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16th
May 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 00:03
1.1.41 is live then
should hit appspot in a couple hours
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 16 2018 00:03
Why did we jump from .37 to .4?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 00:03
because I typo'd when I did the draft release
and was tired
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 16 2018 00:03
lol
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 00:03
because 38 and 39 were lost to the warp
if they ever show up they are probably corrupted and need to be purged XD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 16 2018 00:53
They're the lost legions!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 16 2018 02:25
Codex Harlequins Juggalos.jpg
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 16 2018 02:29
lolol
cartag
@cartag
May 16 2018 03:24
Rumor has it somebody has been data authoring again, not for 40k though
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 03:27
rumors of your demise are greatly exaggerated?
which system are you working on these days?
cartag
@cartag
May 16 2018 03:53
Gaslands
wrote the entire thing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 16 2018 03:56
Noice!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 16 2018 10:10
Holy crap he lives.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 16 2018 11:21
@acebaur you missed the mc boltgun price change...
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 11:30
Goddammit
Looks like there is some other stuff to look at anyway
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 16 2018 11:36
Oh shoot, i just realised #3090 is invalid.
Index DW termie captains dont have any wargear options.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 11:37
what do you mean?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 16 2018 11:37
The only change a DEATHWATCH Captain in Terminator Armour can make to their default equipment is to replace their power sword with a relic blade.
didnt spot that when i was looking at the issue
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 11:39
fyi there is no index option for DW tda capt anymore
the index said "use captain in TDA" so this is an entirely new datasheet
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 16 2018 11:40
if was legal in the index, it should still be legal with the codex. but its irrelevant now, since all his old options are covered in the codex
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 16 2018 11:41
^this
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 11:41
yes but here is no "Watch Captain in TDA in the index
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 16 2018 11:42
But there way
Was*
“Use captain in TDA” is still a thing

#DeprecationWasAMistake

Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 11:43
well @WindstormSCR told me that because there wasn't an entry that those options don't exist anymore
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 16 2018 11:43
Technically you still should support them
I think DW is the first one where the “use entry” things are different in the DW codex vs SM codex
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 11:47
it also references equipment lists that don't exist at all in the codex
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 16 2018 11:48
you use the equipment list from the index that the datasheet would regularly use, unless the army list for the specific faction says otherwise
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 11:49
right which is all the C:SM stuff
Anyway for the tda guy it doesn't matter be the index guy has no options basically lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 16 2018 11:53
yes, but for the captain in particular, the army list for Deatchwatch says he loses all of those options except for the relic blade.
yeah, thats what i was saying earlier ^^
Justin Gourlay
@chacolah
May 16 2018 11:59
How do you limit an option to be based off of an options entry, like how the legion options work for the CSM dex
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 16 2018 12:09
how do you mean exactly? like zerkers/noise changing category?
Justin Gourlay
@chacolah
May 16 2018 12:21
Yes, but more specifically for wargear options appearing when an option is picked
If anyone knows of a primer type document for making data files for Battlescribe that would most likely help me a lot as well
I'm a massive noob at this
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 16 2018 12:23
as far as i know, nothing recent
everyone i know of learned by reverse engineering existing files
but for legion-specific wargear, they just have a modifier to hide it with a condition that checks for the appropriate legion
legion wargear.png
Justin Gourlay
@chacolah
May 16 2018 12:27
cool, thanks.
I was allowed to make a repository for a homebrew system I'm working on a long while ago, but the barrier to entry has been somewhat daunting to me
I'll probably have to do the same and reverse engineer existing system's files.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 16 2018 12:31
if you've got any questions about data authoring, this is probably the best place to ask. there's usually people around who will be able to answer just about anything about the data editor :D
Justin Gourlay
@chacolah
May 16 2018 12:33
ok, cool
I was hesitant at first given its labeled as 40k, and I didnt want to be bugging people with "off topic" questions
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 16 2018 13:01
Hahaha! This is about the most off topic forum/chat ever
(qualifier: I don't use a lot of forums..)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
May 16 2018 14:09
@chacolah, take a look at the implementation guidelines for AoS. They're relatively specific, but there are some details around showing and hiding entries and doing conditionals. https://github.com/BSData/warhammer-age-of-sigmar/wiki/Implementation-Guidelines
Justin Gourlay
@chacolah
May 16 2018 14:11
thanks!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
May 16 2018 14:13
They've only been written in the last couple of months, so they should be relevant.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 16 2018 16:38
Screen Shot 2018-05-16 at 12.37.23 PM.png
heh
this is why i didn’t follow BCB’s demands lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 16 2018 16:52
lolol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 17:45
Holy shit those shadowseer buffs. Two powers known/cast now. -1 to hit power, FnP aura power? Clowns are damn mean
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 16 2018 19:03
Yeah, harlequins look lovely too
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 16 2018 21:06
Here's the only "Harlequin" I'm interested in...
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Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 16 2018 21:12
righto... takes all sorts I suppose
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 22:09
@FarseerVeraenthis today's clown leaks are on branch
complete with some relic and warlord validation
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 16 2018 22:10
Who doesn't like Harlie Quinn?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 22:10
depends on which one, many of them are too crazy
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 16 2018 22:18
The one from Suicide Squad was pretty good. :)
(and I don't know why so many people didn't like that movie...I thought it was fine)
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:10
I think literally half the DW reports we've gotten are because people don't read the rules lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 16 2018 23:10
That is a thing, yes.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:11
"you mean I can't make up shit because I don't want to read?!?"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:11
@acebaur once you've gotten everything ironed into shape and the profiles sorted out I'm going to go through the HQs with a fine-tooth comb and see what I can figure out in regards to RAW index/codex bullshit
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:11
XD
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:11
because the watch captain is cut and dry
but the librarian/chaplain/etc less so
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 16 2018 23:12
I hope you have a "Ministorum Priest" situation on your hands
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:12
now now
There's no need to get nasty
XD
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:14
@CrusherJoe care to share what you mean by that?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
May 16 2018 23:15
So in the Codex, the Ministorum Priest has very few options
Simple.
Easy.
However, since you have to include the damned Index options...it got complicated. Well, not really, but at the time it felt like every other day some jackass was whining about some missing thing for the priest
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:19
Well the chaplain is the opposite
Basically no options in the index
More options in the cidee
Codex
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:20
@CrusherJoe probably because the priest has been resculpted about 15 times and given different stuff each time
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:20
Except for the combi list
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:22
the biggest thing I have to figure out is how restrictions in the index play together with the entry name not changing
I'm getting an inkling of "GW dun goofed again"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 16 2018 23:25
@WindstormSCR I’m thinking the watch Captain should probably have all index Captain options
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:27
like I said, currently drawing myself logic diagrams
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 16 2018 23:28
:+1:
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:29
I think the watch captains are not eligible for index options because there is no "watch captain" datasheet in the index
The chaplain on the other hand can get the combi weapon list from the index
Because it shares a datasheet name
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 16 2018 23:30
But the watch Captain was called out as using the Captain data sheet
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:31
this is why I'm reading things veeeeery carefully
it might be the single messiest case of codex vs index to exist
also its going to matter for spacewolves
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 16 2018 23:32
Agreed
It didn’t matter for BA because they didn’t change names
DA I don’t remember exactly what happened there
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:36
who had DA
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:36
Yes they said to use the captain but there is no data sheet named watch captain
So when you use the flow chart you dead end when you get to that step
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:37
well
if we want to get techincal is by model
and this discussion has been had repeatedly, about how that is an asinine thing to do, but makes it not as cut and dry as I'd like
yeah, DA didn't lose any options, they were just a straight clone of the captain entry with different keywords
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:44
@WindstormSCR yeah true it says model but my point stands, there is no "watch captain" datasheet for it to have options from.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:45
but the index tells you what to use for said model, providing a pointer, however odd
still working through it
from what I can tell chaplains and libbies got a load of thier options back
and I'm slightly biased because GW has been shitting on "the most customizable faction" for quite some time since release
but trying not to let that get in the way of working through it peice by piece
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:47
Which is?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:47
that's what they billed DW as in 7th
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:48
Ah
Well they certainly are now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:48
then slowly started FAQing away all the things they could take
yeeeep
GW done goofed
the designer commentary overrides the specific faction index restrictions as written
Alex Baur
@acebaur
May 16 2018 23:55
what do you mean?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
May 16 2018 23:55
sec, writing out how it goes

Sorry for the caps, GW's formatting is the suck for copying:

"USE THE CODEX VERSION OF YOUR MODEL’S DATASHEET, BUT YOU CAN CHOOSE TO USE THE INDEX VERSION FOR
ITS WARGEAR OPTIONS (NOTE THAT IF THE WARGEAR HAS RULES IN THE CODEX, THESE REPLACE THE INDEX RULES)"

it specifically calls out model "wargear options" which is a defined box

nothing acting on those restricting it
is it goofy as hell? yes
am I going to complain about terminator librarians with stormshields? not on your life