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25th
Jun 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 00:21
@Kohato I finally got rid of my tzeentch for a kickass trade today
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 00:21
Weed?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 00:21
I now apparently play Gutbusters/Beastclaws
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 00:21
Beastclaw - awesome. Gutbusters ... are there really all that many?
I thought just that ogor thing in the orruk battleforce
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 00:22
because I had been contemplating them, and one guy was "well I'm looking for tzeentch, I have a bunch of ogors built unpainted on rounds"
tyrant, butcher, ogors, ironguts, leadbelchers, grots (gnoblars), grot scraplauncher, the cannon thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 00:22
Nice
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 00:22
mostly using them as beastclaws allies
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 00:23
Beastclaw frosttusk things are nasty
Mortal wound factories second only to nurgle
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 00:23
yeah, my plan is lord on stonehorn (very hard to kill), then two thundertusks
with one being a huskard the other a regular battleline
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 00:25
I like the hawk thing the lord can have
it's neat
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 00:26
the blood vulture?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 00:26
yea
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 00:38
I should have fixes out for the drukhari issues tonight
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:05
I have a few ideas for things you can "fix" while you're in the Drukhari LOL
Unfortunately none of them are actual changes from GW
So the heat press I ordered the gf for her birthday arrived today
We've both been hobbying like mad all day
And I had to build some new shelving/storage in the garage before I could set it up out there, so
It's just now getting ready to actually set it up
Anyway
She (of course) is all about making me gaming/geekery shirts
This is the design I came up with for my first one -- the lettering will be white, the bloody Xs will be...well, red
Destroy All Eldar small image.png
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 03:11
not even the right symbols
for shame
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:11
I'm thinking of something similar but with DESTROY THE IMPERIUM with some popular army icons/runes for some of my xenos/chaos buddies, maybe DESTORY THE FALSE EMPEROR, that sort of thing. Not for sale or anything just something kinda different
wut
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 03:12
I can link you the ones for each generic "group" of eldar if you want
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:12
They're right according to the only source I could find and that many others linked to
Yes please
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 03:12
right now you've got Biel-tan, something drukhari, and a crimson hunter exarch lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:12
That's not Beil-Tann, The Dark Kin, and Harlequins?
I wanted to use Alaitoc
.....waaaaaaiiiiiiit
DAMMIT
I was so tired when I finished that last night I totally forgot the Ynarri one
mah source:
I didn't use the Alaitoc one because it's basically just a sword, and that doesn't really translate well into something substantial to X out (if that makes sense)
But yes please link me to the right ones
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:18
Yeah that's the same source as I linked (ultimately)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 03:19
you had the right source, just the wrong schoices
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:19
But that rune? Not sure how it would print -- they're only going to about 2" high
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 03:19
middle one is actually correct, just didn't recognize it with the X
similar to the one you have, but the difference is that that is the one the GW studio still uses freehanding on the models, and is what was in the limited edition transfer sheet
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:21
harlies.PNG
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 03:21
yeah, that one hasn't been used since 4th ed for whatever reason
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:21
So...which ones is correct? I totally get harlies having the Cegorach rune on all their stuff
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 03:21
it showed up once and then quietly vanished
since no one who actually cared used it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:22
So use the Cegorach one?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 03:22
yep
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:22
Okay
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 03:23
because of this:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:23
The Craftworld one though...probably not going to use it
It's too skinny and spindly
Yeah I considered putting the Slaanesh one with a red ! by it or a "like"/"thumbs up" icon
I also wanted a rune for Vect...but can't find one, and the Kabal of the Black Heart icon really doesn't translate to monocolor very well at all and still maintain any recognizability
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 03:58
Okay here we go
Destroy All Eldar all 4 runes - small size.png
tekton
@tekton
Jun 25 2018 05:20
@CrusherJoe as a Biel-Tan player I just like that someone is including the symbol
tekton
@tekton
Jun 25 2018 05:44
So, I think Wednesday is going to be a House Raven Warden fun times trial...
and now i want another regular size knight (I only have one right now...) to go with the two baby knights and the castellan
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 05:51
@tekton you're welcome :)
This Thursday I'll be doing final tests on the list I'm taking to Sidewinder
Which will be the debut of Sir Yolo von Muderball, aka, "Mister Fister"
I am also trying very hard to create a "candy" Purple
Next trial is Liquitex purple in mixed 30/70 with Future floor polish (aka, "The most off-label uses of an liquid in the hobby")
In case that fails miserably I ordered this:
Which looks sexy AF and I hope it gets here in time should the experiment fail miserably
tekton
@tekton
Jun 25 2018 06:14
the Tamiya Purple by itself is super, super glossy to where it's just this side of candy status
i think my next set of knights (it's going to be a while) are going to be chameleon paints...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 13:22
What makes a true candy paint is transparency over metallics -- it's not just the glossiness
It's also different from metalflake which isn't one one paint over a metallic base that shows the metallic layer underneath it, it has actual flakes of highly reflective material actually mixed into the paint medium
(or at least it looks like it does, anyway)
tekton
@tekton
Jun 25 2018 13:39

@CrusherJoe thinned down a bit it actually is semi transparent over metallics; I ended up not liking it as much and instead just made it opaque purple. Sadly they don't make an actual Clear Purple yet :( the clear blue, red, and green from tamiya are kind of my standards for the candy coat effect at this point

the "metalflake" or "Metal Medium" is way harder to use than it seems :P didn't stop me from doing it for my grand master nemesis dreadknights though...

Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 13:40
Right on!!
Yeah this is my first attempt at it. I tried to mix Tamiya clear red and clear blue to make purple and discovered that Tamiya clear paints really don't mix well, which is a damned shame, because that would have been easiest lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 25 2018 13:43
what about the gemstones paint from GW? Wouldnt those classify as candy with the transparency over metallics?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 13:47
Probably, but they have some other component to them that's similar to their washes as well
Because gravity will pull the paint certain ways to make it thicker at the bottom so it naturally "shades" the metallic so it looks more..eh...gem-esque
I love the gem paints but I wouldn't do a model with it the way I want to do candy purple
But the more I think about it, you are definitely correct
tekton
@tekton
Jun 25 2018 13:51
they settle a bit weird due to being so thin, and they don't build quite as well as you'd want over a large area (I may have tried this on a dreadnought...). But for small areas with a decent "wall" around a recess (like, a lens or a Grey Knight maybe...or the eyes of IK) it works amazingly well
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jun 25 2018 13:53
so if you could somehow "dethin" them...
a wild duncan howls in the distance
So that's what candy paints are. Understood, sir!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 14:01
LOL
Yes
They have the transparency and the glossiness but the viscosity is all wanky because of how the paint is supposed to level
tekton
@tekton
Jun 25 2018 14:09
"So, what we're going for, is two thick coats..." Duncan clutches his heart not knowing why
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 15:20
for anyone that likes speedruns, and charity, SGDQ is going on now :) www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick
Also - woo, more FW knights I'll never afford! Lol
Eventually I'll just get the weapon sprues for all of them and magnetize them for my normal knight chasis
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 15:36
.....that's a volkite armiger
I can hear my friend's wallet crying in pain from a zipcode away
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 15:39
The one they're previewing?
It looks like an armiger with a Knight Magera claw
But, your friend's wallet will have mental prep time - they're still in concept stage ... so I wouldn't expect them out before xmas
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 15:51
look at the gun and compare it to the back end of the styrix barrel
those are pretty clearly how FW does volkite vanes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 15:52
I want to like either the Styrix or the Maegera
And reading their descriptions, you would think I would -- at least the written ones, anyway
Then you read the stats
And this overwhelming feeling of MEH hits you
And interest just drains away
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 15:55
the styrix is good
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 15:55
Like I feel like they were both made to prove FW can make woefully underpowered units
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 15:55
the styrix isn't
trust me on that
the flat number of hits on the str 8 gun with possible additionals makes it stronger than it first appears
and the graviton crusher isn't a slouch either
also it has durability most knights don't, built-in 4++ and still keeps an invuln in CC
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 15:56
Maybe I'm reading the wrong version of the Index
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 15:56
plus the irad claw does work
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 15:57
Heavy 5 and BS 3+ don't exactly blow my skirt up
Especially for a shorter-ranged battle cannon with better AP and wildly variable damage
Make any of those numbers better and you'd have a contender
Heavy 10, for example
But since the 6s explode on the Wound roll....eeeesssshhh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 15:59
Heavy 10 and you'd never want to even consider something like an avenger ...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 16:00
that's the thing, its heavy 5, but averages heavy 6 to 7
and the durability is not something to sneeze at, since it's a knight you can get a 3++ on with RIS (4++ in CC) without having to expend a warlord trait to do it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 16:01
Also House Raven ...
Advancing and firing a 45" heavy 5
with no penalty
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 16:01
Eh...more like Heavy 4, if you're lucky
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 16:01
Nothing will be out of reach
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 16:02
meaning you can use tricks like blessed of the sacristans to add even more mortals
@CrusherJoe meant total shots fired
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 16:02
Perma ignores cover too
And some forgettable healing.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 16:04
...and the siege claw is a poor man's gauntlet
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 16:04
I mean ... a poor man's gauntlet that includes a pretty good flamer.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 16:05
the siege claw has a 2d6 3 flat damage 3+ poison flamer
it erases lots of shit
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 16:05
I'm not saying it's useless
I'm just saying it's nothing special or exciting
It's meh, and an expensive points-sink meh at that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 16:06
I mean, it's the cheapest of the FW knights ...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 16:08
With the claw it's 500 points of pure meh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 16:08
you haven't played one or faced one
oops
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 16:08
Whoah there.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 16:08
caps not intended
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 16:08
Now compare it to the 555 points of rock 'n' roll hoochie coo that is the Atrapos
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 16:08
Don't crush joe's spirit.
badum tish
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 16:09
I'm not saying it's awful lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 16:09
I'll raise you that the atrapos will be focused and dead, while the styrix will still be making people hurt
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 16:09
I'm always surprised when I look at the Acastus and keep wondering why that just wasn't in the Titan legions.
It's so expensive. T9, 30 wounds.
Decent stepping stone to a Scout Titan ... 850 points > 1500 points > ... more, I don't know how much things above scouts cost.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 16:11
Being focused and dead is the fate of most knights LOL
I guess the Styrix just isn't my flavor
And dammit I just realized I was originally right -- it's Atropos
I read Atrapos somewhere (that was wrong) and thought, "Fuck, I was wrong," and then started using the wrong spelling
Yep. I'm a genius, me.
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe rolls his eyes and shakes his head at himself.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 16:17
Tell ya what @WindstormSCR I'm willing to proxy playtest a Styrix. I'm more than willing to admit when I'm wrong, and you're right I have no personal experience to support my stance. Empirical evidence must be gathered.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 16:18
the thing I'd urge you to consider with the two FW questoris knights is the fact they have a better invuln and wound regen, which can count for a lot in combination
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 16:18
Indeed, being able to have a 3++ with no loss of WLT is very good
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 16:18
especially since you can combine it with more offensive warlord traits without losing durability, and use relics like mark of the omnissiah to double-down on the regen
a MotO adamantium knight styrix might as well have a banner saying "don't even bother"
because 3++ wounding on 4s only with double regen
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 16:19
lol
In counter-point I can say that I've faced an Atropos
And it rolfstomped all over my knights (this was at the beginning of 8th)
Admittedly, that was because he rolled a 6 on the singularity cannon
Hit all 4 shots, and I accommodated him by promptly failing all my invuls
One dead knight from one round of shooting from one weapon. Yep.
...so my opinion of the Atropos may be slightly overblown. :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jun 25 2018 19:39
https://i.imgur.com/6ze8kPSl.jpg mmmm that candy red. Found that on reddit
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 23:38
Speaking of candy red
If you recall I was searching and experiementing for a way to do a purple candy
Here's the result of my first real test spray
purple candy spoon.jpg
Not too bad for Purple ink and Future floor polish LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 25 2018 23:48
looking pretty decent
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Jun 25 2018 23:50
36282585_10216825577861977_3393523518212669440_n.jpg
It is very reflective LOL
tekton
@tekton
Jun 25 2018 23:57
Awesome!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jun 25 2018 23:57
K - anyone who wants... discount forgeworld like product let me know in pm