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13th
May 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 02:29
I'm a bit surprised, where are our friendly SoB players...?? I was expecting the chat to be awash with exclamations of how glorious the new models look... and yet... nothing
Well I've been enjoying the first day of my all-out Geekend
Went and played board games (okay, one board game) with my gaming buddies. Exodus it was called. A 4X game. Lots of fun. I won playing the "tech" race. Never fired a shot. It was glorious.
Now
About the ONE SoB model they've shown
It pleases me greatly
Same pure Blanchista gothic aesthetic, done with modern 3D sculpting tech and in plastic? What's not to love?
The amount of detail is just right, no combat heels and the boob plate is present but not overdone
It borders on perfection, considering the art it's based on
I :heart: it
It gives me hope
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 02:35
so, i just picked up a canon eos rebel t6 with the standard lens and a 75-300 lens
is this worth getting?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 02:48
I played my first three games with the deathwatch codex today
hoo boy
the raw power that's there to be unlocked with some smart play
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 02:49
so what you’re saying is i should paint all my BA primaris black? lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 02:49
first game, lost to DE because he got in some very well-orchestrated charges that prevented me from falling back
second two were larger ones where I was proxying (ish, right models but not mine) a few primaris and a leviathan
Reivers are scary good
because they show up and apply lots of nasty fire without it getting reduced beforehand
Stalker bolt rifle primaris with one agressor are also quite potent, because the innate -2 allows for hellfire to be staggeringly effective
mission tactics with some proper prior planning is like free lieutenants everywhere
the xenos stratagems, eldar and necron ones were what I got to try, and they're more effective than the usual crowd would expect
the best way I can describe it is "codex: craftworlds, marine edition"
the power isn't in any one unit
the power is all in the buffs and stratagems and using them effectively
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 02:55
Right on.
I'm glad to hear it!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 02:56
Deepstriking a levi dread felt pretty disgusting though, not going to lie
was borrowing my IH friend's one, but I'll be getting one
especially after seeing how much impact one in DS has
oh, that's the other thing
while you can take deathwatch tanks with FW, there is no point
dreadnoughts with mission tactics are infinitely better
I need to get full paint on my quad-las mortis dread asap
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe blinks
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 03:02
Oh really now
I'm going to dig into the 'dex tonight
I ordered some flight stands for mah planes from Cor-Sec Eng
I don't know why I've never used their products before
But ooowee I was happy to find them
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 03:04
basically while you can use a predator or hellblasters, dreads get mission tactics same as hellblasters, are a harder target, and have better firepower for cheaper
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 03:04
....shit, I just realized I should have ordered some for my banana bikers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 03:05
interesting thing
the single best anti-tank option for deathwatch, IF you can get it into position, is the plasma carronade deredeo dread
24" range though
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 03:11
Very interesting
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 03:11
@CrusherJoe let me know how much modification you need to do to get that mounting peg to fit into flight stand slots
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 03:12
Oh I already know
I have a drill bit of the right size and JB Weld
I'm not scared LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 03:16
oh ok lol
I was thinking of maybe getting them myself
since, well, this is a thing now lol:
ugh slow internet >.<
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 03:22
I just ordered 4 for all the planes I have now LOL
How'd your planes treat you @alphalas ?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 03:23
haven’t used them yet lol
was gunna wait till i finished assembling my elysians lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 03:25
Ah I see
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 03:25
that and i need to decide on a color scheme
might go Luftwaffe on them since my elysians are gunna be wearing flectarn
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 03:26
The GF should be firing up the Cricut machine tomorrow, I'll get stencils out to you and @acebaur Monday
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 03:28
sweet thank you again
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 03:31
Ain't no thing. Sorry it's taken so long.
Novamarines, Fire Drakes, Raptors, Mentor Legion, Sons of Medusa
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 03:58
from left to right in that pic
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 04:32
and squad 2:
Had to make the sergeant's right arm for squad two out of 3 different arms
But fortunately Primaris arms have really clean split/join spots
tekton
@tekton
May 13 2018 06:06
Well, guess I’m doing my leviathan dread as deathwatch...
tekton
@tekton
May 13 2018 06:11
GK, Guard, Deathwatch... this is going to have to be tried now...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 06:12
lets just say that having a 50/50 shot at charging as soon as the levi hits the field is pretty gross
even more disgusting with veil of time
the variant I was using was claw/grav
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 13 2018 06:47
Sounds beautiful to me
Although, I thought deep strike and psychic move had been FAQ'd?
As in, you're not allowed to do it any more
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
May 13 2018 06:56
Yes. Disallowed in the FAQ.
R42H
@R42H
May 13 2018 08:27
Hey people. Really sorry I have been gone for so long. School Just exploded with coursework and exam and all that. Had to put my 40k aside (having withdrawal symptoms). But things have cooled now so i can dedicate more time to helping out around here.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 12:40
we’re pretty well set dude
But thanks for the offer
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 13 2018 12:46
@Mad-Spy so with doing the default in the entry list itself, what happens when you have multiple units referencing that list? do you need a second list or is there a way around it?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 13:57
@FarseerVeraenthis veil of time is rerollable charge and ASF
meaning the leviathan goes even before slaaneshi daemons
@acebaur you put separate default wargear on the models and leave the list empty
then constrain the default wargear so that it can't be taken if an item from the list is selected
so in the case of DW vets, each would have a checkbox boltgun entry separate from the list, set to max 0 if a list item taken
(leave boltguns in the vet list to support things like boltgun/chainsword, etc)
This works because the Watch captain has to give up both items to take stuff from the list
so watch cap would be: MC boltgun min 1/max1 with a set min 0 modifier, then an entry group with Chainsword and relic blade, min 1 with Chainsword default and a set min 0 modifier, then the DW vet list, with an additional modifier on the Mc boltgun and entry group to set Max 0 if 'at least 1 selections from the list'
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 14:05
@acebaur make sense?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 13 2018 15:19
I think so, I'll let you know if I have trouble
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 13 2018 15:28
Wouldn't that make it "ugly" as Simon said?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 15:29
@acebaur don’t worry about ugly
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 13 2018 15:29
Lol k
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 15:29
All my cats are implemented in the way @FarseerVeraenthis called ugly because it’s simple ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 15:29
Its in line with the method used in all other space marine cats
so its not unusual at all
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 13 2018 15:31
Cool
I usually don't have an issue with list building that way. The main thing that annoys me is the "bolt pistol and chainsword" option for VV
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 15:33
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that’s my personal standard way to do it; entry link in a SEG of the default weapon, then link to the SSEG of options
Yes it means duplicate entries for things that have a default weapon that’s also on a list but it keeps it simple
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 13 2018 15:38
You have a group named bolt pistol?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 15:39
Yup - because the commissar has a bolt pistol default that he exchanges for a bolt gun or an entry on the ranged list
So if you name the SEG what the default weapon is you’re swapping it cuts down on confusion
And prevents the old Left hand/Right hand entry groups that were just not great lol
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe quietly mutters something about "checking out the ministorum priest for real retardedness"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 15:43
Shush you @CrusherJoe lol
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 13 2018 15:52
But why a group and not a single entry?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 15:55
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 16:06
@alphalas that won't work here because the UX for the vet list would be terrible
better to have separate options then the list
because the DW vet list is ~1000px of vertical space
on desktop
you don't want that thing shown twice
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 16:07
Ewwww no
Good point lol
WindstormSCR @WindstormSCR does know what he's doing most of the time
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 13 2018 16:07
This style works nicely for guard lol
But yeah it’s no bueno for you
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 16:12
@acebaur
results in:
not ugly at all
just remember to make your entry group a higher alphabetical name than the vet list so it shows at the top
in this case "chainsword replacement"
for vets just do boltgun like I did MC boltgun there
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 16:36
So just (finally) finished giving the new Codex: Primaris That Don't Suck a read-through
I mean yeah there are Vets and Vanguard Vets and so on, but is anyone going to use them even a little bit?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 16:55
yes
veterans have a place, because they can take useful equipment primaris can't
also if you're taking a transport for any reason other than as a transport, 5 vets base are cheaper than 5 intercessors, which is a consideration when playing mono faction and going for double battalions
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 13 2018 17:16
@CrusherJoe Rofl, that's a great name
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 13 2018 18:22
@WindstormSCR, you're right, I thought veil of time was something completely different! And the only thing that bugs me about your otherwise smart implementation for the Watch Captain is the chainsword in two places...
Looks OK otherwise :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 18:31
@FarseerVeraenthis unavoidable when the DW vet list contains many many things
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 20:21
@WindstormSCR what is this "useful equipment"?
Keep in mind I'm from the "your opponent can't win if all their models are dead" school
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 20:21
frag cannons, and suprisingly heavy bolters (reg or infernus) because of the hellfire shells strat
are they going to make up the bulk fo the army? no
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 20:22
Gotcha
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 20:22
but they're a toolbox that can do a variety of different jobs that primaris can't or that primaris are too expensive to do by comparison
tekton
@tekton
May 13 2018 20:23
I think my 4th/blackreach marines (that are “grey knights” since I did them before the models came out) are slowly being turned in to deathwatch now...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 20:23
example they can all be given power weapons, and are still considerably cheaper than the same number of agressors
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 20:23
Man I love that watch captain model
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 20:24
one of the things about them though is if they don't have a transport of some kind, your list is bad and need rewrite
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 20:24
I'm going to pick up up (I've been putting it off too long) and paint it just because I :heart: it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 20:24
be it rhino, razorback, landraider, etc
watch captain or watch master?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 20:24
Erk
Watch Master, I think?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 20:25
if its the clavis/gspear guy that's the watch master
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 20:25
Watch Master.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 20:25
he's fun to paint
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 20:25
He just looks like a supreme badass, completely composed and in command
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 20:26
sadly I prefer standard watch captains for HQs in mono-deathwatch
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 13 2018 20:26
this guy?
tekton
@tekton
May 13 2018 20:38
@CrusherJoe do you know what size base the heavy weapons teams are on?
I have a really old one that’s on 40mm, but I’m assuming they’re on 60s now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 20:39
60s for new ones
tekton
@tekton
May 13 2018 20:47
Thanks
Now to see if I have an extra pair of 60s for these steel legion
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 23:52
@acebaur Yes sir, that's the one
They're 60mm
Sorry y'all I've been out celebrating Mother's Day with the GF
We'll complete the celebration this evening by going to see Infinity War with her daughter
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 13 2018 23:53
no apologizing for that!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 13 2018 23:53
Because geekin' is in this family's blood!