is what we've been waiting for for, how many months?

WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:21
well, it was supposed to have arrived already
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:22
yeah, thats the worst thing about this is we dont even know for sure when it will be fixed proper
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 00:22
Until FAQ solves it
this is what we've been waiting for for, how many months?
he’s not wrong
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:22
my suggestion is simply to change GSC default behavior to match IG, then add another option to allow for use of either interpretation.
and ALSO to do the same for IG
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 00:23
that has 2 issues: which is default, and what do we name it?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:23
either position is potentially valid. both positions can be supported without mutual exclusion
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 00:23
Proper way and cheating way
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:23
"Right Way", "Wrong Way"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 00:23
yeah i’m not really keen on that solution either
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:24
then per amis post, whole group should pick a way and only use that one
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 00:24
which is what i was suggesting
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 00:25
Team HWT costs the same as 2 guards here.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:32
Agreed.
Oh, also, on a completely different note:
Written by the WGC Master of Terrain, Ryan
He's....really good.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:39
good stuff
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:47
anyone happen to have a drukhari codex yet?
I have free time but no material to work on :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 00:49
I know where one is, I just don't have access to it
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe grumbles something about "people not wanting to get in trouble"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 00:51
I'm not subjecting myself to SS82 again
so its either wait until pics, an epub, or someone else has a comprehensive review that doesn't put me to sleep
speaking of epub
I don't play the spiky elves (yet)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 01:31
Interestingly, Reese said this about a different topic (but I think it applies in this case): "Getting tricksy with the language is fun and all but GW doesn't write rules to lead you to a strange, illogical conclusion based on a particular reading. The intuitive answer is almost always the correct one."
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 01:34
The problem is when you arrive at multiple intuitive resolutions with support for any of them
as happens far too often
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 04 2018 06:56
Right, so, the TL:DR version is "pathetic mon-keigh can't carry their own weapons and also can't count or write clearly" I'm glad that's cleared up...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 09:16
where does the rules discuss minimum squad sizes ? would it just be on data sheet, or is there a paragraph that outlines it? I can't see it .
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 09:27
the point I'm making is .. Primaris Psyker - is a "Single Model" ... but an infantry squad "contains 1 sgt and 9 guardsmen" it does not state any 'model' requirements as minimum, only the number of guardsmen, thus bypassing the whole HWT = 1 model thing being illegal, as you are not counting models, you're counting plastic men, regardless of bases/models
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 09:35
the only rules about unit sizes i can find are all in reference to datasheets
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 09:44
so, nothing says that 1 base = 1 model and nothing else references going below starting unit size through the building a squad process, leaves you in an illegal position. .. just inference
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 09:51
I'd like to think this is on purpose, so as not to force new players to glue 2 dudes onto a base for one game and then be a base down for another game where they don't take the HWT. it allows this contrary state of being, for the purposes of flexibility... that we are trying to make it fit into our strict framework.. mostly from a tainted view of previous editions.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 10:05
regardless of your hobbying philosophy, a HWT is still a single model for rules purposes. the rules dont really define what a model is or isnt, but (as was stated last night) the rules cease to make sense if you attempt to play anything other than 1 model per base
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 10:08
I agree a HWT is a single model ... for rules purposes. but as per the unit description it is made up of 2 guardsmen, it doesn't make any other distinction so 2 dudes on 2 bases or on one base ... still 2 dudes, with 7 other dudes and a sgt. makes 10 dudes, rules are happy,
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 10:18
sorry for being dense (still on my first cuppa), but i think i've missed the point you're trying to get at
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 10:18
lol me too ... more caffeine is so needed for these things
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 10:24

essentially ... the legality of the unit is satisfied .. it only counts guardsmen (=9) regardless of if two of them are occupying one base... the second point is that you are correct that a HWT as per the datasheet counts as one model for rules around targeting / movement etc.

Otherwise it would easily break in play .. "which of the two bases in a HWT have moved for the purposes of firing heavy weapons?"... "can I see the gunner or the ammo basket man?" ... etc. so you can't play them as 2 models joined at the hip. not without some supporting words from GW.

so yeah I see where you're at but it's not the min squad size that breaks it's the models per base that breaks

Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 10:32
so bloody glad I play Necrons ... tesla or gauss ... do I take the warscythe or the bloodscythe today .... such challenging decisions to make daily
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 10:34
guard has a lot of non-decisions. weapons teams are basically either mortar or lascannon, special weapons are plasma or nothing, then its just vox or no vox.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 10:39
The only valid criticism (that I've heard) of the "pay for each model and nothing more" method is that it is contradicted by the column in the points section that outlines the number of models per unit. But, as you pointed out earlier, this isn't a legal requirement, and so doesn't invalidate your list for not adhering to. In any case, we've always come to the conclusion that in the case where that section contradicts a datasheet, we take the datasheet's version as legal, which is again backed up by what you were saying earlier.
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 11:37
on a side note; the HWT would still have it's 2 Lasguns and be able to shoot them and the heavy weapon because the heavy weapon doesn't replace the existing weapons
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 11:39
"You can pry my Lasgun from my cold, dead hands!"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 11:40
i've always played it as having just the one lasgun, but now you point it out they probably do still have two
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 11:51
@GenWilhelm Not if you're not paying for the second body ...
Amusingly enough .. the normal HWT actually lists as having Lazguns and grenades ...
In the HWT, it calls out that 'each models armed with a lasgun and frag grenades' ...
So, is that 'each base of models' has one lasgun ... or each model (i.e. guardsman) has one lasgun and grenade?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 11:56
If we have two guardsmen models per hwt ... then two lasguns is legit. If we only have it as an HWT is 'one model' then according to the HWS ... they would only get one.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 11:57
This is being read into WAY too much.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 11:58
The first rule of the bureaucracy ... is to perpetuate the bureaucracy ...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 11:58
Should I bring up canoptek harvests and the inane discussions on that :p
Though I think you and thairne are the only ones who were around back then.
Maybe alpha
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 11:59
I was entirely right ... until i wasn't.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 12:00
was there some issue with it? i dont recall the specifics of necron formations
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:00
They need to quit showing illegitimate pictograms.
1 Canpotek Spyder v.s. 1 unit of Canoptek Spiders.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:00
Oft was necrons maintainer back then. And since the graphic for canoptek showed more than one spider he thought a unit of spiders was allowed.
The requirements were “1 canoptek spider”
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:01
It was actually more than that ...
because a Canoptek spider actually had an upgrade to include 2 additional spiders
The question was 'could it take the upgrades'
Instead of just being locked down to '1 Spider'
We had that issue with a bunch of formations ... where it listed '1' and the core requirement for a unit was '1 of x'
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:02
aaaah the good old days pre 'New-GW' and these pesky FAQs
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:02
But the unit could take 'upgrades' to add additional of X to form a unit.
Eventually it was clarified that where it listed '1 X' that was a single model unit.
As opposed to ' 1 unit of X'
We went around on that one for a while.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:04

Eventually it was clarified

yeah and the next day we got 8th edition drop, and it was all moot anyways lol

OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:04
Yep! LOL
It was a pretty brutal formation ... but the weak point was that you could only have 1 spider. i.e. no backups.
So ... shoot out the spider ... and the problem wraiths went away ...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:05
The solution. Take a second harvest.
Unless itc
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:05
where spyder 1 can only buff formation 1
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:06
I think so. Yea
I believe the rules were x from this formation
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:06
yup
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 12:07
@Kohato no I think that was when @senpai514 was still mr imperialis
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:07
Alpha and Amis92 were both around at that time.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:07
Same time.
Yea, amis is old guard. Could not honestly remember how long alpha's been here though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 12:07
Ok you guys say so lol
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:08
and now spyders are back to being near useless apart from psyker denial .4 wounds is crappy :(
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:08
But yea, Senpai was SM then but had been awol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 12:08
I came in mid/late 7e
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:08
Maybe I'm mis-remembering. I've been around since BS was all forum based ...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:08
Me and you might've come in at the same time-ish alpha
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:08
@alphalas Yeah ... the issue for the neurons happened around mid-late 7th as I recall.
Whee ... spelling check
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 12:09
I think you were just before me because you knew Thommy through here
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:09
@OftKilted you're at that age where the editions blur into one and you just wake up to tell stories of the all father ...
and complain about the kids on the lawn
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:09
LOL ... yeah ... I got my first models were 2nd edition orcs.
I think I ended up spraying them white ... and attempting to paint them with markers... LAUGHS
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 12:10
Lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:10
Yea, looks like I was early 2016, you came in around oct 2016
(going by commit history)
Hey, sharpies are useful
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 12:12
When I stated playing it was probably mid 3e; but since it was my older brother teaching me with his old stuff I technically learned 2nd ed, then 3r
3e*
I remember when 4e dropped
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:12
I think I started at the very tail end of 5e. I remember playing for a short while then 6e dropping
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:13
Yeah ... my first full box set that I shelled out for was the Sisters of Battle : Warriors of Redemption Boxed set.
sobwor.jpg
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:15
mine was some kind of box full of space marines .. don't even recall if it had an enemy included ... about 1998 .. I didn't play but liked painting .. til I got a girlfriend local to my barracks and that all changed .. only picked it back up again in 7e when the Necron dex landed .. and Decurioned all my mates
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:15
I ... was not a smart kid.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 12:15
I was playing with my brothers marines, the starter orks from 2e, and the DE from the 3e box until 4e and tau dropped
That was the first army I picked for myself
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:16
the first minis I actually bought and owned was in 6th ...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:16
Heh ... I had a serious number of Dark Eldar from 3e.... those original warrior models were awesome ... and they could be modified into the original 3e Mandrakes with minimal work.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:16
It included a skyshield landing pad because I needed something for my ork defkoptas to land on ...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:17
Wow ... did you model it with the sides up or down?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:17
Hah.
Backwards.
As in, Sides all down ... but moving them up was not possible because the joints were flipped
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:18
LOL
Ahh ... the joys of building.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:18
Like I said. Not a smart kid
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:18
Ahh ... it's all about the enthusiasm.
And the build instructions were absolutely horrible back in the day.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:20

if anyone wants to release some pent up aggression
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/89ow9v/are_stimulant_injectors_still_a_wargear_option/

I'll just leave that here

OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:21
Wait ... do they still have wargear in 8th?
boggles
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:27
I want an FAQ ... pretty please GW .. /sigh
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 04 2018 12:29
ah stories from ye olden times... sit down younglings and listen to grandpa Thairne tell you stories of when the cats were unnormalized and disgustingly filthy... :P
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:29
ok, who did it? ... who performed the ritual ? who summonsed the ancient one ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:30
Granpa @Thairne ... Were Dark Angels Loyal back then?
runs
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 04 2018 12:30
well my son, you can run, but unless you can run faster than this boltshell you'll just die exhausted.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:31
@Kohato JINK! ... like your life depends upon it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 04 2018 12:31
tbh im not around THAT long too.. I think something like Aug '15 or something like that
and jinking ain't an autosave. 4+ max, plus snapshooting IF you moved flat out on the prev turn :P Gods, I know the old rules better than the new ones.... <.<
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 12:33
that's practically ancient compared to us younglings
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 12:33
"Suns getting real low big guy!"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 04 2018 12:33
snort
grunt
No more smash?
ancient in BS, ancient IRL.
This it was written, thus it shall be.
*thus
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 12:36
So Say We All
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:36
@Thairne LoL! Don't forget that Dark Eldar had the Shadow Field for their vehicles available ...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 12:36
oh god don’t remind me of the archon on jetbike with shadowfield
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:37
And quantum Shielding ... which was GREAT! until it failed ...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 12:37
dont forget to do your 2+ look out sir after failing your re-rollable 2++
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 04 2018 12:37

basically my 1st game in 6th was a 2on1, being a newb. Enemy guy plonked a wraithknight against 2 squads of tactical marines I had. I didnt have much fun.

I still hate eldar.

OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:38
wow.......
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 04 2018 12:38
so go away with your shadowholofieldflickerthingies!
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:38
Don't forget to Drop that Warp Portal ...
Unknown.jpeg
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 04 2018 12:39
Vortex grenades. Hahaha yes.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:40
Quantium shielding is still great
Forces infantry to go shoot my ark
while it pounds on big boys with S10 -5 D6
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 04 2018 12:41
heh heh heh.
Ah well, I need more coffee. I'll catch folks on the flip side.
Cheers!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 12:43
before the 5e DE book dropped our local DE player ran the archon on jetbike with shadowfield
2++ rerollable that only broke if you failed the reroll
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 04 2018 12:46
tzeentchian deathstar?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 12:47
I used to do the lychstar
after canopteks got boring
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 13:01
ooh, trailer for IT part 2 is out, didn't realise it had that cast
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 15:00
my ixon hale arriced, just build him
nice model
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 15:19
thanks.PNG
Thought I'd share this
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 15:22
is that from the question you posted last night?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 15:23
Yep
So, nothing but discussion about BattleScribe
Only one response about the actual question itself
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe shakes his head
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 15:23
ahhh, internet discussions
GenWilhelm @GenWilhelm sips tea
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 04 2018 15:50
getting a Necrons game going this week Yay! thinking of taking Mephrit destroyers (9+3 heavies) and a few troops to screen... only have 1250 points to spend, whaddaya think?

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Necrons) [29 PL, 535pts] ++

  • No Force Org Slot +

Dynastic Heirlooms: Dynastic Heirlooms: 1 Extra Artefact (-1CP)

Dynasty Choice: Dynasty: Mephrit

  • HQ [13 PL, 210pts] +

Destroyer Lord [7 PL, 120pts]: Artefact (Mephrit): The Voltaic Staff, Staff of Light [10pts], Warlord

Overlord [6 PL, 90pts]: Artefact: The Nightmare Shroud, Voidblade [6pts]

  • Troops [16 PL, 325pts] +

Immortals [4 PL, 85pts]: 5x Immortal [40pts], Tesla Carbine [45pts]

Necron Warriors [6 PL, 120pts]: 10x Necron Warrior [120pts]

Necron Warriors [6 PL, 120pts]: 10x Necron Warrior [120pts]

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Necrons) [42 PL, 716pts] ++

  • No Force Org Slot +

Dynasty Choice: Dynasty: Mephrit

Gametype

  • HQ [6 PL, 95pts] +

Cryptek [6 PL, 95pts]: Chronometron [15pts], Staff of Light [10pts]

  • Fast Attack [36 PL, 621pts] +

Destroyers [12 PL, 207pts]
. 3x Destroyer [9 PL, 150pts]: 3x Gauss Cannon [60pts]
. Heavy Destroyer [3 PL, 57pts]: Heavy Gauss Cannon [27pts]

Destroyers [12 PL, 207pts]
. 3x Destroyer [9 PL, 150pts]: 3x Gauss Cannon [60pts]
. Heavy Destroyer [3 PL, 57pts]: Heavy Gauss Cannon [27pts]

Destroyers [12 PL, 207pts]
. 3x Destroyer [9 PL, 150pts]: 3x Gauss Cannon [60pts]
. Heavy Destroyer [3 PL, 57pts]: Heavy Gauss Cannon [27pts]

++ Total: [71 PL, 1251pts] ++

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 15:57
1 point over
absolutely haram
but in all seriousness, destroyers are looking pretty scary. not sure about mephrit specifically, but overall it's looking good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 04 2018 16:53
@CrusherJoe anything interesting from the discussion about it?
or just one guy realizing how thankless it all is
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 04 2018 17:08
Nothing interesting. At all.
Like I said, this was discussed previously
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 17:43
I like the list. I assume the Destroyer Lord is Warlord with mephrit WT?
Snipe some bitches with that staff?
I do suggest however, dropping the chronometron and taking a canoptek cloak and running the cryptek with the destroyers
Keeping that 4+ reanimation next to them will be nice.
That will also fix your points snafu :p
You also might benefit from splitting the heavy destroyers out on their own unit. Since you're not using My Will Be Done on them, having 4 units to target vs 3 may be beneficial to you - points should be the same.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 18:08
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/89o6iz/whats_the_best_tau_sept/dwsaehw/ - I feel like I've taught someone the joys of what we go through.
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 18:31
ack.. so unfit
riding the bike at the mo and its killing m
me
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 18:32
Attach a motor on it
James
@skonk
Apr 04 2018 18:32
not done any riding since i was ill a year ago
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 18:32
be like Hot Rod.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 04 2018 19:13
gasp
Since when do I have to pay for wargear
You take that back.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 04 2018 19:13
oof
hang on...
are you suggesting people should actually read their codex?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 04 2018 19:33
The horror!