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28th
Aug 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 05:41
So..no feedback on the Wolves?
I'll add relic validation at some point...but I feel like we should get the wolves out now if no one objects
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 05:54
Okay I've merged Pure-Wolf-Disappointment in to Master
And I've drafted a release
But since I've never published a release before I thought I'd wait for someone to approve/disapprove before I do something we all regret
Not that I don't regret the Wolves codex -- it's pretty much made of regret, poor choices and bad decisions
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 07:17
No one cares, they're all off playing kill team...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 07:24
yeah, looks OK to me, I've added the changelog link and released
you'll get enough feedback from players howling, you don't need more from us :smile:
PharaohMaster
@PharaohMaster
Aug 28 2018 07:54
My Battle
my BattleScribe can't seem to update to newest version. It's still on .59 revision.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 07:57
We only just released .60, so it'll take up to 24 hours to get to Appspot.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 08:12
:+1:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 09:17
@CrusherJoe you forgot to add v prefix, and so the Changelong link doesn't work :) https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/releases/tag/1.1.60
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 09:17
bother
that's kinda my fault too... it looked OK but I did miss that
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 09:18
We still have a few hours before AppSpot picks it up, so if we want any more fixes to push, that's the moment ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 09:19
will the missing v cause any other drama??
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 09:19
nope
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 09:22
phew
tha's OK then :smile:
I've updated the link so it works properly now :+1:
PharaohMaster
@PharaohMaster
Aug 28 2018 09:43
I don't see Wulfen Dreadnought in Battlescribe?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 09:44
@PharaohMaster, have you downloaded the 1.1.60 files and manually installed them then?
PharaohMaster
@PharaohMaster
Aug 28 2018 09:44
Yes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 09:45
it hasnt been linked in root
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 09:45
oops
Looks like Contemptor and Great Company Champ don't have primary categories either.
PharaohMaster
@PharaohMaster
Aug 28 2018 09:48
Yes, those 2 units are under Uncate
gorized section.
Offtopic: Gitter works awful on mobile devices.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 09:50
yeah, it's a pain :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 09:51
the SW release is not called the disappointment train for nothing
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 09:54
We still have ~2hrs for little fixes like these.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 09:55
I also need to make a small change to SW to make it work with FWAA
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 09:56
Do you have time to do it now?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 09:56
yeah, should only take two seconds
it's just a find and replace
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 09:57
You ok to fix the Wulfen Dread and the two uncategorised units?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 10:01
should be, yeah. there's also other issues i can see
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 10:06
oh dear, how about a nice bug report for @CrusherJoe to wake up to :smile:
:laughing:
(he did ask for our feedback before he released it... )
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 10:09
ah. i was waiting for a response re:relic validation :x
Right, those fixes are done. the rest can wait for Joe
if someone would be so kind as to re-draft the release
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 10:48
@CrusherJoe I think we just crashed
ah, no it was you @GenWilhelm I was trying to get it to update, you must have been working on it at the same time
well, either way, we'll see what happens in a couple of hours once Appspot as digested its latest meal
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 10:53
inb4 it 405s for 24hrs
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 10:55
It should run around 14:00 14:45 UTC
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 10:55
:+1:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 10:55
ah, we've got plenty of time them :smile:
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 28 2018 12:14
oooh wow ... someone stamped down on all the megas hard .. there been a serious blamming lately ?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 12:16
I've had success with this very rich collection: https://vk.com/wall-55168313?own=1 :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 28 2018 12:18
The mega I have a link to is still up; but I don’t think anyone’s updated it recently
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 12:19
this one is still working and has Wolves https://mega.nz/#F!q84BWKiL!CN6kasdx1Pyshfga_UzuEQ!zwYTCAbb
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 28 2018 12:20
oooh new ... yoink
thanks @alphalas ... I can now join in the salty conversations ... not hat there are many of those .,.. nuh-uh .. nope, no-siree
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:37
I'm glad you saw the light and used the proper release name Will.
:p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:39
i literally just copied the name that Joe gave it :stuck_out_tongue:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:40
Oh, then what am I commending you for.
GJ Joe!
Also, GJ with ctrlC-ctrlV I guess?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:40
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:40
:D
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:40
that copy and paste fairy is a wicked mistress
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:41
Sadly, you speak truth when we're talking about BS :/
It's like copying hundreds of XML lines and pasting them elsewhere and having them keep their proper structure is difficult or something
who knew
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:42
carabossewickedfairy.jpg
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:42
nah, it's easy peasy. not like i spent all weekend doing that for FWAA or anything :sweat_smile:
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 12:42
And who's that pretty lady?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:42
see, she's got you already
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 12:43
@GenWilhelm , roll on 2.02!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:43
that the fortunately safe for work result of typing "wicked fairy" into google
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:43
Did you feel lucky?
Cause that's a dangerous game at work.
pending your search settings.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:43
I pressed enter and then crossed my fingers
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:43
@Mad-Spy lol, yeah. i got fed up waiting. it'll all have to come out and be re-done when we get to 2.02
but fingers-crossed it won't break any rosters (at least not too badly :x)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:45
@amis92 Carabosse is apparently her name
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:45
that said, 2.02 will break everything, so it probably doesn't matter :smiley:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:45
Hey, breaking rosters just means people have to actually be attentive
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:46
beautiful and powerful and inherently evil, she delights in tripping up the unwary
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 12:46
With 2.02 it's all a no-stress situation, since we can move things to libraries when we feel like it. No need to make all the enhancements at once, like with 1.15->2./2.01
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:46
and re-make things every now and then
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:46
got to keep people on their toes
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 12:46
we might be able to get away with copying the UIDs as well if we're super-careful.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:46
Or just ignore it entirely Amis ... like Necrons :p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:47
yeah, but when you open a 6/mo list and you're sitting at 1800/2000 with a dozen validation errors, it's a little annoying :stuck_out_tongue:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:47
@Mad-Spy I refer you to the picture above :wink:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:47
I don't think I could leverage libraries for IK either.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 12:47
And grow to be old, soulless machines. Yeah, like that's a great perspective.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:47
the soulless machines are coming
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 12:47
At least in FWAA and FWHA we can pretty much straight switch them to libraries and then put RSEs in all the relevant catalogues.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 12:47
so we might as well just roll over and let them trample us into the dust anyway
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 12:48
It's doing things like the SM and CSM shared libraries that is going to be a pain.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 12:48
The best part - they're not coming from space, we're making them ourselves...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:48
I forget, where there any other big .02 features coming?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 12:48
Book field
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:48
Jon added force count in roster for me in current version
Book field?
Don't we have that?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:48
adding children to links (other than modifiers)
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 12:48
yeah, dropdown instead of free field for book selection
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:48
Ohhh dropdown - that'll be nice
and yea will I forgot about that.
Modifiers on force names with conditionals
That's what i'm hoping he has in
so I can properly notate CP in IK lists.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 12:49
I thought you could already do that? I have it in the Questor Traitorous specific detachment
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:49
you can do that already, you just cant modify something that isnt local
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:49
That's what I mean
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 12:49
ah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:50
I didn't want to split into a new detachment
that just causes confusion
but I think Jon mentioned allowing modifiers on non-local
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:50
solution: move the SHD to the catalogue level (yay for duplication)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:50
which will let me do what I want and keep things neat.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 12:50
I think that might be in?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:50
Yea, that's what I wanted to avoid. Since it will just cause confusion like it did with QT for a bit.
I think so too - I just haven't hat a chance to poke around .02
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 12:54
Seriously I forgot the link the Wulfen dread to root? and two others?
Frankly I'm shocked it's not more
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:54
I mean, who really needs Wulfen Dreads.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 12:55
Also, what's FWAA?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:55
They're just big robot puppies.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:55
the two others were linked but without primary categories
FWAA = Forge World Adeptus Astartes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 12:55
They're overpriced and don't provide auras
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:55
You know, the cause of SM Catalog issues in every edition of BS known to man :p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:56
it works, it just needs some level of standardisation in the SM catalogues (which i know is a big ask)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 12:56
Oh my yes indeedy
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 12:57
mostly around relics, which is why i was asking about that the other night
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 12:58
Well I'm with you on the need for standardization
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:58
Ohh that was another thing in .02 I think
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 12:59
And I'm going to have to look at how relic validation is done, because it's a big deal to some people
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 12:59
I think 02 was gonna let us hide profiles of things that relics replace.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 12:59
OH BY THE WAY
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 13:00
Relic Validation is done with a buttload of If conditionals in most cases.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 13:00
An end user asked me to report that Dark Angels doesn't have relic validation
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 13:00
Feel free to look at IK ... but the validation on that is a bit convoluted.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 13:00
I thank twitter and his feed: https://twitter.com/jonskichov since otherwise I'd have thought several times something happened to him. It's almost 2 months since his last activity on GitHub...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 13:00
That sounds like a lot of really tedious work
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 13:00
But, it's worth it in the end IMO
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 13:00
Agreed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 13:01
Crons and Knights don't allow incorrect relics to be taken, and throw errors if too many are taken.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 13:01
Should I raise an issue about the lack of relic validation in DA?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 13:02
you basically just need to check if they have the correct warlord, or if they have used the appropriate stratagem
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 13:02
Might as well
Assign it to Thairne (I think?)
Or correct gear requirements Will.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 13:02
Yeah, the Dirk Angels
oh, i did that the other way around on nids. but they are very particular about who can take what
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 13:03
@Thairne, ye ol' chap! You're summoned!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 28 2018 13:04
Yea, same with IK
All based on what weapons you have, what house you are, and/or alliegiance, and/or knight type.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 13:05
nids is mostly based on weapons, but only a couple of models can take each specific weapon
siegmund
@siegmund
Aug 28 2018 13:21
is it correct that a pack leader in terminator armor for the long fangs now has a power level of 6?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 13:24
nope. WGPL should be 2 PL, and WGTPL should be 3
siegmund
@siegmund
Aug 28 2018 13:28
later i will test more .should i create issues in gitHub or report here?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 13:29
Raise on GitHub, please
@CrusherJoe will be happy to see he's popular once again :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 13:32
:wolf: hoooowowooooooooolllll!!
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 13:38
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 13:39
get the ear plugs in now
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 15:22
It's being popular for all the wrong reasons
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 15:24
For a second I was thinking about responding "Yeah, cheesing out WAAC lists is the wrong reason" but then I thought: Oh, wait. Too mean.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 15:24
Trust me there will be no cheesing anything out with the new Wolves dex
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 28 2018 15:25
I'd be chuffed for SW players if they can gain some middle table mediocrity ...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 15:25
It's basically the Index, with SM units rolled into it and given different names for the Primaris stuff
That's where Wolves have been since 8th dropped
mid-table obscurity
It sucks.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 28 2018 15:26
well ... mid to high mid then, I can't imagine the rest of the game players if they just plopped out a super massive lump of gouda onto the SW players
and a third/fourth faction to somehow spanner into the soup
already seeing guard, bangles, wolves and knights in prospective lists
feels weird
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 15:29
I'd like to know how they're getting all that in matched play
Considering the 3 detachment limit and requirement for battle-forged
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 28 2018 15:29
not everyone plays 3 detach tourney limits ... local meta can also be competitive
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 15:30
yeah, so see high-level play they'd either have to replace BA or redefine the meta
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 15:30
That's GW's rules for matched play at 2k points
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 15:30
Suggested rules :smile:
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 28 2018 15:30
more "guidelines" than rules ... nothing in my book says limits
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe shrugs
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 15:32
However you wanna play is fine by me so long as you're playing. :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 28 2018 15:40
What do?
Our SOP (and arguably the “correct answer”) is to support both, as we are
But dude won’t stop
@amis92 thoughts?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 15:45
If FW says the ones up are the current and correct rules what's the problem?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 28 2018 15:46
@CrusherJoe the old sheet had a different name; it was just an assault drill, new is terrax pattern
And the two sheets are dramatically different
That is why we’re supporting both sheets
ALSO
Remember
Rule number like 5 of BSData: WE DO NOT TAKE EMAILS OR SOCIAL MEDIA ANSWERS AS GOSPEL UNLESS IN A PUBLISHED FAQ.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 15:50
Okay, sure
Still feels like you're being arbitrary for no good reason, but whatevs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 28 2018 15:53
Well that’s why I’m asking @amis92’s opinion on how to handle
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 16:01
Hm. On the "obviously deprecated by newer rules" I agree with @alphalas - there's no valid argument, and email doesn't help. Yet, we support officially published, well, publications - but since it's no longer available, it can be freely removed as deprecated. It's not specified anywhere I think, but commonly understood that we only support "current" rulese with all updates provided. No-longer available datasheets don't fall into "current" category. It's maintainer's call, IMO.
With FW the situation is worse in terms that they don't have a good rules support (none at all after initial publication - 2 erratas per decade don't count).
However I think that at least the no-longer-available one should be marked somehow.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 28 2018 16:06
Who awakes me from my slumber?
Dreadnought Dreams.jpg
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 28 2018 16:06
I think, with the incoming Publications (Book field replacement) we'll be able to filter what entries are available, and possibly only show Codex by default, while allowing a selection of used publications and therefore clearly indicate which publications are used for given army list.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 28 2018 16:07
relic validation eh? I thought I had it.. but I might confuse it with AdMech...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 28 2018 16:08
Ah TSOALR, how you are missed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 28 2018 16:09
what the actual heck.. I need to reenter my license and my data dir is gone...
TSOALR... wait a minute... I half remember something light that...
*like
in the distant past... when I still had a body of flesh..
@CrusherJoe?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 16:13
relic SSEG isnt linked to anything
i'll start an issue
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 28 2018 16:16
oh lord
why is everything broken? xD
ah. beta branch. better now.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 16:18
ah, yeah. that'll do it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 28 2018 16:24
@amis92 so that all being said; can you say something to the dude so he drops it?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 28 2018 16:35
oh I see.
So what is missing is the check on a DA warlord and the check for the stratagem that allows you to take more than 1 relic
saevelland
@saevelland
Aug 28 2018 16:50
Some of the space wolves
Wargear points values still needs to be updated as well.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 28 2018 16:57
relic stratagem is not a problem, I did that with AdMech as the first one I think :P
Checking the faction of the warlord... hm. Maybe BS did evolve since the last time I did have something to work on...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 28 2018 17:47
that's the reason each catalogue has it's own local Warlord selection
so that we can validate them separately
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 28 2018 17:47
oh ofc
just check for existance of specific warlord...
getting rusty.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Aug 28 2018 18:01
Done. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. Ill test some stuff tomorrow when I'm at work and then commit the changes.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 18:18
The relics are there...hmmm
Well dangit...I'll have to fix that obviously
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Aug 28 2018 19:43
who cares..the best of them is a stupid bolter^^
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 20:36
for Space wolves or Dark Angels??
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 28 2018 20:36
@GenWilhelm thank you for the task list -- that is actually just the thing I needed
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 28 2018 20:36
either way, even if noone on earth would actually choose it, if it is not there, someone will complain it is missing
You wot?
tekton
@tekton
Aug 28 2018 22:59
lolbotZ
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 28 2018 23:01
That is... interesting.