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15th
Jun 2018
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 15 2018 00:09
I should really change my SN sometime.
I use DrToboggan way more elsewhere
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 00:49
I love how my Facebook chat is blowing up his phone lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 15 2018 00:52
lmao
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 15 2018 01:10
I keep giving him shit for it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 02:21
...3 hours later and they’re still on t3
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 15 2018 02:22
hahah
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 02:23
I keep tagging him in the FB group just to change the tones
Since he won’t put it on silent lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 15 2018 02:24
That's the best lol
ever since stream restarted 1080p is only option :(
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 02:25
Yeah I can’t keep it going for more then 10 seconds with the video on
Background I can listen
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 02:33
Did he just chuck the tantalus?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 15 2018 02:38
Hahah did he?
I love it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 02:46
I think it was a raider
tantalus died to shooting
tekton
@tekton
Jun 15 2018 02:46
Still- awesome and well done
The stream cut out for me again :worried:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 03:15
Joe lost, 26-17
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 03:16
I'm not overly familiar with ITC rules, but that seems to be a big problem with knights: scoring
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 15 2018 03:18
Yea :(
And yea. Knights always were going to be bad at scoring
Table or bust
Fun heckles. Now to sleep
As joe would say. Bye y’all
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:11
Well
THAT was fun LOL
What did we learn?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:12
Joe can’t play knights?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:12
Outflanking a knight was stupid
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:13
Joe sucks at rolling dice?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:13
OMG
Those first two turns I couldn't roll for shit
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:13
Joe needs to put his phone on silent when he’s on twitch?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:13
correction: outflanking a knight vs a highly mobile army capable of massive area denial was stupid
throwing the raider was funny though (I missed some of the stream because I had an errand to run, but I heard you threw one)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:14
That was probably the worst I've ever rolled in a game of 40k in years
I have to say though the gallant was a warrior
I think Landstrider was a waste? 4++ may have been better on it. I dunno
Once I got the pressure off the knights and killed the damned ravagers it was clean up work
But Chris is a good player and he jumped way ahead first couple of turns
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:17
@CrusherJoe just remember the silent switch on you phone is your friend lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:18
Because of my work totally silencing my phone isn't an option unfortunately
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:18
As soon as I realized it was the FB chat blowing up your phone I had a field day lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:18
LOL!!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:18
That seizure your phone had t4 was gold though
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:19
I learned something though -- if a DE player does put ravagers/tantalus/etc. in deepstrike and you want to know where they're going to come in...look for the Archon
Oh yeah
dingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingdingding pause dingdingdingdingding
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:19
It’s like it just renotified you of all the messages since 8 lol
Don’t forget about the bloopbloops that were in there too
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:20
Well guys I'm sorry I couldn't pull out a win
All things considered though I think I did pretty well considering how bloody awful the first two turns were
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:20
That was me tagging you to break up the dings
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:20
hahahahahaaaaa
Nice
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:21
Yeah your cleanup was decent
But...
A knight died
T
1
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:21
Yes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:21
FOR SHAME JOE
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:21
Yes well 6 dark lances will do that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 04:22
Very true
I was still brush cutting at that point so I was missing the finer points since you dudes weren’t mic’d up
But @Kohato and I were your trollleaders all game lol
@WindstormSCR and @GenWilhelm put in some good work too
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:24
Thank you guys!
Man I really don't know knights well....it was painful how long it was taking me to figure things out
Larry said they discovered the Helverins were baller a week before
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:25
@CrusherJoe I'd say consider replaying that matchup with a valiant and using house vulker on it
instead of hawk
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:25
Why a Valiant and Vulker?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:26
valiant autohits, so it takes away that shitty -1 to hit, and the conflag gun has enough strength to obliterate ravagers
the other reason is saturation bombardment
endless fury + saturation bombardment vulker strat = 3 hits per 6+
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:26
....
Okay you have my attention
Aw man they're mechanicus
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:28
hawkshroud might be better durability wise, but you could drop out the second guard battery to take some admech instead (stygies rangers) with 2x enginseers or an enginseer and a dominus
that gives you repair access, and the ability to give knights canticles if you roll shroudpsalm or +1 to hit
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:29
That's very true
Stygies is -1 to hit, right?
But only for the actual AdMech part
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:29
yes, and if you need to, the RG style infiltrate
which means rangers on objectives T1
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:29
Ooooh and chickenwalkers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:30
and they're not just shitty chaff either
30" range, str 4 guns, 4+ base armor, and if you need to nail character buffers take an arquebus or two
my current planned CP battery/camper addition to my DW:
reason for the data tethers is it gives you access to +2 to hit if you need to mess up something with serious hit malus
for 1 CP
the two arquebus squad can do enough damage to characters and vehicles to make them a worthy distraction target
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:33
Hmmmmm
I like it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:33
because str 7, -2, D3, and can pick out characters
two enginseers can just babysit knights all game
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:34
I hear what you're saying...but man...Hawkshroud really saved my bacon
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:35
I play iyanden, I know, what you really need to do there is expend some of the relic/WLT power of the knights on durability
example: Castellan(or valiant), crusader, gallant, stuff
vs that razor meatloaf I'd take something like this:
(closest to a TAC knight list I can make)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:45
sec, checking a rule
@CrusherJoe
reasoning:
crusader sits back, always wounded on 4s regardless, and gets 2 wounds back per turn from techs behind
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:51
guard can screen the crusader from charge shenanigans, allowing it to maintain operation longer, and it is your go-to for saturation bombardment because it applies to ALL WEAPONS
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:52
Hmmmmmmmm
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:52
the rangers can menace characters and camp on outfield objectives by using the stygies pre-game infiltrate to get there, bypassing beta rule restrictions
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:52
I shall consider this seriously
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:52
(basically using them like eldar rangers)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:52
Those are some very well thought out reasons. I like them.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:53
the gallant is the distraction, the real workhorse of the list is the crusader and warden, and both are made more durable via WLTs
warden has a native 4++, crusader by "fuck your guns, roll 4s" and constant repair
if you really want to fuck with someone, skip the paragon gauntlet and give the warden mark of the omnissiah
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:54
I don't see Everlasting Fury
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:54
its on the crusader
because you want the 14-shot gun on your saturation bombardment strat target
so that you can pretty much assume 6 hits minimum plus rolls
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:54
Ah I must have missed it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:55
then you get the added advantage of it working on the RFBC too
and the missile pod
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:55
Yep I dig it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:55
the thing about rangers is, they are hard to dig out
and the ability for a knight to suddenly canticles is actually scary
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:56
What does Shroudspalm do?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:56
gives you the effect of cover
though chant of the remorseless fist (reroll fight phase 1s) is equally scary on a gallant
2s rerolling to stomp on things
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:57
mmmmmmmm
The thought of that makes me smile
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 04:58
benediction of the omnissiah is reroll all failed hits
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:58
Do you roll for canticles or can you choose them?
though there are stratagems to change it mid-turn if you must
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 04:59
Okay I'm kinda digging it
Roll for the turns you don't really need it (can you choose one your rolled previously?)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:00
yeah
you only "burn" them when you pick
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:01
Sweet
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:01
there are also some nice 1CP effects in the admech strats for knights repairing or acting as if full statline
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:01
Okay I'm going to put that together -- I have a good friend (Ryan our Master of Terrain) that's a huge cog-head. I can borrow things from him to test it out
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:02
the thing though, is you really have to watch your fire priorities, because you have a huge chunk of firepower in the knights
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:02
True that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:02
the Helverine is the secret weapon in the list vs ravager spam
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:02
I'm thinking two or three of those, hoenstly
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:02
use the skyripper protocols strat, get +1 to hit, nail a different ravager with each cannon
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:03
They would shred ravagers
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:03
tbh
I think that list I posted is the best TAC affair
because you need CPs like crazy
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:03
Why the warden though?
I'm really not crazy about non-max shooty knights
The gallant was a star tonight but...I feel like I'm wasting a RFBC slot
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:04
Avenger GC is the best of the bunch, and its versatile, can threaten heavy armor and armor-heavy lists by just walking up with the gallant
so the lists (that aren't DE) that would normally concern you are the armor heavy ones
because for most factions, the anti-knight weaponry is either on dudes (which you are well equipped to shred quickly) or on tanks
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:05
Yeah the paragon gauntlet will wreck a baneblade in one go
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:05
with only two stormspears and an RFBC, you want to make sure the gallant has some backup
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:06
The stormspear really surprised me
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:06
the helverine will do work on medium and light armor, but the reaper chainblade will fuck up heavy stuff
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:06
I didn't think it was that good
So the warden and the gallant move forward to engage heavy things
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:06
so if you find yourself facing a tank company, instead of attrition it turns into full tilt
consider that questor mech also gets you these:
MW protection, and "brackets? what brackets?"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:08
Hmm. Yes.
Okay man you've sold me. I'll put it together and see what happens.
So I got to see the Soul Wars box minis painted up
Those new death minis are SEXY af
They're very intricate. Some of the best models GW's made. They're really good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:11
let me know how it goes, I'm going to be using the ranger battery for my deathwatch purely because it allows me the same 13 CP but more flexibility
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:11
Thank you for walking me through that @WindstormSCR
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:11
one other option to explore is dropping the helverine for a manti/basi
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:12
Yeah I missed my arty tonight for sure
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:12
NP, mostly my friend's ideas that he's been exploring
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:12
Losing that Crusader right up front REALLY hurt
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:12
he's got 7 knights now, and runs them vulker
vulker castellan with adamantium knight and RIS is a painfully scary thing to try and kill
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:13
AK only increases armor save, right?
Oh no I'm reading it now
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:15

"my scorpion gets 14 shots, 12 hits (guide), and then needs 3s.... 4s to wound.... 4 wounds."
"made 3 4++, only takes 3 damage"

his turn
"1 cp, master of machines x3, its back to full again"

750 points of scorpion pulsar, and only 3 wounds
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:16
What does master of machines do?
And where does it come from? AdMech?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:16
that's the techpriest repair
the 1cp is for tech adept to use it twice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:16
lulz
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:18
According to that you can only get repaired 1/turn?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:19
So that's two points
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:19
the last was from the mark relic
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:19
"mark relic"?
you can imagine how silly that gets when the thing is only wounded on 4s in the first place
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:22
Yes....oh boy
Okay...bedtime
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 05:22
mechanicus has all the fun
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 05:22
Thanks again. I'm going to try that out, maybe this weekend. :)
Nite, y'all. :)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2018 09:20
Ah, the Primarch of Legions, @Thairne himself!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 10:03
Indeed, it is I!
Transports for Secutarii. Interesting. The fact that kataphrons are excluded however makes me think - those dont have the secutarii keyword... Could standard skitarii also be meant to be transportable?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 10:07
admech got a transport?!
what timeline are we in?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 10:08
40k
It's also <FORGEWORLD> INFANTRY, which covers Skitarii doesn't it?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 10:08
yup
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 10:52
oh, it doesnt have canticles...
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2018 11:03
Since it's available for SM and CSM as well, maybe it should be in gst?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:03
I think it already is?
I don't remember having to set it up from scratch in FWHA
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:05
this thing is slightly different to the one SM and CSM got previously
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:06
if it's different then it's a replacement datasheet and they#ll all need updating.
what's different, apart from it being available to AdMech now?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2018 11:08
Yeah, well, the rules download on Termite's FW page were replaced with these new, so I don't know what's new :D
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:08
Interestingly, they are actually 2 different filenames, but with the same content.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:09
it lost all its hellforged abilities
and it no longer causes MWs when it arrives
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:10
so they've made it crappier?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2018 11:10
Also re transporting Skitarii, I think it's intended:
image.png
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:11
it can transport <FORGEWORLD> INFANTRY, so it can clearly transport Skitarii, as they have both those keywords.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:11
its weapons and weapon options have also changed around quite a bit
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:15
OK, then I'm calling different unit. The datasheet was previously for "Hellforged Termite".
This unit is not that unit.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:15
yeah, that was my thought too
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2018 11:15
Isn't it for the same model? Are there still rules for the Hellforged one?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:15
this is the something-pattern termite
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:16
A datasheet exists on Forgeworld's site for something called a "Hellforged Termite" (https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads//Hellforged_Termite_40k.pdf)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:17
The requested URL /resources/PDF/Downloads//Hellforged_Termite_40k.pdf)/ was not found.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 11:17
dead link for me too
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:17
oops, copied a / on the end
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:17
oh yeah, bad link
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 11:17
different name, different sheet, different unit
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:17
^^
regardless of whether it's the same physical model.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 11:18
removing the old one would be a bit ambiguous... and it doesn't hurt
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:19
and it's way better :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:19
it's possibly legal to play with the old rules, so include it :smile:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:19
so, someone just needs to put the new one in the GST then.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 11:20
wasnt there a FW cat for FW models? Jeez, I'm so out of date by having nothing to do in cats..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:20
only for space marines
since they have like 10 different cats
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 11:20
well this thing can be taken by marines too..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:21
yeah, until we have libraries, the best (easiest) way is to put it in the gst
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2018 11:22
Okay, but where are these old rules available?

If they're not, it's clearly rule deprecation.

Unless it's there somewhere, in an Index or sth.

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:23
you can find them via google or hot-linking :stuck_out_tongue:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 11:23
8974388.jpg
I have some actual work to do right now, but I might find the time to put it in the GST in an hour or two
image.png
I think there was a link to these older rules. It's gone...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 11:24
they definately are not linked on the page anymore, only the new rules
and the new one has rules for chaos..
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 11:33
but if I remove the old one, someone will just complain :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 11:42
and where exactly is the problem with that? :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 11:53
"Gooood... their complaints sustain me..." ~Thairne, probably
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2018 12:08
Now I want someone to draw Thairne on Golden Throne and all the cables end with "Bug closed: By Design"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 12:52
this is amusing to me.
Especially since I'm also a dev IRL and tend to block ridiculous requests that way :P
alrighty, the work I'm paid to do is done, so I can invest the rest of the time im getting paid into putting that termite thingy into the gst
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 15 2018 12:58
Still waiting for Saggitar and Ulator rules :(
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 13:11
How did we decide to handle alternate keywords depending on which faction chooses the model?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 15 2018 13:12
Isn't it best to leave to be set on EntryLinks?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 13:13
^^
I think (for now) you'll need to do a Transport profile for each, but you should be able to leave the Keywords to be set on the RSE.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 13:16
Alrighty, figured as much. Then I am nearly done, just some Q&A and I can push the GST.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 13:18
Come 2.02 you won't even need the profile, because we can set it on the SSE link :smile:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 15 2018 13:21
was gonna mention how 2.02 handles categories, but its currently buggy, so it'll probably change
but yeah, adding children to links :ok_hand:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 13:33
arghllll! I forgot to sync first...
ah well.
There you go. I did the thing.
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 15 2018 16:32
So are you keeping the hellforged one?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 15 2018 16:52
I think I can answer with a clear yesn't.
chaos undecided.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 16:55
Probably should
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 15 2018 17:12
Yes. Definitely keeping.
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 15 2018 18:10
Ok
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 15 2018 18:16
....damnit
Anyone got a warden and 2 helverins they’re willing to part with
watch master inspiration struck
tekton
@tekton
Jun 15 2018 21:13
@WindstormSCR well done
Gravis X Primaris Captain?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 21:17
as the base yes
tekton
@tekton
Jun 15 2018 21:17
that's my favorite Primaris model, so I approve even more ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 21:17
since that picture I raided my bitz box, and added a GK book for the Tome of the Ectoclades relic, a servo-skull, and when I originally built him I swapped the weird welding helmet for the beaky
tekton
@tekton
Jun 15 2018 21:18
my immediate take away: GK are actually good and useful for something!
So...updated picture time?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 21:18
also found a DA knights apothecary arm with a drill, so I snipped the bolter barrel, and put the drill on there, so now it's a clavis :D
since the clavis is basically a hyper-advanced dataspike anyway
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 22:51
So Chris -- the guy a played last night on the stream -- and a few of us are having a little argument
About Agents of Vect
He claims that it's not OP
I claim the only reason he thinks that way is because he plays DE
I don't think it should be removed, but I think it should be once per game
Or I think you should have to have a KotBH HQ alive to use it
Or...something. Anything other than a "NOPE" off switch
That you can just keep on usin'
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 22:53
it is decidedly op
anything that can just say "No" to big, army-defining stratagems is monstrously powerful
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 22:54
Yep
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 22:55
oh
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 22:55
He's got a bad bad case of Drewcarey Privilege
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 22:55
watchmaster after the extra bits and a primejob:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 15 2018 22:55
Nice, sir. Very nice.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 22:56
ask him to consider how meta-defining forewarned has been for craftworlds since release
or how defining Rotate Ion Shields is for knights
he has the only "No U" button in the entire game that means you just flatly can't do a thing
tekton
@tekton
Jun 15 2018 23:05
It is pretty OP, but the real NOPE is on a 6 iirc? Otherwise it's just "no, please try again later"?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 23:10
well, sometimes just the once is enough to swing an entire game
see: rotate ion shields, morale CP thing, a critical reroll
or being able to turn off things like endless cacophony or forewarned that ususally end up being once or the unit you would use it on is dead
I can't "forewarned again later"
I get one shot, and DE can just go "lol fuck you man"
tekton
@tekton
Jun 15 2018 23:15
for the record i do think it's actually broken as a mechanic, thus seems over powered- if only because the only thing that can counter it is Vect itself
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 23:16
if it was a universal strat I'd be less concerned
the fact that one army has it, on top of a whole host of excellent strats and unit choices, makes them top drawer competitive in ways nobody else can match
tekton
@tekton
Jun 15 2018 23:21
how does the argument go...just use other stratagems to try to bait out vect!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 23:22
except that doesn't work against any DE player with half a brain
most armies in the game only have 1 or two major strats that are worth interrupting
tekton
@tekton
Jun 15 2018 23:22
also: cp aren't unlimited
Then play GK, we have 0 major strats worth interrupting!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 15 2018 23:25
I play DW, I'm thankfully in the boat of "I have lots of low cost strats and multiple targets to use them on, my major ones are all pregame"
so at best he can stop me from BTFOing a raider that flies too close to a unit or two
tekton
@tekton
Jun 15 2018 23:29
it's a good point, DW seems like they're in a good place to avoid it
@CrusherJoe once per game seems pretty decent as a limit if it goes off, so on a 1 they can try again