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18th
Sep 2018
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 18 2018 01:44
I’ll fix my four bugs tomorrow
Well 3 bugs and one update
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 18 2018 13:45
#3626 gets a big "WUT?" from me. I'll check it out today...but...eesh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 18 2018 13:46
You got a collective popping off
tekton
@tekton
Sep 18 2018 13:46
Sounds like fun with collections but now I want to try it and see what the UI does...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 18 2018 14:20
I think the Aggressors have a similar issue? #3583
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 18 2018 14:34
Yeah I found it...for some reason the base scout entry was Collective
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 18 2018 14:57
Okay all Wolf fleas squashed
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 18 2018 15:02
Njal's Wolf Spirits is still borked
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 18 2018 15:26
Oh?
Okay hold on
Fixed, merged, done.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 18 2018 15:30
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 18 2018 15:52
And AM bugs done too
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 18 2018 15:53
I was going to look at the SM ones last night, but I don't think I can fix them without breaking current lists.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 18 2018 16:01
Lol I accidentally hit (forgeworld) instead of (regiment) on the carnodon lol
Fixed
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 18 2018 16:07
i cant tell if that would make it better or worse. probably better because of stygies
wait nvm, it would remove canticles from the whole detachment
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Sep 18 2018 18:15
@WindstormSCR that logic might work for the other factions but there is no "watch captain" entry in the index. So you have to reference the DW section of the book which says use the captain entry with these exceptions
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 18 2018 18:41
There is no "Company master" entry either
same issue
or "Wolf Lord"
and if we want to go that route, then the watch captain loses a whole hell of a lot more than just the AGL
pretty much loses every replacer option on the basic watch cap
with all the attendant fuckery that will ensue
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Sep 18 2018 19:14
How does he lose all of that other stuff?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 18 2018 21:52
the non terminator captain is who loses most of the options, on account of the index modifier stripping him of most of the options

"USE THE CODEX VERSION OF YOUR MODEL’S DATASHEET, BUT YOU CAN CHOOSE TO USE THE INDEX VERSION FOR
ITS WARGEAR OPTIONS (NOTE THAT IF THE WARGEAR HAS RULES IN THE CODEX, THESE REPLACE THE INDEX RULES) "

Up until this point, we have been using the interpretation this means exactly only the wargear options box and any lists it references by RAW

several characters across BA, DA, SW, DW, and even GK would need to change if this reading/assumption is changed
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 18 2018 21:57
^this
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 18 2018 21:58
actually you'd have characters afftected in a bunch of non-marine cats too, most notably guard
and a few tournament placers needing DQ'd
so the index override was written in two parts
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 18 2018 22:03
which datasheet to use
and then modifications to that datasheet as a separate sidebar
The DC that retroactively added index stuff to codexes is RAW only concerned with datasheets, and a specific peice of that datasheet
in this case the 'Wargear Options' block of the captain datasheet and any lists referenced therein
this is why: DEPRECATION WAS A MISTAKE