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May 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 01:05
My current thoughts are tending toward a storm eagle for dudes and a dakka repulsor for Primaris
Or rhinos and a relic pred
Dakka repulsors really are undervalued imo
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 01:10
5d6 bolter equivalent + 24 str 5
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 01:10
I haven't seen them be as points efficient as I'd like...they're very glass canon-y I've felt
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 01:11
I like them for horde clearing which DW can otherwise struggle with
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 01:11
that makes sense
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 01:12
I’m tempted to get one but I’m tired of painting red
Painting BA as a commission when BA is my primary army was a mistake
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 01:12
I have two of them, and I screwed up the red on one of the turrets!
they're super easy to paint, but a pita to get glued together well
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 01:13
Oh I’m sure
But I’m having to force myself to paint the BA
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 01:14
Also I've found that transports in general are undervalued for surviving first strikes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 01:14
Which is no bueno
Part of the reason why I’m getting my girls done instead
But I don’t get paid for painting those
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 01:15
Being able to shield an aggressor/HB/intercessor team may be worth the cost
At least the repulsor has a decent amount of guns to make it useful beyond a T1 shield
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 01:33
Very true- I think they may actually be better for DW given the mixed teams
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 02:47
Looks like @FarseerVeraenthis was right, SIA tax is on the bolt weapons themselves, and stormbolters get it now
BOLS has the weapon list and effects
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 03:22
@FarseerVeraenthis vets are 16pt base, all primaris bolt weapons but agressors are +1pt for SIA, frag cannons still 25pt
so if i had to guess they'll be 17pts with bolter/chainsword loadout
pretty spiffy, 85pts for SIA and 3 attacks isn't terrible
its not brilliant, but its usable
still probably glassy cannon, but stormbolter vets will be a decent option
i might do a set of 5 using the HH alpha legion headhunters with the double barrel over/under bolters
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 04:31
So, final verdict based on current information:
Deathwatch aren't in a perfect place, but will be VASTLY more usable as a mono-army, with intercessors doing the job vets used to, and vets being massively better at being tooled for specific jobs without breaking the bank
reivers are the biggest winner imo. Putting a squad of bolt carbines with SIA in the right place is going to be scary
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 04:39
the 'hate squad' of 3 frag cannons and 2 stormshields should come out to 167 instead of 195
combi squads drop less, 10 per 5 but it adds up
with primaris getting SIA that adds up to an entire reiver squad fairly quick
and teleport solves the intercessor/fortis mobility issue
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 04:49
I forgot about Reivers...that’s a really good point and has me rethinking a few things
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 06:06
Where did you find the points? I'm obviously not looking hard enough...
And now I need to decide what to do about my tournament list
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2018 12:30
Winters has a video talking about it
he basically said that all of the models costs are the same as codex:SM, but weapons with SIA are 1pt more
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 13:27
2points for SB and possibly combis
kinda wish they'd given DW tartaros and cataphractii plate
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 15:37
@acebaur ready for the fun times ahead?
going to have to completely divorce from the GST entries by the look of things
if you want a hand let me know, I could use the distraction from all of my current RL mess
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 15:48
Yeah, drops Friday right?
So there won't be any carry over units from C:SM?
Or you mean they will be different enough that they'll need their own entry
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 15:59
There will but the points are different
base is the same, weapons have costs
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2018 15:59
and each bolt weapon will need a new entry to contain all the various ammo types
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 16:00
if you want I can do the logic work stuff this week to the point you'd just need to plug in profiles and points
since we know the selection logic more or less and I have a load of free time thanks to being stuck in bed
And if drukhari has taught me anything, its that I'm good with BS logic snarls but less good at catching profile changes :P
Heck i could probably get most of the rejiggering done today
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 16:08
@acebaur Y/N? Or should I temper my enthusiasm to not have shelf ornaments anymore. Lol
@FarseerVeraenthis rumor that terminators, bikes and vanguards are back to min 1
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 16:10
Basically every GST entry link needs to be replaced with a local one, is that what you are saying?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 16:11
Not quite, but a lot of the weapons will
Any bolt weapon will have to
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 16:18
and there is a bit of cleanup needed in things like veteran weapon selections to prevent invalid configurations
I just want to make sure you're ok with it before I make a branch and start working on stuff
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 16:27
Yeah if you've got time and want to do some prep work then I'm fine with that
Thanks I appreciate it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 16:29
I'm glad I never primed my reivers
been able to just carve off the left shoulderpad and replace
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 16:31
So with all this DW Primaris talk
I decided to see what I can do with that I have in BA Primaris
Pretty much if I add an aggressor squad, a intersessor squad, 2 reiver squads, and a repulsor I have a decent-ish BA list

++ Supreme Command Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) ++

  • HQ +

Primaris Librarian: Force sword

Primaris Lieutenants
Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword
Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle

Primaris Lieutenants
Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) ++

  • HQ +

Captain in Gravis Armour: Boltstorm gauntlet, Master-crafted power sword

Primaris Captain
Bolt rifle and bolt pistol with optional power sword: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle, Power sword

Primaris Chaplain

  • Troops +

Intercessor Squad: Auto bolt rifle, Auxiliary grenade launcher, 4x Intercessor
Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword

Intercessor Squad: Auto bolt rifle, Auxiliary grenade launcher, 4x Intercessor
Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword

Intercessor Squad: Auto bolt rifle, Auxiliary grenade launcher, 4x Intercessor
Intercessor Sergeant: Chainsword

  • Elites +

Aggressor Squad
2x Aggressor
2x Auto boltstorm gauntlets and fragstorm grenade launcher: 2x Auto boltstorm gauntlets, 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
Aggressor Sergeant
Auto boltstorm gauntlets and fragstorm grenade launcher: Auto boltstorm gauntlets, Fragstorm grenade launcher

Primaris Ancient

Primaris Apothecary

Reiver Squad: Bolt carbine, Grav-chute, 4x Reiver
Reiver Sergeant: Bolt carbine, Heavy bolt pistol

Reiver Squad: Bolt carbine, Grav-chute, 4x Reiver
Reiver Sergeant: Bolt carbine, Heavy bolt pistol

  • Fast Attack +

Inceptor Squad: 2x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant
Two assault bolters: 2x Assault bolter

  • Heavy Support +

Hellblaster Squad: Assault plasma incinerator, 4x Hellblaster
Hellblaster Sergeant: Plasma pistol

  • Dedicated Transport +

Repulsor: Icarus ironhail heavy stubber, 2x Krakstorm grenade launcher, Las-talon, Onslaught gatling cannon, Twin heavy bolter
Two fragstorm grenade launchers: 2x Fragstorm grenade launcher
Two storm bolters: 2x Storm bolter

WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 16:49
22 spare DW shoulderpads, just enough for 10 intercessors and 10 hellblasters :D
and a primaris cap
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 16:53
I just can't get into the primaris
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 16:54
I think a mix is going to be where its at
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 16:54
I like some of the mini's but the fluff is so awful
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 16:54
veterans are too useful to be disregarded
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 16:54
And they are all footslogging
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 16:55
@acebaur also I will be ripping out the repeating points increments and just having them on the item itself
as it should be
so points will be a bit messed up for a bit until the logic is all fixed
at least on the working branch
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 17:00
No problem
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 17:01
it will probably remain for inceptors/agressors, I'm seeing if there is a "nicer" way to do it by force-incrementing the option itself
mobile files work stuff actually helps here to my amusement
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 17:08
@/all someone buy @acebaur a drink. all the bolt weapons are already divorced
for the most part
just a few oddities here and there
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 17:14
the biggest one is changing all stormbolters to local
@WindstormSCR I never put shoulder pads on my Reivers...so I just bought a deathwatch upgrade kit :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 17:20
lol
welp
aaaaaaaall the combi weapons need porting
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 17:27
Spoke too soon I guess lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 17:27
eh
I'm leaving profiles to you, I'm just making sure the logic is there and putting in points that I know
so that'll just leave you to check all the profiles and points values and make sure they match up
I'll just leave placeholder names for the relics and put in that system as well
Hey!
I just noticed we get combi-grav now
the couple of dudes I have modeled with them no longer have to counts-as plasma!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 18:22
messy, but working so far
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 18:32
tbh I don't really ever see primaris using standard bolt rifles
it'll be auto or stalker all the way
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 18:32
Agreed
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 18:33
feel kinda bad for anyone that built intercessor teams with standards and doesn't have opponents who don't care about a slight bend to wysiwig there
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 18:33
My BA are always Assault variants hellblaster or intersessor
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 18:34
eh, there is an argument to be made for agressor, 4 HI hellblasters and 5 stalker bolt intercessors
can move and fire without penalty and use hellfire rounds for 2+ wounding
gets you the tasty str8/9 without the "anchored in place" problem
I think that's one of the things I'm really liking about DW primaris. they gave them the tools to be mobile, so they're not stuck castling up like standard SM
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 18:35
:+1:
I’m just going aggro with the BA because why not lol
Putting a squads of agressors in a repulsor with apothecary and gravis cap; footslogging intersessors and hellblasters, reivers having happy funtimes, and inceptors dropping outta nowhere
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 18:38
the scary part
is that apothecaries will be SO GOOD
because take enemy fire ablatives on intercessor/aggressor
any dudes that burn themselves the apoth brings back
:D
I don't really see much use in adding reivers or inceptors though, unless you're getting charged by tarpit units
both will be better off doing their own thing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 18:40
Agreed for DW
Well I can see a single inceptor as insurance
Do reivers do the same thing?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 18:41
depends on what you want to do with them, if you can make sure to keep standoff that's a slot that could be a hellblaster
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 18:49
To play devils advocate, there is now no wysiwyg rule
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 18:50
interesting thought: a single deathwatch biker with TP homer and power sword (like say, the biker from KTC) is 40pts
and they are now supposedly 1-X
instead of min 3
relics and WLTs logic in
@FarseerVeraenthis I adjusted points according to the previews in the branch, if you want to play around with it
I think I'll still be leaning heavily on FW options for AT
deredeo, mortis dread, etc
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:06
wut.jpg
apparently you can mix dudes in Fortis KTs
wargear is per dude
ARGH
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:15
now I wish to hurt someone
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 20:15
that's hardly surprising
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:15
its GW
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 20:15
about both
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:15
I expected fixed sets
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 20:15
(i.e. mix dudes and wargear per dude, and wanting to hurt someone)
because that is how the standard DW KT is aranged at present
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:16
I'm actually happy it isn't because It means I can be less pedantic about my modeling
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 20:17
means I need more DW shoulder pads for all the Primaris I'm going to have to buy :tongue:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:20
what it means
is that I have to go through every primaris unit, find the points, attach them to the item, then modify the original structure as a "set to 0"
otherwise it becomes a collectives nightmare
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 20:23
@WindstormSCR I think this is an instance where collectives are a bad idea
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:23
actually, found a better way
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 20:23
/js
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 20:27
:+1:
yeah, the DW KT is not collective atm
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 20:31
As it should (shouldn’t?) be?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:31
I was referring to the regular units
reivers/HBs/etc
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 20:32
I get that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 20:32
ah... are their entries different from C:SM??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:32
they are now
:P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 20:32
righto
:smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:32
C:SM has the weapon SSE as 0pt and uses increments
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 20:33
Eww
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:33
these have the weapon as cost and use a combo of increment/decrement to fix the "standalone" units while allowing for Fortis KT to work
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 20:33
Increments are of the devil when it comes to weapons
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:33
have to on the standalones
because fixed full-squad loadouts
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2018 20:34
No, technically you just make new entries for the add-ins
Don’t reference the stand-alones at all
That’s how I’d do it
Saves having to process decrements
Just make reiver/hellblaster/agressor/inceptor entries with no collectives
Link them into the KT squad
Done
No need for complex logic slowing people down
That’s what I was saying
@alphalas pretty much what I did, but I managed to leave the standalones as they were
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 20:45
bwahahahaha!
it's Deathwatch, they're special snowflakes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 20:52
amusingly
a few months ago someone wanted to buy my squad of 5 stalker bolters
along with my watch master
I did that, but now I'm going to make 5 stalker bolt rifle intercessors with the same shoulderpads and colors :D
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 20:53
sounds fabukous
fabulous even
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 21:02
I'm very glad I already have a Primaris Apothecary
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 21:03
Mine isn't done being put together, same with the chaplain...i have a new idea for what they should be ;)
as ultrasmurfs i've actually had far better results with the standard rapid fire bolter with my primaris
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 21:12
since C:SM can't modify thier AP I would expect so
since DW can turn auto bolts into 4/-2/1 2-shot I expect auto will be the common choice, or stalker for the built-in AP to take advantage of hellfire ammo
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 21:14
i'm expecting at last one group of stalker for that extra range
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 21:14
just stick an agressor with them, shoot and scoot without issue
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 21:15
yalp; and magically i have three aggressors that i haven't put together yet...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 21:15
almost like you planned it like that...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 21:15
tbh boltstorm always
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 21:15
also, how is the Master in Gravis armour..??
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 21:15
OR I got lazy and distracted :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 21:15
I gather he's only available in Dark Imperium / eBay
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 21:15
I can only see flamer variant being useful as deterrent for a firebase that will remain static
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 21:15
but is it worth looking him up?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 21:16
@FarseerVeraenthis no gravis cap for us
just base dude
as far as any previews have shown
and there is no "watch captain in gravis armor" in the Table of Contents
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 21:18
that's actually my favorite primaris unit, too :( oh well, i can still make that unopened box of intercessors in to death watch stalkers
...and possibly repaint my repulsors, since deathwatch sounds more fun than u:smurf
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 21:18
I can actually see agressors being useful inside KTs that are melee oriented
4 agressors, 5 intercessors, 1 reiver
take your hits on the bolter intercessors, give the sgt a sword and the reiver the combat knife
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 21:19
no ironclad dread, that's interesting
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 21:20
suddenly that is a whole lot of punchy death with ablative wounds
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 21:20
i'm assuming the reiver still gets access to its nasty grenade?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 21:20
yeeep
so all that punchy death can't be overwatched
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 21:20
then the idea i had in the car before buying the upgrade pack will work lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 21:21
my "To get" list:
2x agressors, 1x intercessors, 1x hellblasters, primaris cap, primaris apoth
might grab a repulsor later, but a friend has said he'll let me borrow his for playtest as I get into things
still going to have vets in the list, riding in storm eagle/rhino/razor/landraider to targets
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 21:26
yup, righto, the captain from dark imperium has a moulded shoulder pad, so he cannot be "Deathwatched" as standard, so, not included
and yes, I need some Primaris
well... I don't
yet, because I need to paint all the models I've got at the moment
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 21:28
small details those current to paint things ;)
my next wave of primaris were going to be black templar or raven guard, so at least i'm already prepped for the black
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 21:32
I'm very tempted by the kromlech BT Primaris bodies
I'd probably convert them to have chainswords though
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 05 2018 21:35
Hopefully I'm going to finish my three Dark Angel bikers this weekend, then crack out the airbrush next week and hopefully that will result in a significant uplift in my painting speed - which will mean I can paint everything I already have in time for Sisters to be released next year
..... maybe
and now :sleepy:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 21:53
@acebaur all adjustments committed for now, you can pull the branch and mess about if you feel like
now I'm just list tinkering
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 05 2018 22:03
Cool, thanks!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 22:09
I dug out my old 7e Kill teams excel document
where I had planned out every dude's name and chapter
mostly
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 22:56
@WindstormSCR fancy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 22:57
thankfully ctrl+x is a thing
because old squads all got put in a blender for the new teams
the interesting thing is that while building these guys for specific purposes they all work out to about 160pts for focused-loadout teams
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 22:58
nice
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 22:58
ex 5 combi-plas, or 3 frag 2 shield, or the close-combat crew
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:02
so the intercessor sgt can have a chainsword AND a power sword?
but not two chainswords?
((i'm trying out the branch, i haven't looked at the rules, etc yet which i think someone linked above))
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:10
it shouldn't allow one of each
good catch but I'm not sure how to easily fix that
you're right
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:12
does it even need the second option set?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:12
RAW he CAN take a chainsword and powersword
yes
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:12
ok, cool
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:13
because is as a replacement OR addition
so that was a bug but turns out to work as per RAW so no fix needed
:shrug:
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:13
yay!
i still wish it could be two chain swords...
hm
apparently not
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:14
technically that's you get a gun or sword or just a sword it looks like?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:14
gun + sword or sword only yeah
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:15
awwww :( chain + powersword was going to look so cool, too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:16
ok, got it working
pushed
you can update
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:18
cool
i have this thing about dual chainswords, I want to take it all the places :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:34
@tekton surprised you didn't catch the jokes on that roster list
the whole thing pretty much is a collection of bad jokes for those with enough lore knowledge
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:35
i've been napping between comments, not quite all here
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:37
revised version then
see if you can spot the bad jokes
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:39
The thought of Titus with a guardian spear is entertaining
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:39
That's only the mos obvious one :D
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:43
Titus and Namaan jumped out on first glance to be sure, I was actually just reading a thing on Harath the other night. Aren't there like three different Tyr characters between HH and later novels?
Voitek, I like it, I thought it said something else on first pass
Voitek needs another novel or to show up with some Knights at some point...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:46
take a look at that top veteran squad again
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:49
the dead/coma squad?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:49
well
look at the chapters comprising it
then imagine how much "fun" its members must have given the rivalries and gene seed origins
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:50
ahahaha, yeah, esp in the aftermath of the battles they were all in
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:50
putting aside the fact that they're all dour to begin with
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:50
it's not grim dark without some sourness
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:51
then look at the watch captain that has to deal with them, and the name I gave him (not artemis)
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:52
The bottom left squad wouldn't have been much better in a post Horus world, that one actually stuck me as even funnier, "now children, get along or we send to Caliban...too soon Galedan?"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:52
that's the result of all but one terminator being build out of a deathwing kit
having a local group that doesn't mind me using regular apothecaries and terminator plascannons is nice (always pay the appropriate cost)
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:53
Poor Nemetor, dies for his Primarch and then has to deal with these screw ups...
...I mean, amazing members of the Deathwatch
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:54
lol
3rd vet squad might also amuse you
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:55
Kale's squad of Murder or Dubaku's squad of "Inquisition? What Inquisition?"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:56
neat, you got the subtext of both squads, but Kale's has another layer
admittedly hard to get if you haven't read a lot of BL novels
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:58
There's a lot of the novels I haven't gotten to
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 05 2018 23:59
"Last Survivors of Ill-fated Exploratory or Retrival Missions"
tekton
@tekton
May 05 2018 23:59
Ah, that would do it; I'm not sure I've read anything with the Brazen Claws