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Jun 2018
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 00:22
Looks sexy amis
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 10:01
Another use-case: there are sometimes people who immediately want to use the fix we already have on master, but not yet released. Now we can point them to these standalone.bsr artifacts instead of either asking them to wait patiently, or describing how to manually get these files from GitHub! :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 13:05
@amis92
That 's sexy
I see the Build #3 passed
that's awesome
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 13:25
Well, to be fair, currently the build doesn't really check anything, so if it fails, it's probably my tool's fault :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 13:29
haha
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 13:29
I've opened and re-saved T'au catalogue in v2.02 beta. 24k lines turned into a little over 10k (-55%). Physical file size isn't that different: 1,187KB -> 854KB (-28%) but still nice.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 13:30
That's a decent savings in BS terms
I like to see cats under 1mb
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 13:31
You've got to love Astra Telepathica. 43KB -> 32KB. Smallest in 40k repo.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 13:34
its actually going to have a use now :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 13:35
haha
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 13:35
@GenWilhelm what is?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 13:35
also, whats our naming scheme for libraries going to be?
the AAT cat is
since theyre all in the guard cat anyway
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 13:36

Ah :D

Good question [library naming scheme]. Any suggestions?

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 13:38
is Library - <Name> or Library - <Faction> - <Name> too obvious?
basically just our current scheme, but with Library at the front
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 13:40
Might get lenghty...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 14:44
There shouldn't be that many libraries tho? Astra Mil, Chaos, Adeptus Astartes?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 14:44
I think all Top factions will have one, Imperium, Aeldari, Chaos
Forge World things for marines
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 14:46
I haven't looked yet, but you can have multiple imports ,right?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 14:46
yeah
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 14:48
So, "Library - Imperium" would mostly contain weapon profiles, then a "Library - Adeptus Astartes" with shared units (Tac Marines, etc.) and then, for instance, Blood Angels, which has Death Company etc.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 14:48
Erk
Work has been insanity the last couple of days
So someone needs to bring me up to speed on all this new importing and appveyor and so on LOL
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 14:50
Yeah, I haven't had chance to properly look at BS 2.02 either! That's tomorrow night's job.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 14:53
appveyor, as i understand it, performs tests on any commit we do and then automatically indexes it in the same manner as appspot, so you can easy import the data into bscribe exactly as it was at the moment of that commit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 14:54
no tests yet.
the rest, yes
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 14:54
@GenWilhelm, in theory, we could build a "Library - Weapon Profiles" and put all of the ones that are shared between Imperium and Chaos in there and get them out of the GST.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 14:54
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
08:25
Well, to be fair, currently the build doesn't really check anything, so if it fails, it's probably my tool's fault :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 14:56
@Mad-Spy in theory, yeah
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 14:57
Might I recommend waiting for official release of 2.02 before finalizing structure? there are bound to be some bugs, some of which we might have to work around
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 14:57
we could make it so that the only things in the gst are things available to all factions - ie. warlord traits and fortifications
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 14:57
Also there is the issue of how much we really need to break things up
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 14:57
Yes, eventually. My plan for Chaos is to build a library with all the shared units, and then pull them into the faction cats.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 14:58
while some cats could benefit, aside from FWAA and chaos there isn't a hideously pressing need to do it
even eldar aren't in pressing need of it, the only things that might benefit are the webway gate and ynnari shenanigans (and that's a major rewrite of validation logic)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 14:59
not right now, but it will make maintenance easier in the long run as you'll only need to change a shared unit once. It also provides consistency between catalogues which have the same unit.
which has historically been a problem in Marine catalogues.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 14:59
true
it does mean that astartes will need a master keeper similar to Astra Mil
also deathwatch should only inherit FWAA, its units are actually designed differently than the usual datasheets
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 15:01
^^ The only problem might come when some catalogues have different options for the same unit
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:01
technically Elysians and DKOK would benefit for some things
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2018 15:01
I nominate @CrusherJoe for the Astartes overlord position lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 15:01
I also means I can pull from AM and FW to get Renegades units.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:01
Yeah
None of the libraries get pushed to users, right?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 15:02
no
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 15:02
@alphalas I was actually thinking @Thairne or @Crowbar90 if they're up for it, since they maintain BA/DA andhave a good grab on what the astartes issues are
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 15:02
One day I might go as far as actually breaking out the Codex: CSM legions into individual files, but that's a way off.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:02
So technically we could do a big ol' master AM library, then import it for actual AM, Elysians, DKOK
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 15:03
@Mad-Spy the problem with that is it makes mixed lists a nightmare, which we do have to support
so while we could turbo-breakup stuff, there are disadvantages if we go too far
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:04
It would sure be nice to not have to update everything shared across several cats
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2018 15:05
@CrusherJoe yes and no from what I can see
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:05
Also...while SW don't exactly have a LOT shared with other AA there are some things...so maybe update it with the new paradigm while updating it for new codex?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2018 15:05
Especially since DKoK/Elysians have very limited lists of what they use from codex
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 15:09
krieg and codex have a decent amount of overlap in terms of FW units. and there's ahem some existing consistency issues between them atm
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:10
Oh? Do tell.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 15:10
off the top of my head, the hellhound
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 15:13
@WindstormSCR, yes, it does, but I would guess that the number of people (apart from BCB :smile:) who actually use mixed detachments is minimal.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 15:14
I guess my perspective is skewed because its more common with eldar
@alphalas it does mean that as soon as this is out of beta I'm up for setting up the HH rewrite
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 15:16

None of the libraries get pushed to users, right?

Well, they will get "pushed" in terms of being downloaded, but they won't be visible in UI.

Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 15:22

Okay, I'm not sure it's new, but we can mark entry links as collective and add constraints to them, which means NO MORE DUPLICATE collective+non-collective ENTRIES!!!

or am I the only one who did such things...?

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 15:22
I did such things :smile: in Necrons
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 15:22
its a nice change
but
tbh having two entry types makes for overall less lines if both collective and non-collective are heavily used
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:23
Hey y'all
I've got a rules question I wish to present to the group for comments/opinions
The Sally Forth! knight strat
Use this Stratagem during deployment. You can send one QUESTOR IMPERIALIS QUESTORIS CLASS or ARMIGER CLASS unit from your army to outflank the enemy instead of setting it up on the battlefield. At the end of any of your Movement phases this unit can join the battle – set it up so that it is within 6" of any battlefield edge and more than 9" away from any enemy models. You can only use this Stratagem once per battle.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 15:24
Can you do it turn 1?
Not with the new rules.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:25
Well you can do it into your own depolyment zone no problem
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 15:25
Yea,
That you can do
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:25
But there is chatter in the wilds that it can be done first time board-wide
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 15:25
Why would it be able to be done outside your own zone?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 15:25
no
the only time the board-wide restriction is lifted is if the unit starts on the board
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 15:26
^
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 15:26
see: da jump, GK shunt, harlequin heroes path, etc
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 15:26
The beta rule is pretty clear
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:27
Da Jump can be used turn 1 if I remember correctly
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 15:27
"Any unit that arrives on the battlefield during a player's first turn must be wholly within the controlling player's deployment zone." Does not apply to GSC Cult Ambush or setup after setup but before turn start.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 15:27
that's the point
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 15:27
Da Jump takes a unit that already started on the board.
Strat gives a knight Deep strike
There is no ambiguity - tell your players to stop trying to cheese their way to a win
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:28
I would
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 15:28
(Assuming this came from your players :p )
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:29
But it's more satisfying to smack their noses with a newspaper and spray water on them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 15:29
haha
Show them the beta rule, and ask them how the knight strategem allows a turn 1 strike.,
Let them hear their own failed attempts at an explanation
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 14 2018 15:30
I swear I think I'm going to video them giving their justification reason and then play them back
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 15:31
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In case you need a quick link to the rule.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at your local scene for games. I can imagine the fun that you have to deal with
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 14 2018 17:22

Astartes overlord? Hum. Chapter Master Thairne.
No.. no no no. Supreme Grand Master Thairne!
No.NONONONO!

Primarch Thairne! Lord of the Legions, Fixer of issues, The Confused one!

Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 14 2018 17:30
You should put that in your display name 😂
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 14 2018 17:38
You think?
I might one day... But first I had something other to do that I wanted to for a few days now...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 17:52
part of the reason for the suggestion is purely because DA has the cleanest unit implementation across all the astartes cats (bar deathwatch which is its own animal)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 14 2018 17:59
tyvm, I see that as a compliment :P I still kinda hate the left hand right hand stuff, but well...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 18:57
Amis, that build thingy works fast
I like it
That's the link for mah game tonight
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 19:56
OK, I love the fact that I can now insert extra options into a SSEG on a per link basis. This will save so many conditionals...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 20:28
linking to more than one catalogue bricks my editor. anyone else experiencing this?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 14 2018 20:40
Mine was quite temperamental when adding cat links at all.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 20:41
using the drop-down list just hangs the right side for me. copying in the UID works fine though
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 22:48
@CrusherJoe - I'll be TheDrToboggan while I ridicule your opponent in your favor.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2018 22:57
Oh I plan on heckling joe lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 22:58
You moved there?!
Scrub!!!
God damn joe
it's 6pm
why has it not started
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 23:01
"Our players are running late - we'll get started asap."
SadTrombone.mp4
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 23:02
":This event is live, let me redirect you"
Redirects to BoLS - offline
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2018 23:06
Well that’s fine for me lol
I’m still on the road
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 23:08
"A match so boring even Jon didn't watch it"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2018 23:11
Ima gunna text Beddoe and start the heckling early
Lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 23:12
Ask him if the stream is off cause he lost that fast
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 23:12
I'm going to post shameful display image macros if he doesn't kill the tantalus :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 23:20
Which one's joe
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 23:22
on the right, apparently
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 23:22
Haha
Just got that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 14 2018 23:34
@WindstormSCR are you windstrike on twitch?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 23:35
yep
how did you know? :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 14 2018 23:52
and this reinforces my points about vulker/hawk
anyone playing anything else is doing it wrong
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 23:53
I'll be doing vulker
Teranis sometimes for fun with the rez strat
Did he lose 2 knights already?
I don't see the 3rd anywhere
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 14 2018 23:57
one is outflanking
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 14 2018 23:57
Ahh gotcha