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15th
Aug 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2018 03:17
Honestly there's only one "new" unit/model I want: Leman Russ
Other than that they need to drastically reduce the points on pretty much everything in the Wolf dex and FIX THUNDERWOLVES so they don't suck anymore
That's really all I'd like. :)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2018 05:05
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tekton
@tekton
Aug 15 2018 06:22
I mean, it’s not wrong...
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 15 2018 08:19
https://fieldoffiregaming.com/best-armies-of-bao-2018/
Best armies of BAO .. wonder how it conmpares to ETC
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 15 2018 11:15
Wow! Dangles on top...!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2018 11:21
top on points, but they didn't actually win...
winner was DG/Renegade Knights
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 11:30
still surprising to see loyalist marines do that well though
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 15 2018 11:31
Guilliman gunline is still not horrible
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 11:33
steadily getting outclassed though. the big boys to beat right now are knights and DE, who can out-shoot them while also taking board control
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 15 2018 11:34
yeah, knights ... knights everywhere
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter looks at Joe menacingly
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter prepares the heavy Gauss
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 15 2018 11:56
I’m a bit sad titanius is smaller than regular ik
That would’ve been a neat preceptor stand in to have.
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe clicks over to The Disappointment Channel
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 15 2018 13:43
Dude hunters unleashed is pretty sick
Especially since you can’t vect that away
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2018 13:43
So....neat? I guess? We'll see about Murderfang. I used to roll into 10 squads with him and solo them. His current incarnation is...limp...to say the least
SW need 2 things to be effective in this Age of the Gunline OMG Why Does Everything Shoot So Much 40k
  1. MORE ATTACKS 2. Better attacks
Hunters Unleashed sorta addresses 2.
Provided you can get some re-roll action in there it's very good
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2018 13:45
I don't doubt that there will be a re-roll strat somewhere.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 15 2018 13:48
Wulfen dreads double attacks to 8 S6 1D with a scythe swing
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2018 13:49
and I think we can relatively safely assume it gets the Wulfen auras
Not sure how they can translate Death Frenzy, unless it triggers on WULFEN for it?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 15 2018 13:51
I like that they c.b.a. to paint up the vehicles ... "Here's som Ultramarines stuff but it can be painted in other colours!" lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2018 13:51
and it'll probably get advance and charge like the normal ones.
@sk_Father_Price_twitter, yeah, it's pretty lame.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 15 2018 13:53
Come back Friday when we make another half assed attempt to get @CrusherJoe excited about something
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2018 13:54
If you want to get me excited
SHOW ME RUSS
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2018 13:54
and no actual wolfy cataphractii or tartaros, so we can probably assume there's no kit for those
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2018 13:54
Otherwise...meh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 15 2018 13:54
There are wolfy cata
They’re just... not good
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2018 13:55
Hunters Unleashed is situational. As with all things melee-orientated, you have to get there for it to make any difference
And
Let's face it
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2018 13:56
@alphalas, as in there's a Wolf conversion kit for them?
like there is for standard termies.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2018 13:56
Spess Muhreens aren't exactly burning up the tabletops with their close combat acumen OR survivability
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 13:57
Hunters Unleashed is a worse version of Red Thirst, but with a bonus for Characters. So it fits SW perfectly.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2018 13:57
Now....give GH A3 and let 'em take CCW...that would be exciting
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 15 2018 13:57
@Mad-Spy no FW Varagyr terminators
Aka slugfur
Oh yeah and bolter iron sights on the bottom
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 15 2018 14:24
did you see this though: ""throw a lightning claw-armed Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader into all your squads.""
have fun implementing that neatly in BS
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 14:25
it already is :stuck_out_tongue:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 15 2018 14:25
it say "all your squads" - I wonder if that means WGTPL's in Primaris squads
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 14:26
oh, hmmm... nah, that'd clearly be heresy
guilliman's book says no
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 15 2018 14:27
hehehe
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 15:30
Question. What's the wolfname for the SW version Slamguinius?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 15 2018 15:32
Sven Hammerhelm
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2018 15:35
Space marines need a lot of help in general
The problem is that there are too many SM codexes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 15:35
or too few? taps forehead
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 15 2018 15:36
I disagree
I think it’s more GW just doesn’t realize what power level space Marines really should have in comparison to everything else
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2018 15:36
So if you are going to buff statlines or something then even at GW's breakneck pace it will be nearly a year before everyone is updated
3+ is not an elite save anymore
It's standard
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 15 2018 15:36
I mean power level in the abstract aspect not actual PL
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 15 2018 15:37
@alphalas, sure they do. Really high when the edition is new, and then crappy once it's been out for a while.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2018 15:37
Which means they are really just crappy
And only good by virtue of having a dex that has stuff others don't like strategemz
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 15 2018 15:38
@Mad-Spy ^what he said
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 15:38
its mostly that theyre overcosted for what you actually get. they dont have the damage nor the staying power to justify their price tag
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 15 2018 15:38
Beginning to end doesn’t matter - and even at start of 8e they were mediocre
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2018 15:38
I think they need +1 wound across the board
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 15:39
i.e. give intercessors heavy and special weapons and give hellblasters more variety
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2018 15:40
We need our tanks not to suck too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 15:40
oh yeah, chapter tactics on vehicles is a given
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2018 15:40
We have to use a strategem and 3 predators to get something good
Which other armies get for free
Vindys too
Big blast weapons suck ass noe
Now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 15:42
that's more of a demolisher problem than a blast weapon problem. battle cannons and other guard artillery are great
just not demolishers
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Aug 15 2018 15:49
What's the difference? I don't have my dex handy
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 15 2018 15:51
demolishers are short range, low number of attacks (or a moderate number against groups of models), high damage
other artillery is long range, moderate to high number of attacks, moderate damage
its just more versatile, more reliable, and generally cheaper
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2018 15:59
The proper name for the SW version of Slamguinius is clearly Frostfucker
To go along with Smashfucker and Shieldfucker
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 15 2018 22:25
Gdi ... #3279
John put in functionality specifically for me to make IK characters easy to validate, and I missed what he actually changed/added.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 15 2018 22:25
Wut
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 15 2018 22:26
He added conditonals to count # of forces in roster.
I foolishly thought he just added that into the existing "Selections" in "X"
He made it "Forces" in "X" as a selector
Which is how it should be, i'm just blind.
Use Case is max "Character" entries in roster for IKs, which increases by 1 per Super HEavy detachment