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7th
Jul 2018
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 07 2018 01:09
@alphalas When would one NOT make that selection?
(I’d assume spell choices ... or units with extremely complex multiple-choice options)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 07 2018 01:11
@OftKilted the guidelines for 40k state we try and match defaults to the datasheet default wargear, so that units are "valid selections" as soon as they're added
since AoS doesn't mandate a default, I would suggest going with the most common option or whatever's on the box art
like ex: chaintrap for stonehorn beastriders or a choppa for savage orruks
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 07 2018 01:12
Or goreaxe and fist for Bloodwarriors
And for “complex units” that each model has different wargear?
That becomes a “they get to choose”?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 07 2018 01:15
can look at DW for example, add 5 models with default weapons, then allow the user to adjust
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 07 2018 01:17
Deathwatch? Which units?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 07 2018 01:17
standard veterans
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 07 2018 01:17
Ufff that’s a really long list of models.
That wouldn’t likely work well for a unit that can have 40 in it.
And that’s just a 5 man squad
(Thinking Kairic Acolytes or Tzaangor ...)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 07 2018 01:21
then I'd just set weapon limits on the unit
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 07 2018 01:22
Hmm... the Tzaangor implementation isn’t a bad option.
@WindstormSCR @alphalas Thanks for the feedback :+1:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 07 2018 01:35
just make sure they're not set collective
or you'll have problems like Liberators and sequitors have right now
where all units must be identical
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 07 2018 01:49
Oft
There should always be a default if it is possible to take one.
That default should match as close to the default wargear as possible
Collective plus entry groups doesn't play well atm.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 07 2018 01:51
@Kohato AoS doesn't do defaults because no granular wargear
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 07 2018 01:51
I think 2.01 was gonna fix that
Ah right, that's true
In that case, I suppose default to whatever most players choose I'd guess
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 07 2018 02:09
Yeah .... For the most part it's pretty easy. Its only complicated when you get units like the Kairic Acolytes. They have 4 different weapon options, one of which is 3 per 10 models. (but the 'unit champion' can technically take one)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 07 2018 02:12
Give each model in the unit an option: Unit Champion
Max 1 per "Unit Name"
Then have a simple incrementor for each of the 4 options
A'la tau stealth suits
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 07 2018 02:16
@Kohato Er ... which tau unit?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 07 2018 02:16
Stealth Suits.
XV ... something
Fast Attack option I believe
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 07 2018 02:25
XV25
elite
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 07 2018 02:45
So ... which one is the 'unit champion' in that insanity?
the shas'vre?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 07 2018 02:51
yes
tekton
@tekton
Jul 07 2018 14:48
It’s 7am and already 85° F...this is going to be a fun day
tekton
@tekton
Jul 07 2018 15:20
meh, either way, it's hot enough to melt some peoples minis if they leave them in cars this week :(
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 07 2018 18:37
I saw the photo of that poor Hemlock / Crimson Hunter too... Liked pretty melted to me...! (and I agree totally with @amis92 about Celsius >> Fahrenheit - degrees F is nonsense)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 07 2018 20:24
also, in unrelated news - @Thairne - just finished reading Fallen Angels... very interesting background on the Dark Angels for certain... which book is the "calamitous events of the warp breach that destroyed most of Caliban" in??
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 07 2018 20:39
Hasn’t happened yet in the heresy series
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 07 2018 20:44
righto, I#ll carry on catching up with the whole story in general then
:smile: :+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 07 2018 21:30
Yasssss
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 07 2018 21:30
good work
:+1:
Now I just need to try to get a glaive turret and maybe the falchion bits
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jul 07 2018 21:36
Wow, they are some big models
tekton
@tekton
Jul 07 2018 22:51
well done @alphalas !
tekton
@tekton
Jul 07 2018 23:07
Helvern are two points less than GK Venerable Dreads with dual twin autocannons... ./blink
so if i want my "walking machine of ranged death" its actually better to take 3 helverin in a super heavy detachment than to have a vanguard detachment...
brb, going to the store to get helverin to start on
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 07 2018 23:19
at least the vanguard nets you 1 CP to the 0 from helverins
armiger lance = 0, 2 armiger and a questoris =3, three questoris class or larger = 6
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 07 2018 23:42
Mmm, shadowsword.
What's the one on the right?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jul 07 2018 23:45
Fellblade
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jul 07 2018 23:45
Nice, looking good