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14th
Sep 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:24
Okay, HOURS later, but
@alphalas the Ministorum Priest IS finished. He will not change -- either in wargear, points, or stupid fucking wargear SEG names until GW releases something new for it.
And that's that.
@WindstormSCR if you needed the instructions you should have asked -- I have them in PDF for both Castellan and Valiant
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:30
nah, had the instructions, it was just about modifying them to build as much as possible without gluing any exteriro plate
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:31
Oh literally everything
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:31
yeah, I figured it out
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:31
Mine was all chassis with nary an armor plate on it when it was time for oil washes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:32
Dayum that's a lot of serious hardware
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:32
not even the stormeagle or land raiders... or the other 5 drop pods
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:33
Is that a..Dorito? Day Rodeo? Deredeo? Deodorant? WTFever that dread is called on the far left?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:33
drop pods make me very sad
Deredeo
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:33
Geebuz
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:33
deredeo, 2 armiger warglaives, leviathan, magnetized knight, castellan
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:33
Someone needs to have a "chat" with whoever does the naming of things
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:34
you mean rick priestly in the RTB01 days?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 03:34
There’s a reason I call it a dorito
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:34
Meanwhile 1.jpg
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:34
deredeo was in lore forever, they just made it not look 80s and actually made it a model
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:34
Sadly still as relevant today as the day I made it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:34
like saturnine terminator armor and the leviathan
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:34
ANYway
So this is what I think I'm taking to Slobberknocker this wekend
skgt1.5.PNG
But I'm still undecided, I'm taking...quite a few models...in case I change my mind
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:44
why not split the IG into two batallions, make the knight lance a full one?:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:44
....
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:45
I mean yeah, unit adjustments, but I can see a second knight of the right type being as effective or more than a pair of basilisks
you actually gain a CP out of it too
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:45
You know, I've shown this list to most if not all of my 40K so-called "friends" and they either make stupid, STUPID suggestions that gut the list concept or just suggest stupid things -- while not offering any "hey, this is a weakness I see here, and this is what you should do to shore that up"
You are the FIRST one to actually offer anything INTELLIGENT and USEFUL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:46
lol
the big thing is I wouldn't want to lose the helverin
tbh if you could fit a preceptor that'd be perfect fit
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:47
I don't have a Preceptor LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:47
no one does, he drops this weekend
which is a damn shame
but I'm thinking if the list plays well as three knights
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:48
Wait
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:48
that preceptor/castellan/gallant is the perfect trio
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:48
How will I can a CP?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:48
full 3 knight lance goes to +6 cp
instead of +3
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:48
Oh
Oh no no no
I don't think I can swing that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:48
what's the cost on a gallant?
3 50 something?
the basic idea is just to make your mr fister a harder ask to kill instantly, by doubling the amount of AV that NEEDS TO DIE NOW
so they have three knight class threats that are all immeadiate problems
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:58
So
CONSIDERING
Mister Fister is the Star of the Show, the Headliner
BUT
A fucking Castie is 604 points, I need to maximize what I get out of it
Mister Fister is going to rock and roll with the Love Glove
But
Now that I have 2 Helverins Castie and Fister
WHAT HOUSE?
And
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:59
still raven
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 03:59
ASSUMING I'm going to go with Ion Bulwark on Fister what traits do I get Castie?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 03:59
castellan gets ion bulwark and the cawl decimator, apply raven strat, laugh
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 04:00
And are you certain?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 04:00
yes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 04:00
I mean yeah that sounds...okay
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 04:00
give fister armor fo the sainted ion
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 04:00
NOPE
That's a relic
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 04:00
2+ armor, 5+ effective invuln because most shit hitting him is -3
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 04:00
And the Paragon Gauntlet is a must-have
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 04:01
then skip the WLT or take seneschal?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 04:01
Hm
There is that
Which is appealing I do believe
...or Landstrider
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 14 2018 04:02
or just save the CP for more raven/full tilt/etc
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 04:10
skgt1.6.PNG
Thoughts?
I actually like that quite a lot
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 04:16
The TC with BC and LC isn't Pask but Pask just isn't in the budget
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 04:32
Though a friend suggested dropping a helverin for a second TC
HMMMMM
Anyway, bedtime. We got the road at 10 am to Oklahoma
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 14 2018 07:53
looks like fun... well, for you at least, I'd not like to play against it for certain!! Good luck, safe travels!!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 09:59
Whelp
Guard now has a predator
It’s really a shame Multilasers are hot garbage this edition
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 14 2018 10:20
hmmm... still, it seems fairly cheap, and that's a lot of shots
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 10:24
The volkite is tasty
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 10:29
wow, that literally is just a predator with more weapon options
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 10:53
Yup
Kinda makes me wonder why Guard get this but not the aurox
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 14 2018 12:10
In other news, this: "For 100 power (that’s around 2000 points) you can field 2 Knight Preceptors and 6 Armigers of your choice for a potent and unusual little army – give it a go sometime!" almost makes me want to get some knights
that's from the Community article on tactics
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 14:09
So..."Carnodon"
It's official
GW has run out of good names
Also am I missing something? There doesn't seem to be anything special about it
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 14 2018 14:10
it can take volkites in 40k?
I think that's basically it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:12
It’s a predator that guard can take
And @CrusherJoe I’m pretty sure carnodon is a legacy name
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:14
but it has to compete with russes. other than access to volkite, it seems to be worse in every way, expect for being a few points cheaper
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 14 2018 14:15
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:15
8 shots at range with chances for D3 mortal wounds for just 108 points
I mean .. it's not awful
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:16
so on average that's 1 MW in addition to the 4 S6 hits
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 14:17
I kinda like the way it looks
Though it's the price of a basi
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:17
It’s a rhino/russ hybrid
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:17
4 chances for d3 MW and the other 4 volkites for a single MW
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 14 2018 14:17
And basilisks always do work in my games
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:18
if Multilasers were ap-1 I could see it be pretty good anti-MEQ
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:18
park a few round Guilliman and watch the world burn
from 30" away
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:18
they're IG, not SM
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:19
still get some rerolls .. just not the good ones ... and it's a threat to anyone getting too close to try and plant explosives (not that that's a thing )
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:20
it's only re-roll 1s for non-UMs, which you can get just for being cadian
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:20
still, trying to compare this to a dev squad filled with las / HB's .. I think it's points better spent on guard than SM
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:21
I mean the cheapest it can be is 96pts for the twin multilas and 2 hbolters
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:21
multis arent good though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:21
That’s 6 str6 shots and 6 str5 shots
@GenWilhelm this is true
HOWEVER
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:22
compare it to a dakkafex ..
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:23
It is the cheapest turret option; and as you pointed out, it’s guard
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:23
for no reason other than I have carnifexes and I think I can build them with similar T/W and about the same cost
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:24
Weight of fire tends to out-ass higher quality shots
6 str6 vs 4 str7 basically balances out imo
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:26
the Auto cannon is the same cost per gun as the volkite with one higher S but no MW .. I think I'd prefer the volkite
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:26
AP-1 is huge compared to AP0
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:27
both AP-1
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:27
i was talking about multlasers
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:27
aaah
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:27
i would spend the extra 4pts every time
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:28
I'd spend the extra 12 ppm for the better guns tbf
Jinx
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:29
but even then, i'd rather just pay the extra to have a russ
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:29
other than that if money=no object ... and if I played IG ... that's a nice looking model for a low enough cost (points) to field a few ... and it's not limited to any single <Regiment>
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:30
A russ is double the points base though
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:30
150pts for a double-tapping punisher
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:30
I think that’s where this thing slots in
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:31
base cost, yeah. but the carn is force to take sponsons, and the turret weapons are about the same cost on each
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:31
108 for the full volkite vs 150 for the punisher
is there any synergy stratagems / buffs a russ can get that the Carno cannot though ?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:32
Russes can be ordered
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:33
TComms should be ordering themselves instead
so only pask counts
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:34
Pask still auto-include these days ? (not seen guard on the table since my mate quit)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:34
only thing i can think is russes have obsec
if you're planning to play a cadian tcomm, he's a 10pt upgrade
which is never not worth it
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:35
?? thought he could double order or something
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 14 2018 14:35
@GenWilhelm obsec only when in a spearhead detachment
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:35
yeah, he can issue two orders per turn, instead of only one
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:36
I'll be honest I'm hoping to see Guard come back in post FAQ / CA
not seen any since 8th Began, but before codexes ruined everything damn them !
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:37
pre-codex guard... shudder
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:38
was better than just flipping Loyal 32 in every damn game !
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:38
sad to say they're probably going to be gutted in the name of balancing soup
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:39
I have my hopes that GW saw a fix that we all missed and that IG will survive to be solid mid-tier with the rest of us
I am an eternal optimist in that respect
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:40
they just need to fix how CP works in soup
that's the thing that's really being abused rn
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:43
so many options flying around the forums atm. I can't decide which I prefer.
but I know I'd hate having to manage 3 different pools of CP ... cause I know I'd forget which ones I was spending etc.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 14 2018 14:45
yeah, that option isnt ideal in a practical sense
but i feel like it would be the best for the health of the game, assuming soup is going to continue being a thing
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 14 2018 14:46
yeah I guess ... how many CP does my IK get ? 1... right well, that was hard to remember
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 14 2018 15:46
so many typo bugs
lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 14 2018 16:50
Yeah, just spotted a few today...