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16th
Jun 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 01:24
Actually the whole D6 see what happens is some bullshit anyway
Every DE player I know figures ever instance of using Vect is 4 CP
3 for Vect, 1 to re-roll the D6
So just make it block the strat, no roll, no loss of CP on opponent
But that once is all you fucking get
So make it count, you pointy-eared fuck
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 01:30
Man every time some elf shit gets knocked down to where it needs to be and there's no horseshit just painfully OP for one damned flavor of elf or the other and I get to thinking, "There, that's about right. It's not underpowered, it's not grossly OP like it was. This I can live with and maybe stop hating Eldar with a blinding red rage," they have to get some other bag of shit that fucks it all up again.
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe sighs, takes a deep breath, and lets it go.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 01:31
anyway
So @WindstormSCR I spoke to my AdMech buddy -- who, BTW, has these things WIP:
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(he's very good)
He's planning on running 3 gallants as Taranis
Anyway
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 01:37

Actually he said this:

"I'm considering 3 yolo gallants and something like 10 ad mech chicken walkers because I hate people"

Anyway
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 16 2018 01:39
yay
so 2.02 when will it be out?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 01:40
He also said this
BTW I need to paint up a knight fist as an infinity guantlet
Keep that pimp hand strong
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 16 2018 01:41
lol
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Thats my knight so far
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 01:43
That's what's up! Looking good!
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 16 2018 01:43
I havent used it since 8th dropped though
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 01:44
<yoda_voice> You will be. </yoda_voice>
By themselves knights aren't going to dominate the top tables or anything...but with the right help...ooooooh, boy. They can get nasty.
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 16 2018 01:46
well if renagade knights dont drop in pts...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 01:46
Renegade knights aren't in the new knights codex unfortunately
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 16 2018 01:47
aye
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 01:47
However
There is -- as far as I, and a national gathering of other TOs can tell -- absolutely nothing to prevent you from using the new knights codex with chaos-ified knights.
They won't be quite as good (Knights + AdMech == goodness) but they won't be sucky, either.
They also won't have any chaos goodness like daemon saves, chaos marks, etc.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 01:55
don't they have imperium top-level keyword?
or do you mean standalone knights and no chaos
I mean, I guess you could use fallen.....
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 01:56
Battle-forged means all units in a detachment must match
Not the entire force.
Unless I'm delusional
(which, I'll admit, is possible)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 01:56
you are
matched play: choose armies header, BRB p214
"All of the units in a matched play army with the exception of unaligned must have at least one faction keyword in common, even though they may be different detachments
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 16 2018 01:58
Armies have to share a key word
Chaos, Imperium, Tau, Alderi
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:01
Damn it
I knew that was a flawed argument, I just couldn't nail down the rules LOL
Thank you
On the other hand LOL
I can fit a full Guard Brigade, a Custodes outrider, and a Gallant into 2000 points.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:06
bad idea.PNG
I'm pretty sure it's a really bad idea.
Thoughts? :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:10
@CrusherJoe make it a vulker crusader
you DO get to select a house in a SHAD, you just don't get the auto-character
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:10
Crusaders are too expensive
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:11
warden then
give it endless fury and adamantium knight
2 cp, and it becomes a massive threat
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:12
The only knight that fits is the Gallant
HMMMMMM
think think think
I'm working around what models I have and could get ready in a week :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:19
actually
thinking on it, Ion Bulwark is better than adamantium knight
since a lot of the top-table AT weapons are going to be str 8 (reaper launchers, dark lances, etc)
and that gives it a 3++ with RIS
just questor mechanicus keeps it active longer because of ability to shrug MW and ignore brackets
also saturation bombardment
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:22
Yes sir
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:28
@CrusherJoe do you have a warden?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:28
I have a Crusader and 3 other fully magnetized knights
So, yes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:28
I could suggest sacrelige: dump the full outrider and go custodes supcom, making up the difference with more guard artillery + warden
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:29
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So: Why not a single Crusader with Hawkshroud?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:35
mostly because in a SHAD you DON'T get the tradition
just the house keyword and house-restricted stratagems
and questor imp or mech restricted stuff
the key pages for spotting the difference: codex p90 governs <questor allegiance> and <household>
codex p 106 covers traditions
and as written, household traditions specifically calls out the Super-Heavy Detachment
not the SHAD
so you don't get the house benefit, meaning hawkshroud doesn't get the double wounds effect
vulker's benefits are nearly all in questor mechanicus, the vulker-specific trait, and strategem
the tradition is just a minor benefit you might use once in a while
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:43
@CrusherJoe I imagine that distinction will be lost on most people, you might want to make a notice of it so people don't DQ themselves by accidentally claiming traditions in SHADs
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:44
So Vulker in a SHAD won't get Firestorm protocols
But will get Sat Bombardment
Also
I would argue
That Sat Bomb with Fury makes each 6 count as 4 hits
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:49
2 from Sat Bomb, 2 from Fury
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:50
you're the TO, you make the call :P
it hasn't been FAQ'd
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:50
Well I'm going to a GT
LOL
The Strats for QMech aren't...super great?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:52
they're the only way to save against MW and to ignore brackets
aka damn powerful for SHAD use
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:53
True.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:53
and especially for GT use where you can expect it to soak fire for ITC secondaries
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:54
And as you mentioned Sat Bomb works for the Stormspear, too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:54
and give the people aiming for easy points a 3++ middle finger
sat bobmardment hits all weapons on the knight
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:54
...and it will be used every turn lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:54
stubbers, avenger, carapace, all of them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:55
No need to take the gauntlet, though
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:55
nope
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:55
Can't take the paragon and less attacks plus WS3 == NOPE
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:55
unless you want to throw a tank for some reason
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:55
What I really want to do is choke out characters LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:56
take the gauntlet then
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:56
Nah is -1 to hit
With only 4 attacks
Is there a way to get +1 to attacks?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:58
but yeah, avenger + stormspear is pretty good use
nope
just the gallant afaik
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:58
Sorry
+1 to hit in combat
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 02:59
@CrusherJoe also consider that as questor mech, AM techpriests can repair it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 02:59
....
Yeah...but I plan on running that Warden up close and personal
No techpriest will survive that environment
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 03:03
but yeah, my advice would be ditch the outrider, acquire basilisk/manticore
especially because it seems very light on anti-tank
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 03:04
hang on I'm almost done with the list LOL
more bad ideas.PNG
Thoughts?
Wait....forgot to switch out the glove for the reaper
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 03:10
how many free points with the switch?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 03:10
7
I really think I need to free up like 8 more points
Which I can do if I swap las squad for another mortar squad
Because I need a psyker
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 03:12
do it then
how much does that leave you free?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 03:15
Hang on, a couple of other changes
Even more bad ideas.PNG
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 03:18
still nets you 11 starting CP
even using 5 during listbuild
looks pretty solid
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 03:19
Or 10, if facing Chaos RoLC is a must have
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 03:19
what flavor of pask?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 03:19
BC/LC/PC
he's a monster, does exemplary work every game
Plus he's the deep strike response unit
Oh hello Magnus...say hello to THIS.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 03:20
tbh that's the only real worry for knights
is close-combat with a nasty punch
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 03:21
Yes Magnus will rape a knight if he goes first, as will Morty
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 16 2018 03:21
at least QM has ways of dealing with mortals, so magnus psychic isn't too bad
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 17:35
No Vect 3.png
My gift to everyone this morning
Take that image, share it, post it everywhere
Spam the GW FB page with it
SPREAD THE WORD, OUR MESSAGE MUST BE HEARD!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 16 2018 19:16
vect?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 19:17
yep
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 16 2018 19:24
que?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 16 2018 20:02
Fuck vect
And their agents
Is what joe is Getting at
Did you get vected joe?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 20:03
Every time I play DE
I try -- very hard -- to look at things from the overall health of the game
And -- in my opinion -- AoV, as is, is monstrously OP
I'm not saying ban it, I'm saying make it one use/game or cost 6 CP or maybe both
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 16 2018 20:07
huh. ive played against DE a handful of times and havent seen it used yet
but maybe thats because guard dont have any stratagems worth using it on
they do need to fix the wording so that only Black Heart can use it, though
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 20:10
Agreed, that too
Guard have plenty of strats to use it on
Overlapping Fields of Fire
Aerial Spotter
...are ones that come to mind
It sparked very little conversation there. Sad, that.
But here?
Wooo boy the elves have come out of the woodwork
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 16 2018 20:12
oh, i dont use basilisks or wyverns, so spotter has never been used. and im rarely cadian, unless im going waac-mode
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 20:13
I've been told someone from there re-posted to the FB DE group and "You have my people in a hissy fit!"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 21:16
Honestly it never ceases to amaze my how many people clutch their obviously broken/OP bullshit to their chests and cry "Mah cheese! Ah've gots ta have mah cheese!"
tekton
@tekton
Jun 16 2018 22:57
So, twin auto cannons on razorbacks are still pretty good...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 16 2018 23:02
you mean assault cannons?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 16 2018 23:02
...he must.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 16 2018 23:02
cause i know assault cannons have been very good in general this edition
tekton
@tekton
Jun 16 2018 23:12
Yes, yes I did
Also the auto cannon dreadnaught I was looking at while typing lol
I’ve also never seen someone miss so many shots with dark reapers...it’s been a weird day