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29th
Aug 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:04
I find myself in a very curious position
Of knowing the wolf files need work (and I will most certainly do the work, no question about it)
But because it sucks so much it's hard to summon up the desire to mess with it.
It's that bad, y'all
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:08
Dude welcome to the 1 trick ponies that are 8e marine dexes
BA have slamguinius and DCo
DA have PLASMA™️
And vanilla marines have gorillaman
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:11
It's not even a one trick pony
It's more like the old mare that's been put out to pasture and like once a month her ears twitch and everyone claps for her because they feel bad for her
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:14
See I disagree there
I think it’s got enough going for it to be a solid mid-tier
Consistency with the other marine dexes is so very important for the health of the game
You played wolves at the point they were one of the problems with 40k. Yes, they were awesome; too awesome
NOW, THAT BEING SAID
8e does still have major problems with balance between factions
Marines are, well, purely average at this point; but pay premium for being poster children
And I’m not going to complain about eldar either.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:19
"one of the problems" is a dramatic overstatement
They were good. They weren't unbeatable.
But they murdered Eldar at an alarming rate
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:20
Their schtick was always “anything you can do, my specialist units can do better”
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:20
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:20
Joe
Sure, they weren’t unbeatable
But were any other marines remotely close to their power level?
NO
THAT is a problem
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:21
And that's the way it should be
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:21
INCORRECT
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:21
They were the Emperor's Executioners
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:21
Yes they were
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:21
When other marines got out of line, the Wolves were sent to fuck them up
They were badasses amongst badasses
I'm just really disgusted right now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:22
But if you read the heresy; the wolves NEEDED the SoS and the Custodes have a chance against the TSons
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:23
Especially if what I was told this evening over dinner from a FOAP (Friend of a Playtester)
Guardsmen going up to 5ppm, Co Commanders going up to 50 points
And you'll only be able to spend CP generated by your faction
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:23
I hate to say it, but I’m starting to see why Angry Ron and his emo marines dislike the wolves so much
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:24
So instead of actually fixing the problem they just rape the guard, hard, and ruin the only thing keeping Imperium propped up even close to other armies
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:24
@CrusherJoe you know what amuses me about that? Elysians and DKOK would still be more expensive
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:25
Sure, they needed the mutes and the supermen because they took a few wolves and went to the literal Planet of Sorcerers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:26
More like 3/4 of the fucking legion, not a “few wolves”
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:26
Yes...."a few" LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:26
And they still nearly got their asses handed to them
By the LEAST skilled legion
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:27
...filled with Tzeench-juiced witches.
Yes.
Seems fair.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:27
At that point no, they weren’t juiced
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:27
........
So...all those psykers didn't contribute to the battle?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:28
Ironically it was the flesh change breaking out en masses that pulled the wolves out of the fire
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:29
Hey man I think it was a mistake to send anyone down to the surface of Prospero
Cyclonic torpedoes and virus bombs would've saved everyone so much misery
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:29
Fuck it, I’ll quote angron. The wolves are the emperor’s executioners not because they’re the most ferocious, it’s because they’re leashed and do his beck and call
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:30
Well said, heretic. grins evilly
And Angorn was such a shining example
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:30
To be fair, your statement was just as heretical
Because at that point, russ was following HORUS’s orders
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:31
Really? Think of how different things would be if they'd given Propero the Exterminatus it so richly deserved
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:31
Empy wanted Magnus brought back to terra
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:31
Yes, to weaken the Wolves and create more...well...chaos
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:31
Imagine what would have happened if THAT HAD HAPPENED
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:32
Imagine what would have happened if Smegmus would've done what he was told
We'd have webway travel
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:32
Magnus would have acended the golden throne, lived, and empy would have been able to actually handle Horus
The empy would still be living, not a corpse, magnus would actually still be useful, and malcador wouldn’t have become a husk while daddy dealt with Horus
So no
It’s RUSS’S fault
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe throws back his head and howls with laughter
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:34
Sure
Not the idiot that sold his soul to Tzeench
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:35
He only sold his soul to tzeench to save his sons from the lapdogs
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:37
He'd compromised his soul long before that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:38
Then why did he try to warn the emperor
If his soul was so corrupted he wouldn’t have tried to end the heresy as it started
So no
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:39
Because he was doing the bidding of Tzeench, whether he knew it or not
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 01:39
I don’t buy it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:40
Meh
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe shrugs his shoulders
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 01:41
As it turns out, Emps was right. There are things you shouldn't go fucking around with, and Maggy thought he knew better. Which he didn't, but he really, REALLY thought he did. He began trafficking with daemons (knowingly or not) and at that point he was compromised
It's kinda the theme of the Horus Heresy
Poor choices and bad decisions, all around
No one at Prospero was blameless
It's a tragedy on the Greek level
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 02:08
Okay them's all the wolf "fixes" so far...I think
Also, can someone explain this to me?
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 02:14
He’s still listed in CODEOWNERS
So that’s automatic
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 02:16
Can whomever has the access to fix that please fix it?
I suppose I could but I don't know if I should
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 02:20
To be fair I’m not sure he ever officially left
I think he just poofed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 03:19
People do that around here :p
I bypass that for ik by just committing to master lol
But I’m wreckless
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 03:21
lulz
Not that it matters, as I'm a codeowner for SW as well?
Whatevs
I'd prefer it be just me if it's just me
Anyway
Relic validation is now done
At least, based on wargear
As for how to do that "Trophies of Fenris" business (like "Relics of Terra" in Custodes) I have no idea
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 29 2018 03:26
@CrusherJoe I can do that tomorrow if you want, it looks harder than it is
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 03:26
Yes indeedy...but I would really like to know how it's done
I can't find any logic in the xml that does...anything based on "Relics of Terra" selections
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 29 2018 03:27
just open up custodes and follow the logic pattern
its an SSE that is applied to every relic
then the SSE has some logic applied to it on its original item, based on warlord and strats
look in the SSE list for relic of terra and check the logic
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 03:29
Ah okay
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 29 2018 03:30
it gives 2 or 3 for strat, and decrements by 1 if no custodes warlord
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 03:30
That's what I used as the basis for my Relics of The Shame
...er, I mean "The Fang"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 29 2018 03:30
lol
rivaling iron warriors for the "bitter boys" title at this rate
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 03:32
Believe me, if there was a way to punish GW in a meaningful, impactful way that would make them redact and retconn Codex: Spade Wolves...I would do it in a heartbeat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 03:39
Now there’s an idea
Wolves that garden.
Green thumb Russ
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 29 2018 03:44
now that I'm caught up... only spending CP from your faction would require another boost to the amounts given by certain detachments to not utterly cripple anything with power armor
to say nothing about Banana boys
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 29 2018 03:51
That would basically leave deathwatch as the only really playable PA faction that isn't chaos
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 03:53
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Had to redo the Warlord selection as originally it was just pointing back to the (not local) one
FFS
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Aug 29 2018 03:54
at least its now done
but yeah, wolves are disappointing, but they should not be 7e obnoxiousness levels either, somewhere in between around DW level would have been good
I guess I'll count my lucky stars DW work fairly well standalone
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 04:03
DW are on the rise actually
They were just beginning their ascent and then <BAM!> Knights dropped
And all the ferrets ran off to play with the new shiny things
But now that shine has worn off a bit and people are getting back to DW
They're won/placed at some major events last month/this month
So...on the rise!
Congrats! DW are the one marine codex that doesn't choke on cock
Anyway
Relics and warlord and all that shiz should validate correctly now for...everything
tekton
@tekton
Aug 29 2018 05:51
I’ve slowly gotten GK to work solo-ish, but they require the guard battalion to take on anything not chaos demons (even when you@have to fight the army twice a game)...that said, DW are actually more fun to play at the moment overall
If the CP regen goes down for imperial it’s just going to push me more to Tau I have a feeling...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 06:19
That's the hard(er) way and, IMHO, looks odd on the output . Just add the "Relic" category to the relics and validate on that - see any Chaos cat.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 29 2018 07:07
@CrusherJoe @Kohato (re: reviews on PRs from code owners) you can just edit CODEOWNERS file from .github folder, it's a text file and by analogy you should be able to modify it as needed.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 08:03
all this talk does make me wonder if it is worth carrying on with my Dark Angels
I mean, I have my Deathwatch, and my Eldar... I've only got a Dark Angels army because their fluff is cool
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 10:30
I'm with Iain, "tag" selections have been dead since we got access to categories.
for the Warlord - you just need to give your local Warlord the Warlord category
for relics - you can validate based on the SSEG with shared constraints
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 12:35
@/all, should Warlord Traits be min 1? I've never done it that way because they are technically optional, although you'd never do it.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 12:37
theyre not mandatory and you dont have to decide until just before deployment. same goes for psychic powers
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 29 2018 12:37
Don't you have to be Battle-Forged to take Traits?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 12:38
nope. it's part of the core rules
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 12:38
that's what I thought. It's causing the issue in #3477.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 29 2018 12:38
Oh, then ignore me
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 12:40
The min 1 constraints are doing weird shit with child detachments, I think because the Warlord Trait SSEG is getting hidden twice. If we're not enforcing it, then all that can be stripped.
and also because it's not using a local Warlord SSE.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 12:43
if you make their Warlord UID the same as the IG one, it'll cross-validate
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 12:45
No, no, no. Bad @GenWilhelm.
You make a local Warlord SSE with the "Warlord" category and that does it for you.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 12:45
it's too late for me. i have already tasted the power
i mean for relic validation
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 12:46
ugh
maybe that's why it was using the shared Warlord...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 12:49
nah. nothing should be using the shared warlord
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 12:50
Makes sense for AM though because they are almost always going to be nested?
not that it matters because you can take a Relic in AM without even having a Warlord at present.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 12:51
but then you have to make sure nobody else is using it. libraries can't come soon enough
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 12:51
tell me about it
Do we know if a catalogue can be both user facing AND a library?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Aug 29 2018 12:52
It can
Selecting "library" just hides it from user. Works one way, so to speak.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 12:55
Shared warlord is bad mmkay
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 12:57
well, I've changed it in Elysians now, it will need doing in AM at some point.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 13:46
So
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 13:47
La
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 13:47
My take-away from this morning's discussion is that I did it wrong?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 13:47
WL Traits?
Relics?
Something else?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 13:47
Relics
I followed the @WindstormSCR method
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 13:52
It's not "wrong", it's just a deprecated method now we have categories.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 13:53
if they're all in a shared group, you can just validate on the group. no need for the child selection thingy
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 13:53
however, the fact that you haven't given "Trophy of Fenris" a max 1 in Parent is definitely wrong :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 13:54
I mirrored what @WindstormSCR did in Custodes
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 13:55
Like I said, it's not wrong, but it's just, IMHO, untidy.
If you give each Relic SSE the "Relic" category, the validation in the GST will error if you take more than one.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 13:59
Do you have a cat I can look at for examples? :smile:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 13:59
Death Guard?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 14:01
Right on. Since I'm actually having to do sysadmin-type work today that requires at least part of my brain I'll look at it later today
And then overhaul -- again -- the way relic validation works for Wolves
And I guess Warlord?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 14:07
@CrusherJoe, I think you might have overwritten a commit at some point... I'm sure someone fixed the fact that the Wulfen Dread isn't linked to root and fixed the two uncategorised models, but v44 seems to have those bugs in again?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 14:09
Hmmmm
Well...dang it
If you have a moment could you re-fix?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 14:09
sure
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 14:09
I can't fire up a data editor at the moment
Thank you kindly
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 15:18
well, I ended up having to do more than expected...
accidentally broke the relic visibility (I suspect because you copypasted the IDs in to the SSEG?). I've moved that validation to the SSEs so it can't happen again.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Aug 29 2018 15:25
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 15:26
I kind of like when new implementations get messed up for whatever reason
it really shows who is a greedy fuck in the community
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 15:50
He asked me to fix something for him.
Not sure how that makes me greedy?
But thanks for the community spirit.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 16:03
Thank you @Mad-Spy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 16:29
@Thairne
You’re welcome ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:47
@Mad-Spy You misunderstand
I mean when someone doesn't have the newest cat/codex out the MINUTE it releases, we get tickets and comments demanding fixes
like people are owed
Not a dig at you, just an observation about our users.
I haven't seen issues yet (though we've for sure gotten them in the past) - but I see comments online about data being wrong and why it's not fixed yet
Sorry if that sounded directed to anyone here - not at all. I like us very much.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:51
Hey man I fixed a raft of shit last night
(and apparently broke something already fixed?)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:51
Oh yea, you did a boatload in a short time - hats off
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:52
The sad thing is, I was looking forward to it as a labor of love
But there's no love in that book
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:52
Now you can look forward to the fall FAQ that will drop in winter because GW doesn't know seasons.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:52
I felt guilty updating the data files, as if I were in some part being part of the machine that inflicts that garbage on my fellow Wolves
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:53
Haha. "Please. just use index. you'll be happier"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:53
Everything I've heard from playtest-types indicates once again GW is going after the wrong things and "fixing" things the wrong way
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 17:53
@Kohato, ok. Guess I misunderstood with your comment coming straight after @sk_Father_Price_twitter's pic.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:53
Someone needs to explain to them that just raising points values doesn't fix abusive bullshit
@Mad-Spy I hope you know all I was expressing was genuine gratitude for you help
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:54
We all love each other here in a very balls not touching type of way.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Aug 29 2018 17:54
@Kohato Yeah ... I've seen the 'I don't have points yet' in regards to the Necromunda Gang Wars stuff on /r/Necromunda
well actually /r/Battlescribe
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:55
Yea, /r/ is the main culpret.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:55
I tell people the same thing whenever I hear a complaint
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:55
But it crops into issues here too
Thats why a little part of me loves when new releases are either bugged, or not out at midnight.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:55
"It's open source. We're volunteers. You're more than welcome to join the community and crank out some code if you don't like where things are at."
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:55
It shows who is just a greedy shit and who is actually a nice end user.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:56
That usually shuts down bitchery with a quickness
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Aug 29 2018 17:56
well changing points is cheaper but to be fair there were some game changers. no more dropping in on turn 1 and those new detachement rules made a lot of sense imo
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 17:56
And then there are the users who have to know better then us
And have to be correct
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:56
Hewhoshallnotbenamed
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Aug 29 2018 17:56
oops i shoul scroll down before posting^^
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:56
If I could, I'd reply to all of those issues with a dick pic
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 17:57
/me glares at termite contravency
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:57
(not mine, mind you, just some rando internet penis pic)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:57
Controvercy?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:57
See I side with the users on that one though
There's no "controversy"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:58
But there is a contravency
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:58
The datasheet has been replaced.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:58
;)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 17:58
New name, same model. Move on.
I don't really see what's at stake with the older datasheet. Is there some magic wombo-combo with the old rules?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 17:59
@Kohato that’s me channeling Jim fucking sterling lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 17:59
Haha
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 18:01
I mean, I didn't want to click on the ol' "Remove" button on the Lone Wolf entries....but I did it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 18:01
But even if they're not in the codex
they're index aren't they?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 18:02
because I liiiiiiike to practice what I preach....
Same thing as Stim Injectors for Tau
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 18:02
i would hold fire on permanently removing them until the FAQ says "of course you can't use them, ya big dumbos"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 18:03
Unit has been replaced with Strat.
Thanks for playing. Please drive through!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 18:03
That's ... a bit different I think
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 18:03
Negative.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 18:03
No?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 18:03
We ALL KNOW what the intent was
Lone Wolf is no more
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 18:03
See I’m with @Kohato and @GenWilhelm
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 18:03
As a standalone unit you can pay points for
Case closed.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Aug 29 2018 18:04
isnt the battle leader close enough?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 18:04
Don’t remove it until it’s officially faq’d dead
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 18:04
TOO LATE!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 18:04
Just In Case™
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 18:04
@CrusherJoe do I have to give you the we don’t determine intent speech again?
Put it back.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 18:05
was there ever a model explicitly sold as a lone wolf? is there any way to determine just by looking that a model is a lone wolf and not some other character?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 18:05
Stims was an upgrade
and we all know the lovely issue with old upgrades on new sheets.
but this is an entire unit in the index.
There's no ambiguity there, Index units can be taken.
Done and done.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 18:06
iff that is the only datasheet available for that model
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 18:06
Right.
Which since it's not in the codex .. it is the only one, right?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 18:07
that's what my previous questions were about
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 18:07
(Serious question, I don't follow wolves much)
If I recall the GW response was codex was for currently marketed models and configurations. but Index is still valid
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 18:08
if it's the same model as, say, a pack leader, then the model can still be used, just not with the index sheet
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 18:14
^thats pretty cut-and-dried
saevelland
@saevelland
Aug 29 2018 18:14
Just I case people forgot all wargear options from the index are also valid
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 18:18
right, which supports what i was saying. iff there's no datasheet in the codex that your (pre-codex) lone wolf can use, the index sheet is legal
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Aug 29 2018 18:28
@GenWilhelm Did they update/change keywords in the new codex from the old index version?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 18:28
which keywords?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Aug 29 2018 18:29
keywords for the Space Wolf units, between Index and Codex.
i.e. the core faction keywords are still 'Space Wolf' ?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 18:30
Space Wolves, yeah
along with Imp and AA ofc
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Aug 29 2018 18:31
(or whatever the faction keyword was) So, Lone Wolf units can still be taken in a Battle Forged army.
Is there anything on how they handle unit point profiles? (i.e. like AoS)
Basically, one would use the last set of point values available for the unit, until they're officially "EOL'd" in some form of FAQ?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 18:34
yeah, assuming it's legal, you'd use the most recently published points cost for the unit and its wargear
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Aug 29 2018 18:51
are there more ppl than crusherjoe working on the wolves atm? if not i spam him with bug reports privatly instead of opening issues^^
tekton
@tekton
Aug 29 2018 18:52
issues still help track thing
and then if he DOES need help, we know what he needs help with
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Aug 29 2018 18:53
okay i just asumed opening issues this early would be annoying
and would you prefere one thing per issue or rather collecting
tekton
@tekton
Aug 29 2018 18:54
The codex is so bad I don't think you can annoy him anymore than GW did
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Aug 29 2018 18:55
heh
andoird related or cat?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Aug 29 2018 19:22
Cat. It's the same on Windows. No max 1 constraint on the new powers
Paint day part 2
Everything is assembled now so to finish spraying the base color
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Aug 29 2018 19:24
imperial orks oO
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 19:25
It’s my basecolor for flecktarn
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 19:48
I'm still waiting for the first pic to resolve it's resolution properly...
oh... you mean it's just a phone pic in dodgy light :tongue:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 19:51
Yeah the light in my basement is pretty terrible outside of my spray booth lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 19:52
:+1:
In the light booth
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 19:58
[insert gremlins reference here]
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 20:01
So now my Elysians are all base coated; to start flecktarn’ing them up
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 20:25
:+1: I'm hoping for a similar rate of progress with my next set of Deathwatch
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 20:27
Considering these guys have been sitting mostly built but unpainted since they went on LCTB the progress is actually pretty slow lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 20:31
don't talk to me about slow progress...
I've had my Deathwatch for nearly two years
tekton
@tekton
Aug 29 2018 20:34
I have Tau from 3/4th and original plastic Kroot still on sprues...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 20:35
I have a 20 year old Falcon still in shrink wrap
(ok, maybe not exactly 20 Y/O, but nearly
)
tekton
@tekton
Aug 29 2018 20:37
sadly everything older got stollen :(
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 20:37
:-1:
tekton
@tekton
Aug 29 2018 20:38
i stepped away for a few years, came back in time for 8th to start (like the February before 8th dropped)
So I missed 6th and 7th basically...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 20:39
And I got more tau I can part with lol
I actually have like 15 new crisis to build
I got them after I sold my old crisis
Actually scratch that, I think it’s only 9 or 12
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 20:41
"only"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 20:42
Yeahhhhh
But to be fair I sold like 15 and 40ish fire warriors to get them lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 20:45
wtf...?!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 20:46
That’s only about half my tau lll
Lol*
saevelland
@saevelland
Aug 29 2018 20:51
Had my wolves for 1 year so far and I've painted 70% out of 6k points I'm a try hard lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 20:52
Wow!! that's impressive!!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 21:08
Please please please raise issues for Wolves problems.
Note that some of the issues that are in released version have already been fixed
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 21:15
So I just had a friend complaining to me that Cerastus knights that are warlords can't take relics
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 21:17
did you tell him to RTFM...?? (I don't know the correct answer, but normally they can't take them in BS because they just can't take them...)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 21:17
They absolutely can if they are the Warlord
It's the only way they can
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 21:18
shrug
best raise an issue then :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 21:19
True. Practice what I preach n'all that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Aug 29 2018 21:19
:wink:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 21:20
yeah, they can take the free one for having an IK Warlord, but not the purchased one(s) from the stratagem
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 21:21
There was an issue open, then I had to re-login (as I changed my password this morning on a diff computer) and WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE ISSUES? LOL
Also
That moment when you're reading an issue and you can't remember if you already fixed it...or not...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 21:27
I’ll actually do bugfixes tomorrow
Youngest started kindergarten
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 21:28
Oh wow coolness
Yeah I've had a very...long...day already
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 21:28
So now my days are actually free from 0830 to 1400
It’s nice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 21:28
Isn't it?
I mean, I still have to work, but the peace and quiet of working from home, alone, is superb
Though by "peace and quiet" I usually mean "with loud metal playing in the background"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Aug 29 2018 21:30
And on days like today where the other 3 kids are at their dad’s means I don’t have to drive at 0645 to take those three to school so I can technically sleep in till 0630
Days we have them I’m waking up at 0530
The change of pace is nice
Now if I can get a PT job to add supplemental income I’ll be set
But yeah I’ll work on the guard stuff tomorrow probably
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 21:33
Hey @GenWilhelm do you want me to raise an issue about the Cerastus Knights and relics?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 21:33
go for it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 21:35
That's your cat right?
(man I'm kinda brain dead...effin' getting called for work at 6:30...)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Aug 29 2018 21:37
it's officially Crowbar's, but @Kohato has done all the work on it since the codex
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe derps.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Aug 29 2018 21:38
Sorry. Duh.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 21:42
Go for it. I have another one to look at in a bit
I’ll take care of both.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 22:01
Yea, they should have relics if they're the warlord ... It shouldn't be hidden in that instance
it's wonky logic, i'm looking at it now
It would've happened when I fixed it so that they can't take relics from the strat
Damn you small check box, damn you.
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Fixed.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 22:07
Fun fact. Atropos warlord also could not take relics.
And armigers
and anything other than dominus/questoris
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 29 2018 22:14
Either way, fixed :D