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8th
Jun 2018
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:06
Both fixed.
:)
See, you are good peeps
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 00:08
a non-warlord character can't take an heirloom still :x
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:08
Hmm really?
Ah I see what I did
Parent instead of Force for hiding
Grabbing something from gas station - keep 'em coming, i'll fix when I get back
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 00:13
i cant seem to give the same character both an extra warlord trait and an extra relic
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:15
Hmm I didnt think of that
Got the fix in mind though
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 00:15
if you have both random qualities and random burdens selected, theyre mixed together, making it a real pain to use
theyre also mixed in with regular abilities, making it unclear which are qualities and which arent
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:22
I can fix that by re-labeling
But they'll be with regular abilities regardless
since that's what they are :/
but Burden:
and Quality: would help
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 00:23
could you not them their own profile type?
so theyre in their own little table
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:24
Yea, could do that
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 00:26
cawl's wrath is available to models that dont have a plasma decimator
and that's all i got for tonight cause my bedtime was over an hour ago :smile:
i'll take another look tomorrow when i get some free time
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:27
That's an easy one :p
Alright, i'll fix these and re-post the file
Night
@Crowbar90 @GenWilhelm - Changes made - NOW it should be done ;p
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 00:55
@Kohato
you're going to hate me
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:55
-.-
It's perfect.
PERFECT I SAY
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 00:55
but default should be no house selected and everything shown, as with all other cats
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:55
Actually not
IK is unique
you have to have a house
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 00:55
really
can you pass me the link for my edification?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:56
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 00:56
yeah, that's the same text as all other codexes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:56
Obviously you could skirt it with non Battleforged, but we don't deal in that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 00:57
I got bitched at endlessly over this for DE
which has the exact same wording
same with craftworlds
after the last update forced a craftworld
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 00:58
Necrons doesn't have that wording

If your army is Battle-forged, all <KABAL>,

<WYCH CULT> and <HAEMONCULUS COVEN>
units in a DRUKHARI Detachment gain a
Drukhari Obsession, so long as every other
unit in their Detachment is from the same
Kabal, Wych Cult or Haemonculus Coven (if
you include a mix of <KABAL>, <WYCH CULT>
and/or <HAEMONCULUS COVEN> units in the
same Detachment, none of those units gain an
obsession). Note that for this purpose, Lelith
Hesperax is a <WYCH CULT> unit and Urien
Rakarth is a <HAEMONCULUS COVEN> unit.

DE has the wording to allow mixed.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 01:00
ah, I see the distinction you're drawing
interesting
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 01:00
I can't see anything in DE that says if battleforged they must have the same house
Yea - it's a unique one
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 01:00
and this could forshadow un-souping of other factions
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 01:00
threw me when I started this morning
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 08 2018 01:00
“If your armyis Battle-forged, all <REGIMENT>units in an ASTRA MILITARUMDetachment (excluding those in Super-heavy Auxiliary Detachments) gain a Regimental Doctrine, so long as every unit in that Detachment (apart from the exceptions noted opposite) is drawn from the same regiment. The Regimental Doctrine gained depends upon the regiment they are drawn from, as shown opposite. For example, a CADIANunit with the Regimental Doctrines ability gains the Born Soldiers doctrine.
If your chosen regiment does not have an associated Regimental Doctrine, you may pick the doctrine that you feel best represents your army. For example, as your army of Ventrillian Nobles does not have an associated Regimental Doctrine, you can decide that the Vostroyan Heirloom Weapons doctrine best suits these wealthy and
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 01:01
"So Long as"
so AM allows mixed too
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 08 2018 01:01
Yeah guard says “as long as every unit is from the same regiment”
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 01:01
IK's the only one that says "Must"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 08 2018 01:01
Exactly
Indeed
I’ll buy that for a dollar
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 01:32
@Kohato just to check, does it specifically state the free relic for having a knight warlord that it MUST be given to that warlord?
or is it "one free relic as long as you have A knight warlord
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 01:33
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Free as long as you have a knight warlord.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 01:34
yeah, currently your cat makes it so that you can only give it to that warlord
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 01:34
Try the latest one
I'm fairly sure I just fixed that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 01:34
when techically I could use exalted court and then give it to either character
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 01:35
Yea, that was fixed
Interestingly enough
Exalted court doesn't let you give a BRB WT
to a 2nd knight
only an IK trait
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 01:41
presumably to stop knights getting FNP
I mean
not that you already can't make a knight a pain in the ass between tenacious survivor and ion bulwark + RIS
3++/6+++
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 01:42
new file uiploaded to the branch
forces 1 char per detachment
shapeways symbols from PGTM work a treat
Star Phantoms, Iron snakes, mantis warriors, rainbow warriors, fire lords, exorcists
on the dudes at least
sorry, star phantoms is wrong, for the first guy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 04:00
Marines Errant, that was it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 08 2018 05:23
@Kohato
I'll bite
Why do all the units have a ! before their names?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 08 2018 05:30
Also...I thought the Knight Lance made one knight a character without costing CPs -- or is that only if you make it your warlord?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 08 2018 05:41
Paragon Gauntlet or Ravager for the Gallant? :)
I want the Gauntlet to use the Choke Out strat and then toss it for more dmg
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 08 2018 06:06
But re-rolling 1s is too good to pass up
But....man
The WLTs, Relics and Strats for the new Knights book is straight up nutzo
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 06:27
Yeah, codex creep galore... There's nothing like as much custom twiddly stuff in the first codexes that were released...!
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 08 2018 08:31
there's no codex creep here ! ... that would imply some stealth, subterfuge or subtlety ... this outright codex rampage, Armageddon... Codex Carnage! ...
I like it ... a lot ... I don't have any knights and I still think it's awesomesauce ... but ... mah poor marines
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:04
!s were my organizational tool
Check the latest one.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:16
@Kohato i've had a very productive morning thanks to you
Super-heavy Auxiliary behaves strangely in regard to traditions. Not sure if there's a reasonable way to fix this.
Supreme Command shouldn't have traditions nor force/allow a character selection.
Could Shieldbreaker Missiles be collective, or just make them the direct children of the "Cannons & Missiles" selections?
Castellan and Valiant should have 2x Twin Meltagun.
Using Exalted Court on the Warlord should not allow it to take a second Warlord Trait.
Why does the "Heirlooms" character type exist; it doesn't seem to do anything?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:27
For the last point - have you done the latest version i threw on IK-Codex?
I can fix 2, 3, 4, 5
what do you mean by 1
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:29
the tradition is automatically selected and then says i cant have any (hidden). the only way to remove the warning is to manually delete the tradition from the roster
and yeah, im using v9.1 from 9hrs ago
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:31
Hrmm
It's auto added cause it's required in force
But I have the houses hidden if aux .. let me fiddle
As for "Heirlooms of the Household Relic"
That character type exists to facilitate the relic Strat
It shows relics on the character without there being a warlord
if the Strat is there
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:33
but that strat seems to be working correctly without using the "Heirloom" character type
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:34
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No?
If I don't have the heirlooms character selected - this duder has no relics
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:34
you dont have a warlord
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:34
Right
you don't need one
if you use the strat
Ah I see what you mean
hmm how to do that
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:36
ah i see. so could you change the hide condition on the heirlooms to check for the strat instead of the character type?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:36
Yea I'll try that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:42
FIXED - Necessary Side effect, Household Tradition won't auto load anymore - Super-heavy Auxiliary behaves strangely in regard to traditions. Not sure if there's a reasonable way to fix this.
FIXED - Supreme Command shouldn't have traditions nor force/allow a character selection.
The missiles - they're pointed per missile but have to be taken in twos
so they can't be direct children profiles
FIXED - Castellan and Valiant should have 2x Twin Meltagun.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:44
why not? just have one be min4/max4 and the other be min2/max2?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:45
Like that?
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Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:45
yea
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:45
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FIXED - Could Shieldbreaker Missiles be collective, or just make them the direct children of the "Cannons & Missiles" selections?
FIXED - using Exalted Court on the Warlord should not allow it to take a second Warlord Trait. - Warlord and Exalted Trait are hidden if the other is taken.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:50
without the "Heirloom" type, you could just make that group max 1, couldnt you?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:50
It is I think
Aye
max 1 heirloom in roster - increment based on the strat
So if you have a warlord the choice in "Character" does nothing
but it needs to be there in the scenario that you don't have an IK warlord but do have the strat
hmmm
Hide if warlord I suppose
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:53
i was talking about the "character type" group
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:53
Yea, that'll be best I think
Ahh I tried that before
but then: "Can't take give a non WL an extra trait and a relic"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:54
but you're validating relics separately now, arent you?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:54
Well bully
Yepper
Changing now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 10:55
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 10:57
There, max 1 - and hidden if you have a warlord in the force
since it's not needed in that case.
uploaded new copy - I'm still fiddling with relics and that character flag
I think have have a cleaner way to do it, i'll poke when I get to work
keep the bug scouring coming :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 11:35
It's typo time!
Freeblade Qualities and Burdens rule: "teh"x2, "reults"
Sacristan Forgeshrine, Auto-Sacristan: "shoor", "Refueling"
Sacristan Forgeshrine, Ritual of Repairing: "vehicleregains"
Omnissiah's Grace: "tim e", "amodel", "woundw as", "woundbeing"
Relentless Advance: "Asasult"
Cold Fury: "addiiton", "faile dhit"
Dual Plasma Core Explosion: "recuded"
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 08 2018 11:36
recuded ... good word !
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 11:36
you dont want to know what happens when a knight is recuded to 0 wounds...
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter closes his innocent eyes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 11:40
Woo fast and inaccurate typing :p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 12:11
Castellan isnt enforcing 2x twin melta.
Knight Preceptor should be able to replace its stubber with a multi-laser.
Knight Preceptor should be 385pts.
Reaper Chainsword should be S+6.
that's all ive found outside of relics
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 12:12
O.o it's not? I have min/max 2
That's ... odd
Also - thanks, i'll fix those other two
what you mean outside relics? Just haven't tested those?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 12:13
you said you were still fiddling, so i havent looked too close at them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 12:14
Ahh. Just fiddling with the logic to hide/show them with the relic strat
the relics themselves should be set
and hiding properly based on house, type, etc
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 12:15
ah, that was all good from what i saw last night
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 12:15
They should also be set for FW
I'm fairly sure the logic I have will hide properly for them as well
ah cool
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 08 2018 12:47
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/jackzenger/files/2013/06/avoid-responding-or-arguing.jpg
@GenWilhelm "WTF is this @Kohato ?! ... fix yo shit!"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 12:48
That picture is at odds with the file name
Baldie looks like he's gonna shank a fattie.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Jun 08 2018 12:48
internet stock image sorry ... it was this or a monkey talking about flinging poo
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 13:04
you made the correct choice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 13:43
All fixed:
Listed Typos
Castellan isnt enforcing 2x twin melta.
Knight Preceptor should be able to replace its stubber with a multi-laser.
Knight Preceptor should be 385pts.
Reaper Chainsword should be S+6.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 13:44
you know, it's quite funny the effect that being part of this chat has...
prior to the excitement on here I wasn't really bothered about knights... now there is a nagging sense that I should care more and start planning on how to start a knight army
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 13:47
I mean you still shouldn't be "Bothered"
They're still fairly easy to kill
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 13:47
hehe. i like the insight into the way each codex is built/structured to encourage certain types of lists. the way we pick apart each book and boil it down to its core is really good at that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 13:47
unless you're Joe and run a Dominus, 2 Questoris, and 2 batallions of IG
then ... well that's just mean.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 13:47
dont forget to run 3 banana hammocks
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 13:48
Right right, for maximum banana queso
However, you should start an IK army
because ... Mother Fuckin Giant Robots.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 13:49
just a trio of armigers is easy enough to splash into any 2k imp list
Such an underrated cartoon (Megas XLR)
I want a mini of the lumberjack fucker from the trailer for IK codex
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 08 2018 14:22
Someone, quick...where's the info on why Daemons aren't in the Death Guard datafile
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 14:23
#2445
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 14:23
Wow
On the ball
You must see 2445 in your sleep
lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 14:24
we get at least one of those every week, so its only a matter of time
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 14:56
Everything mentioned has been fixed - last thing on my to-do, swap wound tracks with a custom one that marks M/WS/BS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 15:46
@CrusherJoe @Crowbar90 @GenWilhelm - IK should be done now
final round of prettying changes up if you want to tear it apart again
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 08 2018 16:38
Where is it?
The branch?
Also
I want to tell you thanks for doing all this @ho
.....fuck
I want to tell you thanks for doing all this @Kohato
My fingers are NOT obeying me this morning
ugh
Also
I would like to point out that if your hobby project includes the step "Now break out the JB-Weld" things may have come a little off the rails
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 16:50
Aye on the branch.
Np. Crons and ik are my favorite things. Glad to do it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 17:15
Also. Jb weld is the best tool to have.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 08 2018 17:19
Oh I'm not denying that
When you need it, nothing else will do
Also, this:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 17:32
I do like how knights can fall back from swarms now
And thanks, watching through to see if changes to base knights
God his auto mute is disconcerting
And it's only noticible because of those crickets
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 18:31
Forcing characters on superheavy, but not on aux/supreme command, then allowing house choices without the abilities is wonky
Found a couple more things to change with regards to the relics :/
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 18:54
Fixed. NOW it should be good. up on the branch. It should work all properly in Superheavy, Aux, and Supreme Command.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 19:22
@FarseerVeraenthis
list of chapters currently represented by my deathwatch:
Angels of Vengeance, Argent Talons, Auric Castellans, Auric Ravens, Black Dragons, Black Templars, Blood Drinkers, Blood Ravens, Brazen Claws, Carmine Blades, Charcarodons, Consecrators, Crimson Fists, Crimson Sun, Death Spectres, Executioners, Exorcists, Fire Hawks, Fire Lords, Flesh Tearers, Guardians of the Covenant, Halo Chapter, Howling Gryphons, Imperial Harbingers, Imperial Paladins, Imperial Talons, Invaders, Iron Drakes, Iron Lords, Iron Snakes, Knights of Gryphonne, Knights of the Raven, Mantis Warriors, Marines Errant, Mentors, Minotaurs, Mortifactors, Rainbow Warriors, Rainbow Warriors, Red Legion, Red Wolves, Scythes of the Emperor, Silver Skulls, Solar Hawks, Sons of Guilliman, Sons of Orar, Star Dragons, Star Phantoms, Storm Wardens, Storm Wings, Stormwatchers, Tauran, Tigers Argent, White Minotaurs, White Panthers
Plus all 9 first foundings
crazy mode: all of them are accurate to their lexicanum entry and existing images thanks to shapeways magic
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 19:25
Well that's a diverse crowd
How do you stop the fire lords from ... catching on fire
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 19:25
Executioners [...] Star Phantoms
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 19:25
and the flesh tearers from eating their comrads
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 19:25
i see you're a man of excellent taste
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 19:27
@GenWilhelm since you like the different chapters, imagine the rip and tear on these two:
Close Combat vet squad made up of: Mortifactors, Blood Drinkers, Carmine Blades, Black Templars, and Angels of Vengeance
and another close combat squad of: Black Dragons, Charcarodons, Minotaurs, Scythes of the emperor, Star Phantoms, and a Blackshield
neither is going to end well for anybody
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 19:52
that's a comprehensive list of dudes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 19:52
Ultras doing what they do and founding more chapters than anyone
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 19:53
I've definitely not put in so much effort with my chapters and dudes, partly because I don't know the background in that much depth and breadth, but there has been some thought at least :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 19:53
my goal has been to never have more than 2 dudes from each successor, and no more than 4 from any first founding chapter
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 19:54
righto, I just mix and match how I see fit :smile:
also, depends which colours I feel like painting
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 19:54
its going to look great when I'm finally done though
a truly imperium-spanning watch fortress assembly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 19:55
yeah, I saw a Deathwatch army at the group I game with and once the colours are on the pauldron it really makes them pop from "black and silver" to "something special"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 19:55
@FarseerVeraenthis I do recommend the shapeways shoulderpads, they're quality job
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 19:55
linky??
he has like 26 different origin sets
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 19:56
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 19:56
if you're trying to adapt already-smooth pads
results for me so far:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 19:58
you're missing novamarines I think...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 19:59
no, that list I posted for some reason hadn't picked up my primaris section
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 20:00
I seeeeeee!!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 20:00
which adds novas, raptors, mentors, sons of medusa, and fire drakes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 20:00
:+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 20:00
also hawk lords
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 08 2018 20:01
@WindstormSCR I bow to your hobby greatness
:+1:
Like seriously, that's damned impressive.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 20:02
uhuh, incredible
I'm definitely not in the same league of Deathwatch geekiness as that
but now I want to go and list all the Chapters of all my dudes in my (already existing) spreadhseet
(brb)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 20:05
@WindstormSCR yeah, i read up on a bunch of different chapters when i played some deathwatch rpg. the executioners were my first pick, but they weren't back from their penance yet, so i ended up playing a star phantom :smile:
my brothers kept using words like "collateral" and "overkill". any ideas what they may have been talking about?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 20:08
Haha
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 20:14
that mantis warrior in the middle looks super sweet, btw. i love when people support the lesser-known chapters :smile:
(as you may have noticed, i have a soft spot for the badab war)
oh here's something one of you guys may know - salamanders in the deathwatch; which way does their chapter symbol face?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 20:17
the symbol is always reversed from normal facing
most chapters are symmetrical, so you don't notice
but raptors, wolves, salamanders, disciples of caliban, any of the asymmetrical ones should be the reverse of "standard"
you can see this easily when looking at the pads that come in the DW kt box
they're all the reverse facing of 'standard' because they go on the right instead of left
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 20:19
so they should face forwards?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 20:19
always
and funnily enough, that's actually just a rule they borrowed from the actual english heraldry system
well, european, aside from the belgians
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 20:20
thats interesting because in the rpg they take their left shoulder and wear it on the right, so asymmetric symbols end up facing backwards
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 20:21
because FFG didn't give a flying shit about the tiny details
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 20:21
is that literally the reason?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 20:21
pretty much
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 08 2018 20:21
huh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 20:21
none of them read the original chapter approved that introduced deathwatch, where the reversal of the shoulderpad was originally called out
for a long time the only support DW had was a set of metal conversion bits, and a decal sheet with reversed symbols
and a single apoc formation a few years after they showed up
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 20:23
:+1:
yup, always facing forwards, none of this "running away" business
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 20:25
there is one exception
if the chapter of origin already reversed the image to differentiate from a parent chapter
example white panthers are facing backwards as a reversal of tigers argent
see also the black consul/white consul shift
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 20:27
I see, good point
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 08 2018 20:28
It also goes along with Military tradition of the shoulder flag always faces forward, “Always Advancing”
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 20:28
also, this has been a fortuitous diversion from painting - I found the special weapons I magnetised that I have been looking for - they were in my "extra box of Deathwatch dudes" box
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 21:06
My Deathwatch inventory looks like this
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A total of 74 dudes with recorded chapters
I have 90 Deathwatch models, the difference is either dudes that are not yet built, or have not got a "proper" chapter specific shoulder pad
so, I might very well have to take @WindstormSCR up on the offer of a shapeways set
well, as in, follow the link and buy some for myself :wink:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 21:19
they're good quality, I'm looking forward to painting the two squads I'm building using them
one of which is a storm warden with a heavy thunder hammer
I don't care if its points inefficient
I'm going to make a 2x HTH, 3x TH 2x inferno pistol wrecking ball
with 2 stormshield friends for them
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 21:27
sounds great, expensive but fabulous!! How do you find the fit of the symbols to the pads??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 21:27
dry fit them to figure out how the curve matches best
some are obvious and easy, others less so
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 21:28
righto, so it's not a case of just line them up in the middle and away you go??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 08 2018 21:28
but if you're using the premade full shoulders, no different to the regular plastic pads
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 08 2018 21:30
:+1:
now I just have to wait for my birthday / payday
(only a couple of weeks, nothing dramatic)
for now, sleepy time
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 08 2018 21:48
@/all Knights are up on a branch. Should be ready to push. Anyone wanna validate? Joe and will have done great so far. If no issues we can push tomorrow:)
tekton
@tekton
Jun 08 2018 23:44
Hoping to get my codex soon, so I’ll check it laster too