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12th
Sep 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 12 2018 06:24
YAY! Done just in time for the Nerf Bat!
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Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 12 2018 07:01
@kohato, I don't think they're going to be available except inside the Rogue Trader box.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 08:13
@CrusherJoe that looks ace! Really think the nerf bat is coming for knights??
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 12 2018 11:07
I don’t think a huge nerf will come. They had to buff cp to make people happy.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 11:30
castellan will probably see a small nerf. also heard lots of howling about the gallant, but it doesnt seem too strong to me
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 11:31
just a points increase?? or something different??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 11:32
yeah, probably points
it's difficult to change anything else without majorly changing the power
unless they do something like the making certain strats more expensive for the big knights
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 11:35
uhuh, thats the problem with power creep
although, at least with the FAQ and so on they have built in something of a re-balancing mechanism
speaking of which, when is the next Chapter Approved due out??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 11:44
December
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 11:44
:+1:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 11:45
other than the sisters dex and balance updates, what are we hoping for this year?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 12 2018 11:46
Orks
Which is assumed to be October
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 11:46
i meant in CA :stuck_out_tongue:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 12 2018 11:47
More missions to add to my binder I hope
I like having a binder to roll a dice on to play a mission
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 11:48
theres gotta be about 50 by now, right?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 12 2018 11:48
There’s a pretty good number
I’m wondering if there will be official tournament rules. Since they’re going about heavily connecting to things like nova.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 11:49
yeah, something like what they've done with KT would be good
but idk how much that would encroach on ITC
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 12 2018 11:51
ITC changes too much for them to ever be 1:1 with GW rules packet I think
Not saying that's a bad thing - just the difference is too major
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 11:51
you think? the competitive KT missions are extremely similar in style to ITC
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 12 2018 11:52
Oh I missed you saying KT. I don't know about that, I haven't actually seen the KT missions
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 11:53
should GW care...?? I mean, it is their game, if "someone else" wants to make up rules for their own tournaments, let them get on with it (that's kinda what they've done so far)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 12 2018 11:55
It's what they used to do. Now we see initiatives like that GW Approved for tournaments. They're trying to be more inclusive and friendly with big tournaments. Not saying they should kowtow to them, but - working with them to devise official rules for a tournament setting? I can see them moving in that direction
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 12 2018 11:57
They were advertising for an "Events Coordinator" not long ago. Maybe that's the new person who'll be doing the liaison.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 12 2018 11:57
Agreed - I think that is what the intent for that position was/is
tekton
@tekton
Sep 12 2018 11:58
Tournaments are a rather important part of the marketing, so it would seem that it is important for them to pay attention and tweak accordingly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 13:15
yeah, I'd support additional "tournament" rules so that when you go to tournaments some of the "discuss this with your opponent" has been done beforehand
but surely, GW will approach it from the point of view of telling ITC what the GW vision is for tournaments, and ITC will have to either change their rules or not be "GW Approved"...??
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 13:21
I don't see GW asking ITC's opinion (not directly at least) and then changing their "tournament rules" along the lines of what ITC say
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 12 2018 14:41
new rule in the RT mini dexes that detachment generated CP would only apply to that codex stratagems ... I sense a disturbance in the force META
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 14:44
nice. that means they won't completely gut IG, right?
sweats profusely
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 12 2018 14:46
ask your Commissar ...
sk_Father_Price_twitter @sk_Father_Price_twitter cocks bolt-pistol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 12 2018 14:49
@FarseerVeraenthis Yes I really think they are going to wank up the Castellan in particular -- scuttlebutt I keep hearing repeated is 700+ points
Hopefully they mean "generated by other means than what you start the game (or in KT's case, turn) with"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 14:52
700pts would be ~17% increase, which is in line with what we've seen in the past, so i can believe that
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 12 2018 14:52
yeah ... cause 2CP & 3CP cost stratagems are going to be worth sod all in a 5 turn game with an RT outrider or wahtever that only starts with 1CP
and if that's the logic they might apply to other factions / detachments then I fear for non-imperium based soup (looking at Necron multi-dynastic forces) that might get culled into oblivion with the knee-jerk
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 12 2018 15:05
As I have been preaching
If you want to fix CP regen shenanigans make it to where the regen mechanic only works on CP spent by the detachment with the mechanic
No further adjustment necessary
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 15:08
it means pure custodes are basically fucked
thankfully deathwatch dodge the bullet by virtue of being nearly entirely troops and transports
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 12 2018 15:14

still expensive though ... with Crons I can just about squeeze 8/9 CP from a 2K list that has at least something semi-dangerous in it ..

if I tried that with marines .. I'd have a shed load of scouts and not a lot of much else

WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 15:14
they might have to increase the CP provided by outriders/spearheads/etc if they go ahead with the "only CP generated by your detachment is usable on its stratagems"
it'll hurt regular marines, possibly GK too
basically anyone that isn't DW on the imperium side that has expensive strats and lower model count
so anyone but skittles/IG/DW
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 15:16
most SM-like factions already run scouts dont they?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 12 2018 15:16
as the only viable options, shelving tacs
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 15:17
also on the subject of castellan nerfs, even if they make it 700 points it'll still be good, my scorpion type II doesn't have the same level of firepower and regularly sees play at 750
it's got a semi-similar level of firepower, just all directed at a single target I guess, I don't think it's too much to worry about
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 15:18
intercessors are fine for camping objectives, and scouts are excellent at screening (or getting up in your opponent's face in the case of BA)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 12 2018 15:18
I have had issues fitting a Castellan in at current points
At 700 it's a big ol' NOPE
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 15:19
@CrusherJoe well, if the CP thing comes in your lists would all go in the blender for a rewrite anyway
because banana boys would be having serious trouble getting what they need
same with slamgy
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 12 2018 15:19
I dropped shieldfuckers for smashfuckers already
I suspect that's going to get punked too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 15:20
nah, smash bros are already being run in a battalion with knife scouts
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 12 2018 15:20
Ew
Gross
No
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WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 15:20
it's going to have to happen if you want the strats with that meta change potentially :^)
(I'm laughing a little because the only thing that gets hit for me even slightly is the knight lance I run with my DW)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 12 2018 15:21
@CrusherJoe Aren’t you glad I finally sent you all those scouts you bought off me? LOL
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 12 2018 15:23
Eh
Not really
I hate painting scouts. :grin:
Someone just sent this to me
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I lol'd
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 12 2018 16:48
Haha I like it
tekton
@tekton
Sep 12 2018 17:34
There’s a slightly easier way, since it’s an economy unit, in making the extra regen CP temporary that expires at the end of the player turn
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 21:50
Hot off my phone
Enjoy knowing the ACTUAL rule
It's not detachment CP that's limited, just the bonus
Like rowboat or calgar
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 21:51
groovy
intersting deployment as well
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 21:52
It's to stop people getting 4cp from a 145pt or less vanguard
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 21:52
yeah, which is definitely not in the spirit of the game
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 21:53
109 without Mitch's squad
Which would have made them the cheapest battery in the game
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 22:01
hmmm... I'm glad they found a way to stop that happening, while still being "sensible" and not causing a major shift in the meta
aside from that, do you think they have any utility for a guard army?? or any Imperium army??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 22:07
Hard to say yet, only got a brief read while picking up some stuff
Stuff being a castellan, some cataphractii and intercessors
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 22:10
like you do
anyone got any idea when issue 3 of Conquest will be in the shops??
I fancy me some Reivers for some clipper action to add to my DW Kill Team
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 22:16
Get the multipart box and thank me later
You want a riever sgt with knife+ carbine and 4 more with carbine for 40k
Optimal dwkt :
intercessor sgt: ps and br
intercessor: SBR Sniper spec
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 22:22
Intercessor gunner: SBR aux gl comms
Reiver sgt: knife carbine combat spec
Veteran with infernus HB
100/100pts , mean as fuck
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 22:25
yeah, that's pretty mean
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 22:28
Reason reiver sgt with carbine is because there is a tactic in the DW box that lets you withdraw and shoot
Also he's your best mobile objective grabber
Between dragon fire rounds and comms boost your sniper is nearly always hitting on 2s or hitting on 3s wounding on 2s with -2 AP
Intercessors with BRs or SBRs fuck up just about anything short of light armor on up
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 22:33
yes, 2's re-rolling 1's does sound rather unpleasant
looks like I'll be saving up for more dudes
although, that gives me time to get my current dudes painted
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 22:38
also reivers with carbines are fantastic on TT
drop them in where you need work done without spending a strat
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 22:41
TT??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 12 2018 22:41
Tabletop, sorry, I've been too used to discussing 40k in a RPG group for dark heresy (wrath and glory soon though)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 12 2018 22:42
hehehe
that's cool, I thought that was what you meant, but then there is a Terror Tactics mission, and they have the Terror Tactics special rule... plus it's late and I need to go to bed :smile:
:sleepy:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 12 2018 23:05
re:CP - they can't fill a vanguard by themselves
was looking at them earlier and the healer character doesnt take up a slot
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 12 2018 23:10
Yeah I'll be curious as to how these KT units slot into a 40 detachment