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6th
Apr 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 04:25
Played against the new DE tonight
They are, in fact, no joke
Agents of Vect can suck my ballz
Who does the DE datafile???
I should have a present for them momentarily
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 04:51
Me
and I am bored out of my mind so actual pages to work from would be fantastic
Ask and you shall receive
Should be everything necessary :) We kinda scampered off with the book and went clicky click click
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:04
got it, you can kill the link if you feel the need to
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:06
Done, thank you sir! :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:06
....Lelith doesn't have the combat drugs rule
there is someone looking out for the lorecrunch after all
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:07
There may be one page that's kinda wanked up...focus was off
Dang it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:07
I've got photoshop and know how to use it, I can sharpen
and work with whats there
oh damn
warriors are now two specials per 5 AND one heavy per 10
tekton
@tekton
Apr 06 2018 05:08
some things you can't "enhance" enough ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:08
true
we'll see
checking now
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:09
Yeah I played against it tonight -- they are no joke
Grotesques are...grotesque
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:09
yeah
just put that artefacts page through the filters, nada
the good news
I can make out the names and the "who can take this" lines of each
so we're good there :D
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:10
Right on
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:10
if I zoom in its sort of readable
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:11
The Pain Engines...Talos? I think? They are...okay. Lots of wounds and so on but slow compared to the rest of the army
Ravagers are a pain in the butt, as are Venoms
But that damned Agents of Vect strat....oh man it's gonna result in some big salty tears I can promise you that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:11
5 and 10 transport cap.. wah wah
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:12
oooooweeeeee it's frustrating
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:12
I feel like that transport capacity thing is such a missed opportunity
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:13
It's very limiting, yes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:13
curious question, since I don't play competitive
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:13
Chris -- my Drukhar-a-phile friend -- said it forces you to take HQs and run them in transports by themselves almost
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:13
how does ITC play models in transports for the purposes of the 50% rule
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:14
Hmmm...same as BRB
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:14
so models inside transports don't count towards the 50%
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:15
Right now the only changes to the regular rules in ITC are the bottom floor of ruins block LOS
Whatever the BRB says, yes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:15
yeah, strict raw is that they don't count, but there are a lot of people that play it that they do
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:15
It's been so long since I've put a model in a transport I've almost forgotten about that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:15
its one reason mech lists are in such an odd place
and its the thing that's making lists hard to build for the thing @alphalas got me to try going to
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:16
Well that and the fact that transports are pornographically overpriced
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:16
well, Eldar in general use them and have more need of them than other factions
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:17
I mean when you look at the cost of a Rhino or a Chimera and feel like there should be an LOL after the points costs something isn't right
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:17
venoms/starweavers and wave serpents are all pretty decent takes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:17
We won't EVEN get into the pure stupidity of drop pod prices...and utter lack of utility
Yes.
Yes they are.
Starweavers especially.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:18
I have a local friend who just started collecting harlequins for when we play 2v2s
as a change of pace from admech/IG
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:18
Yeah Chris's other main army is Harlies
He's all a-tingle for their book too
I'll put it another way: I'd forgotten he had 3 of those pain engines, it's been years since I've seen them on the tabletop
He's been like a kid in a candy store
It's actually super-cool to see
Also he didn't have a problem getting everything he wanted and starting the game with 10 CP with 3 detachments
So that whole "raiding party" business is a wash
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:25
well
tell him it should be out for release v1 along with all the other eldar overhaul (if he plays ynnari) at 1am NZT if I can help it
working on it now
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:31
Right on!!
Let me know if you need help
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:33
should be fine, I just need a clearer version of the artefacts page which I'm guessing someone will have closer to release
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:38
I hate to say it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:38
?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:39
but half of the work is going to be wrangling everything back to using SSEs correctly and not having incorrect single-item stuff
there are a bunch of things that are not links
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:44
Erk
That sounds...sub-optimal
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:45
annoying is more like it
so since its now my cat to deal with and the update will break all lists anyway, I'm re-tooling everything
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 05:46
Might as well get it right moving forward
And it's past my bedtime...nuts
'nite all
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 05:50
interesting
archons are now RR hit rolls of 1 for kabal
tekton
@tekton
Apr 06 2018 06:08
did the old start collecting box have an archon in it?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 06:08
yep
and you can now make cheaper archons
venom blade is a new choice for them
tekton
@tekton
Apr 06 2018 06:09
ok, then i don't need to buy one for my friend, he has two
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 06:10
so you know all that leadership stuff?
"Each time your opponent takes a Morale test for a unit that is within 6" of any enemy INCUBI units and the result of the Morale test equals the Leadership characteristic in the unit, the test is failed, one model flees the unit."
that will be hilarious on LD debuffed primaris
"whats your LD with debuffs?"
"5"
"well you lost two, roll it, 3+ you lose a dude :^)"
tekton
@tekton
Apr 06 2018 06:23
yeah, i'm not looking forward to facing that as GK
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 06:30
.................
can I flip the table now?
GW: Sorry, we won't make rules for models we don't sell, goodbye autarch options.
GW 6 months later: "Hey I know we don't sell a succubus model with any wych weapons, but you guys can convert right?"
ARGGHHHHHH
@FarseerVeraenthis

also:

Archon is monopose plastic like swooping hawk auatrch
Here have ALL THESE OPTIONS

tekton
@tekton
Apr 06 2018 06:38
that's a wee bit frustrating
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 06:58
overall though the HQs got new options
haem now gets ichor injector, succubus gets wych weapons, archon got the venom blade
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 07:05
welp
kabalites just got a ton more dangerous
unit of 10 can now sport 2 blasters, blast pistol and a dark lance
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 07:20
oh jeebus
SSLYTH PARTY VAN
court of the archon is no longer max four
its unlimited
they just straight don't take slots
if you have an archon
so the 9 sslyth and an archon meme is back
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 07:52
Indexed items so far:
Trueborn
Bloodbrides
Demiklaives for incubi
Crucible of Malediction on Haem
Archon Blaster
A WoT option for grotesques
Has 40k rules for Astartes and Heritic Astartes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 08:08
106pt melta-weilding T8 rhino/droppod hybrid
all of my yes
with a transport cap of 12
where has this been for the last year
I needed this
this might save SM for me
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 08:13
the 30k rules are great too
oh no
beast units are unlimited like the court of the archon
razorwings
its happening again.....
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 08:20
oh good
they're half the attacks, but WS4 and -1 ap now
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 08:48
And I believe there us a beast master tax too..
I still wonder if I should get the old start collecting now before it's too late...
I just don't like the archon model at all...
And that is funny otherwise, almost like there might be new models coming for Drukhari
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 08:54
yeah, you take one beastmaster and you could take however many points left over after a patrol full or razorwings
which comes out to be
156 razorwing flock bases
all with 4 attacks each, WS 4+, and str 2 -1 D1
plus 5 wyches, a succubus and a beastmaster
:P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 09:22
That's a lot of flapping wings... Xxxxxx
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 09:40
I love predictive text
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 10:58
Yeah, so that army wouldn't be very good, but it would be tricky to deal with...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 11:20
Also, now court of the archon can be a thing again, the real loser from the fact that venoms are only transport 5 is the succubus
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 11:28
I mean, what's the difference between a star Weaver and a venom?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 06 2018 11:31
other than weapons, basically nothing
for the purposes of being a transport, theyre almost identical
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 06 2018 12:15
dammit. FW gives 40k rules for a HH version of the Underminer's ride ... Give me 40k rules for a Ulator!
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 06 2018 12:46
@Kohato am I doing something wrong here dude ? hitting the view roster button on ipad ... it's not showing any keywords (Infantry, Dynasty etc.)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 06 2018 12:46
Turn categories on ;)
We told everyone to turn them off a while ago when there was a list breaking bug
View Roster > View Options > Categories > Show all Categories
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 06 2018 12:48
aaah wicked thanks ... my ipad had them hiddeen by default
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 06 2018 12:48
np
There was a bug that caused a crash when they were viewed
that's why we used to have keywords as "abilities"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 06 2018 12:48
I see
looks good cheers ... I got my list to 1250 ... naked cryptek Lord with Voidscythe
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 06 2018 12:50
looks like the newest version has also fixed the randomly shuffled FOC when you have flattened forces
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 06 2018 12:50
woo :)
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Apr 06 2018 13:37

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/36/2c/62/362c625bd6544bc229afc285acbe099c.jpg

Drive me closer so I can hit them with my shredders !

Some might say 40k has jumped the shark ... I say, "That shark needs fricken lazer beams !"
lots of custodes knight bits lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 06 2018 15:33
oh nice
I like those alternate crotch capes and shields
tekton
@tekton
Apr 06 2018 16:27
as much as the casts can be weird, forgeworld has some great customer service at least
James
@skonk
Apr 06 2018 19:37
ooh
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 06 2018 19:54
why
why are there words like that
WHY has there to be something like CROTCH CAPE
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 06 2018 20:52
So
What would you call it?
Dangle Flag
Ball Banner
Penis Poster?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 21:19
what's wrong with loincloth...??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 21:22
or just straight "hanging decoration"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 21:27
that too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 21:27
I do like the custodes knight set
if I were ever to make a second IK there is a good chance I'd get those for the look
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 06 2018 21:48

you guys make me uncomfortable :P

And yes, I eyed those mechanicus parts too... neatos

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 06 2018 22:23
shaft sheet
cock curtain?
damn, did c already
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 22:31
Soooo took at look at those Knight parts
There's some quality work in there
But they have bumped their fucking head with their prices
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 06 2018 22:37
Shapeways sets the prices iirc
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 06 2018 22:39
Hey, who is doing Deldar? I have a book in hand?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 22:40
@WindstormSCR
he's your man
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 22:40
I don't care who sets the prices
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 22:40
da man
ok, DE man
oh, they're Drukhari
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 22:40
They have bumped their fucking heads
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 22:40
you know what I mean
James
@skonk
Apr 06 2018 22:43
do we have access to a DE codex as of yet?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 22:43
@flakpanda has one in hand apparently
James
@skonk
Apr 06 2018 22:44
ah
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 22:44
and there was an exchange last night
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 22:44
I gave @WindstormSCR pictures of all relevant pages last night
except for the relics page which the focus got wankered up
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 06 2018 22:44
yeah, I was just scrolling back to see who shared
James
@skonk
Apr 06 2018 22:45
id hoped to have it a few days ago but the orders got delayed
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 06 2018 22:45
I am on my way home, so I can share whatever in a few.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 22:45
I need better pics of the artefacts pages and a full one of pg 114 which has the matched play restrictions for courts/BM on it
really though what I need is an epub to copy and paste all these reworded weapon abilities
James
@skonk
Apr 06 2018 22:46
epub is out in 15 mins
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 22:47
only reason I'm not buying one myself is I don't plan to play DE. they're fun and I might someday, but right now I have too much stuff to do for CWE
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Apr 06 2018 22:51
I'm on the @acebaur buy in so as soon as he gets it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 22:52
I'm going to remove it from my machine after, I just really don't want to type all that crap out while still cleaning up cat logic
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 06 2018 23:12
@WindstormSCR I'll take those for you
Looked good my phone screen. Let me know.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 23:26
@flakpanda access denied
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 06 2018 23:26
Sry, thought link access was on. Try now
👍?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Apr 06 2018 23:37
works now