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22nd
Jun 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 02:50
I got lucky
only a 10% discount on the only total warhammer DLC I'm missing
so nothing to super grab me
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 02:58
Nice
Still debating getting Martyr...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 02:58
its fun
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 03:47
Sadly time is at a super premium :(
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Jun 22 2018 07:47
i was bored quickly by martyr. maybe on sale. but missing total warhammer dlc is heresy, except for the blood thing
has somebody a clue where i can find detailed information on the IK house vulker color scheme?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2018 09:29
im also on the martyr-fence... I'd like to try it, but I don't know if it is it for me. And at that price I start to think twice, especially with GOOD indie games available... Sale it is for me too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2018 11:44
oi, my new wet palette arrived at home... I'm curious if the thing actually works... I might actually have to start up painting again :P
after about 1 year of waiting its about time..
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jun 22 2018 11:53
So my buddy bought me shadespire for my birthday
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2018 12:01
aaaaaaaaaaaand? That sounds like something should be following that up?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jun 22 2018 12:04
Haha, I can't wait to play it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2018 12:05
there you go, good boy :P
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jun 22 2018 12:08
Sadly all my hobby stuff is in storage
So putting them together will have to wait til this weekend
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2018 12:23
since it is already friday....
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jun 22 2018 12:24
Well I got it Wednesday so... Lol
But this weekend is also busy so not sure when I'll get down there
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:25
@Thairne Wet pallats are rather nice.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:26
I'm a terrible painter though, so I actually just paint with Air paint.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2018 12:26
"I dont have the time" is just lazy for saying "other things are more important"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2018 12:26
3 questor to unlock cp is gone
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:26
which seems to be about the same dillution as a wet pallet paint
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2018 12:26
yeah I have the army painter one, but I'm really not happy with it.. So i backed into that "everlasting wet palette" kickstarter
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2018 12:26
Means now I have more reason to get Armigers
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2018 12:27
did you need more reasons? :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:27
What? They actually put out renegade knight rules
for free1?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2018 12:27
Lol
Yup
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:27
I can get a cat made for them today
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2018 12:27
Also 3 questor gets you 6(!) cp
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:27
Do we have one?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2018 12:27
I think so? Maybe? Idk
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:28
Fair enough
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 12:28
@Kohato, there's already a cat and I'll update it tonight, or maybe this afternoon.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:28
Noice!
If GW puts out a renegade knight dominus box i'll flip my shit
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 22 2018 12:28
with that new wetpalette I might actually start on my backlog again and, god be willing, might allow myself 2 mini knights... so...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:29
that datasheet has swappable weapons
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2018 12:30
Yeah renegades have more versatility then imperial
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 12:30
yeah, its just the two from C:IK combined into one, isnt it?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:30
Yep
Which is the same in the end I think
Yea it is
Volcano lance is 10 points
In the renegade version
Lol that FAQ
That's the first one to Errata fluff.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2018 12:32
Ah so you can’t swap freely for a dominus, it’s 1 or the other loadout
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 12:32
lmao. people were pointing it out though
yeah, they have the same configs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:33
Yea, it's pointed out so that it matches the 2 IK choices
Just, 1 data sheet
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 12:33
i meant people were pointing out that the example lists were wrong
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:34
Yea
I love the +CP change
Nobody will use the forgeshrine so ... w/e on that change.
And the FAQs didn't do anything that a normal person wouldn't deduce.
all in all, good faq
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 12:35
mhmm. basically +3CP as long as you bring an actual knight
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:35
Yea, makes it back to the BRB super heavy and gives a bonus for 3 big knights
I like it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 12:37
so no renegade preceptor, and no mixing and matching dominus weapons
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:37
Right-o
Basically Renegade Valliant, Castellan, Helverin, and Armiger
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 12:38
slightly disappointing, but at least they got the update :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 12:40
Yea, that's surprising in itself
and for free no less
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 12:40
hey, it's more people who might buy a knight
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 12:41
well they couldnt really make a codex of it. and it seem like they didnt want to put it in the IK book
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Jun 22 2018 12:47
i always thought it was weired that all the knights have seperate entries, and its funny how they condensed them all into 1 entry
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 12:49
yeah, the renegade knight always did that so you could take any combo of weapons you wanted
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 13:00
What?! They actually gave FW Index a faq?
what sort of sorcery is this shit
Oh interesting
half of them still don't get some relics though
"Acastus and Cerastus Class"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 13:06
This FAQ has been out for ... what an hour or two?
Where's the issue requesting we do it now
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jun 22 2018 13:16
@Kohato you mean #3290?
amis92 @amis92 right after writing #3290
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 13:23
-.-
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 13:24
well my friend with two styrix knights now has a scary durable knight list
"What has a 4++ again?"
"everything"
though I'll still expect valiant, styrix, styrix, crusader (or warden) from him for knight lists
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 13:31
and he plays vulker, which makes the warden/crusader (the only thing without the 4++) scary to kill because always wounding on 4s
on the upside, I feel a lot better about grabbing a couple warglaives to go with my single knight now
+3 CP for serious anti-tank and CC power is a good grab for my DW
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 13:32
My AdMech army is officially turning in to a Knight army now...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 13:32
I'd still run the Techpriest dominus as a warlord for CP regen
also for the uncreator gauntlet
then just use CP on a single knight in a SHD and grab a couple warglaives or helverins
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 13:33
I wonder. Dominus, 2 Questoris, and then 3 Armigers in a separate SHD
12CP?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 13:33
that way you get +3 CP and household traditions, but it doesn't eat more than ~800 points if you go max upgraded crusader + melta wargliaves
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2018 13:33
@amis92 LMAO
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 13:35
No upgrades: 1918 points
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 13:35
@Kohato sounds about right, but why separate the armigers when they don't give CP? unless they're classed titanic
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 13:35
for 2 wardens, a castellan, and 3 warglaives.
12CP
Oh right, need 1 titanic for 3
Can't do it then :/
without going all gallants.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 13:36
you run imperialis or mech?
@Kohato
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 13:36
Mech
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 13:36
grab a battlaion of skitarii for 200pts
then enjoy knight of the cog
"my knight has cover bitch"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 13:36
yea, that's the normal list/plan
Just was seeing if I could abuse all knights for 12cp
I cannot
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 13:37
it does mean a triple questoris SHD does pull its CP weight now
which is great
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 13:37
Oh yea def.
Even Dominus/2Questoris does.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 13:37
even a small single questoris 2x armiger lance is a much better option than SHAD now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 13:38
So, 1994 points. 2 warglaives, 3 gallants, and 1 castellan.
Close Combat be-fuckingware.
Charge all of the things
1973 to swap to a valliant, which in this list ... is probably for the best.
"In the AM codex it says priests can take a autogun and chainsword but in BS it has a category "just take whatever, I give up" which has AdMin ranged and melee weapons"
I keep forgetting that's the name of the entry group
and chuckle each time someone finds it
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 22 2018 14:18
So did y'all see the news?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 22 2018 14:19
@Kohato yep....and it's gonna stay that way LOLOLOLOL
Every time someone brings it up it sends a tiny little chill in my cold black heart
AND, it lets me know that someone is delving into priests for the first time
Furthermore, it lets me know they're probably spelunking for some bullshit, otherwise you'd just take the standard loadout
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe sighs. "Ah, tryhards."
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 22 2018 14:25
So...that FAQ was largely useless other than the obvious CP benefits bonus
I have a hard time believing the House Raven question. Did I wake up in a world where people have lost reading comprehension abilities?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 14:31
What news tiger?
Also - That's fine with me Joe.
That + the FW errata was perfect.
It essentially read: Give more CP to IK lists.
Give more houses and relics to FW Knighits
Nerf the Forgeshrine that nobody uses anyway
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 14:37
the styrix I would argue is now the scariest knight questoris variant
native 4++, a seriously decent main gun, and what is basically a better DW frag cannon in its claw
2d6 autohits, poison (3+) and damage 3
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 14:40
Anyone poked around in BS 2.02?
Can you modify GST force names from cats now?
Then we could alter CP displays based on things that are taken :p
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 22 2018 14:48
Chaos players just got their own updates for knights
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 14:57
yup
Mad-Spy will have it done tonight probably
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 15:05
the trail of destruction strat they got is really nice
especially on double gat renegades
Hugh
@Tigerwraith
Jun 22 2018 15:11
Now I want a 2nd chaos knight, a Dominus, and 3 to 4 armiger's
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 15:13
I'm actually going warglaives with my DW
because DW have to pay a LOT for good CC squads, and warglaives fill the anti-tank niche that DW lacks some of the time, while having pretty mean CC stats
1 questoris (fully magged) and 2x warglaives as a lance
then DW battalion
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2018 15:18
I’m still trying to decide if I do want 2 Armigers to go with my custodes and knight
My current batch of reinforcements
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 15:30
fun times
pity the resin bikes and galatus have no rules yet
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 22 2018 15:35
Galatus will probably be underwhelming anyway
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 15:58
I feel like I'm doing something wrong (I am very tired) but I can't seem to get Cawl's Wrath on my Castellan (not in an Aux detachment)...i'll look at it again in a few minutes after this meeting
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 15:59
its mech only
if you are mech, make sure he's a character
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 16:00
it is
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 16:00
I think kohato has a bug where he has to be the warlord or you have to use the strat for the relics to appear
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 16:09
oh, it has to be a freeblade? maybe I need to read my codex better then, guess i missed that part
maybe it was just supposed to be an or check instead of and? ./shrug
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 16:18
Do you have a warlord?
Or do you have the strat?
Doesn’t have to be freeblade.
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 16:20
i'll get a screen shot in a minute, but without selecting freeblade Cawl's Wrath wouldn't show up- i freely admit to doing SOMETHING wrong since i haven't slept in 2 days now
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Jun 22 2018 16:20
i should have lists with cawl on the warlord and on char with strat and it works fine. maybe you have to choose the allience yet
im building my castellan atm and its a real pain in the ass. you can glue almost nothing before painting -.-
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 16:23
not_freeblade.png
freeblade.png
@Kohato again, I may be doing it wrong...but that was from what's in master; have another meeting to go to- and if it's just me then there's nothing to worry about ;)
((first picture is without being a freeblade, second is with))
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Jun 22 2018 16:29
i just did the exact same thing on android and it works
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 16:37
...i'm totally not working on things or trying to reproduce this in my meeting, nothing of the sort.
it's fine on my phone, but the desktop is the one where i'm still getting the weird freeblade thing- may be a battlescribe bug with 2.01.14 then
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 16:46
I’ll look when I get back.
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 16:50
@Kohato looks like it IS a bug with the Mac Desktop version of BattleScribe- so you're good
the joys of minions with windows computers near by
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 16:56
thank you for checking @H4lek1n :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 17:21
Huh, I wonder what the bug is for that ...
Hmm, there might actually be something I tweaked in v18 to cause it
Yea, I accidentally changed a "Force" to "Parent"
H3lek1n is using v16 i'm assuming.
good catch @tekton
tekton
@tekton
Jun 22 2018 17:28
@Kohato happy to help where i can :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 17:28
Now i'm trying to think when the hell I cahnged it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 17:34
v17 - damn, that would've been hidden too. Fixed :). It showed if you were a freeblade because freeblade's have different logic trees
Required since freeblades can be different allegiances in a force.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 18:03
Well this is .. unfortunate.
I can't repeat an incrementer based on the number of force types in a roster.
image.png
This increments based on the number of selections of things in super heavy deatchment forces in the roster
Is it logical to assume that since every Super Heavy Detachment must choose a house
"Household choice" should be in every super heavy detachment
therefor, incrementing max characters based on HouseHold Choice being present ... that makes sense right?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 18:13
Dammit, no that won't work ... you choose houses in Aux and Supreme Command too
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 18:32
If Ancestor is Instance of 'Aux' or Supreme Command do the repeat?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 18:42
Doesn't seem to flag the repeat only if x
just repeats.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 19:59
Ok
It's ugly as fuck
And it absolutely breaks if you take 2 Super-Heavies, both strats, and a supreme command
But it works in all other cases and is about as good as it can get until Jon fixes BS
Increment based on the required Household Choice, then decrement for every 2 selections of Super Heavy Aux or Supreme Command - which accounts for the Household choice and single allowed knight.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 20:01
you can't even take an IK supcom anyway for matched beta
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 20:01
True, but you can in non-matched :/
But that use case will be so few
I doubt it will be caught
and if Jon can fix it so I can increment based on count of Force type, it's moot.
image.png
That is the beauty of the Character entry in IK now :p
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 20:06
not as bad as some DE relics
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 20:06
Haha that's true
I've seen those
Before the FAQ today, a couple of the IK relics were ugly
now it's easy with them all getting the new categories :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 20:08
tbh some of the FW Cerastus/Acastus Knights will be scary enough just from the ability to get household traditions and WLTs
imagine a Poryphion with the house raven "reroll all 1s" strat
or a lancer with ion bulwark and the full tilt strat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 20:08
Yea, it's gonna be scary
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 22 2018 20:08
the lancer is the scariest imo
because that means 4++ in CC just from the WLT
and a really mean advance + charge
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2018 20:59
@WindstormSCR are you taking care of #3245 ??
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 22:00
@/all, can some give the Index-RenegadeKnights branch a once over? I added a "Questor Traitoris Super-heavy detachment" which has all the CP logic in it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 22 2018 22:01
Why ya gotta go do that :p now ik are gonna want it.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 22:02
It's not too onerous to implement, and it allows you to stop ppl from making Knights characters in non-IK detachments as well.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 22:08
why cant i select an armiger as the warlord?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2018 22:08
is it a character?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 22:08
yeah
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jun 22 2018 22:08
probably a bug then :smile:
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 22:12
@Mad-Spy How do I take a Chain-Cleaver on the Armiger?
Missed it.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 22:12
I didn't think it was that difficult to find... :smile:
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 22:13
Er ... it LOOKS like I should be able to take two cleavers according to the rules? Or am I misreading?
reading failure ftw
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 22:14
yeah, the new models dont get any customisation unfortunately
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 22:14
well for chaos ... that's pretty gimp
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 22:14
no, definitely either or
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 22:14
It would be substantially better if they could take Marks of Chaos (or the equivalent)
Your points are wrong?
The Armiger Autocacannons are 5 points each ... but the selector says "0"?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 22:15
says 10pts for me
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 22:15
thermal spear is 5
sigh I need more coffee.
Nope, it's free.
Still think we should be able to mix/match auto cannon and thermal spear
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 22:16
yeah, you really do need more :coffee:
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 22:17
It's been a long day. And I still need to stare at the AoS files.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 22:17
Iain, let my armiger by my warlord, please
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 22:17
Does being the general require being a character?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 22:17
yeah, you can make them characters
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 22:17
"Any model may replace both its Armiger autocannons with a thermal spear and a reaper chain-cleaver." That's either or.
@GenWilhelm, it can be your Warlord, but it can't get the Trait because only TITANIC can have it.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 22:18
Wait ... how do you know what your CP is?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 22:18
yeah, but they can take BRB traits still
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 22:19
Good point, well made.
try now
@OftKilted, if you're using the QT detachment, the name changes.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 22:21
missing the traits still :x
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 22:22
no, you're wrong, they always had the traits. Nothing to see here, move on
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 22:22
Oops
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 22:23
Did i do the Hide for the QT one correctly?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jun 22 2018 22:23
ye
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 22:24
Why is Infernal quest a checkbox not a radio button?
(It seems to give you an error if you select it and another warlord trait, but it is still a checkbox)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Jun 22 2018 22:27
because that's how BS displays single options?
until we get 2.02 and can insert items into picklists on the fly.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 22 2018 22:28
Reasonable.
Question ... if you manually add a .bsr file ... why don't they seem to show up in the 'Manage Data' view?
Is that showing up for anyone else on a manual .BSR file add?