These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

21st
Sep 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 01:40
The Castellan is worth every point
To the point where if they jack it up 100 points I'd probably still take one
3x Tau Broadsides unit?
One-shotted with Volcano Lance
worth it!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 03:46
its more worth it when you can advance it into the standard melta 12" range and still fire
and reroll everything
its like whoever designed that strat thought "What's the sneakiest turbo button for a castellan I can put in this codex"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 21 2018 07:38
Hehehe! So us that army Knights with Deathwatch support or the other way around :smile:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 11:00
even mix really
deathwatch are excellent at killing pretty much anything T6 and below, but have less good options for serious anti-tank, while knights are heavy on the anti-tank and mostly rely on CC to kill infantry
the skitarii are (in my opinion) a more versatile battery than IG because they have the SFTS style deployment option which allows them to often exceed the deployment zone and set up in cover or on objectives, or in cases with a CC-heavy opposing army to screen pile-in shenanigans
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 21 2018 13:14
sounds good, that's my thinking too, hence why I'm glad I bought the Kill Team starter set and therefore have some Skitarii and an excuse to start a(nother) new army :-)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:17
@WindstormSCR I think you have a very balanced list
So let's go over the Tropes You'll Meet in a GT
What will you do against an IG/BA (mostly smashfuckers)/Knight list?
(and by "Knight list" I mean something with at least one Castellan)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:23
What will you do against Ynarri/Aeldari Dark Raper spam (still a thing -- not as common but there's all sorts out there)
..against Dark Eldar Venom spam? Meat mountain?
...and against that one dude that always seems to show up at events playing horde Orks?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:25
so, going down the list:
IG/BA I'm not too worried about because that's the kind of shit I see at my local and is the closest tournaments get to "balanced" the smashies will get screened by skitarii and probably shot my arqeubi from them, with probably 33%ish chance to remove one of them before serious CC contact. other knights are what the castellan eats so not super concerned
even if the castellan goes boom I have the armigers which are surprisingly reliable at killing other knights
Venom spam is actually the easiest tbh, thanks to deathwatch strats meaning he won't want to come too close, increasing his ranges to the point where all that rapid becomes ineffective, my list is mostly designed to engage at advantage for infantry (excepting the skitarii which are speedbumps anyway)
Meat Mountain has the issue of having to deal with the volcano/plasma deci, which I don't care how much FNP you have, that's gonna hurt a big talos unit really badly
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:31
horde orks are why the skitarii exist, can't Da-jump onto a knight when there are skitarii creating a nice bubble of "fuck your charge" combined with the rapid-fire SIA from DW clearing huge chunks out of them each turn they shoot
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:33
Meat Mountain is all about the Grotes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 21 2018 13:34
sounds like a good plan
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:34
4++ and multi-wounds...they're a tough nut to crack
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:34
eh, hellfire rounds do work on T5/T6
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:34
True that
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:34
wounding on 2s rerolling 1s means taking a lot of that invuln/fnp
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:34
Make 'em roll a pile of save is my method
Daemons/T-sons smite spam?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:35
the surprising star of that list is actually the stalker bolt rifle squad
people shit on the SBR so much, but inherent -2 AP with that much reach out and touch is really good in practice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:35
Or daemons dropping bloodletter bombs followed by Khorne DP with relic sword of "knight death"?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:36
bloodletter bomb is really same as dajump orks just a different color
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:36
...but with power swords
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:36
t-sons smite spam has to clear all those skitarii before they get to anything important
and power swords and ork shit do the same things to skitarii, so same plan
the armigers might get a bit more banged up
but that's about it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:37
...Tau 2xVa'va'h'ra'a'a'a'a or whatever it's called with standard riptipe and multiple commanders in suits?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:37
I fully expect 90% to 100% skitarii casualties first turn
tau are an oddball, really depends on drone disposition and how much he forces me to splitfire, but because non-vehicle models I give no fucks about toughness so all my bolters wound on 2s
:D
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:39
What about those damned drones that you know he's gonna hide out of LOS? Drop in a commence murderin'?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:40
pretty much, or just shoot the suits a LOT
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:40
NO no no always kills the drones first LOL
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:40
which is surprisingly easy to achieve with that much bolter fire
ideally yes
but I have killed similar suits lists at my local by simply rapid firing SIA into a yvhara untl all the drones exploded, then lascannoned the yvhara out of existance
I think that's the big thing that makes the list work, is how damn mean SIA is used correctly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 21 2018 13:42
uhuh, I always seem to choose the wrong ammo
but if used by someone with a brain it is powerful
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:42
I like it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:43
basically you use whatever ammo reduces either the wound roll or save roll more
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:43
Just wanted to walk you through the scenarios make sure you had answers for them
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:43
the real place I can fuck up good is if I position the skitarii badly
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:45
I fought one guy that had several LRBT and Basis plus 3xAtemia pattern hellhounds
He told me about 3 turns in that he was only afraid of knights if his opponent knew how to bubble-wrap to keep his smashfuckers away from them
This was after I'd deleted his 2 smashfuckers. Only one put wounds on the gallant and that was after some judicious rolls of 6+ armor vs. thunderhammers LOL
You know what both smashfuckers and shieldfuckers really don't like? Death Grip.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 13:48
they don't like transuranic arquebus shots either
fail that stormshield save and shit gonna hut
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 13:48
A-yep
My shieldbreaker missiles were very hit-and-miss -- literally
They're also good against other knights rotating down to 3++
Not so good against shieldfuckers. They get a 6+ save. Guess what the one opponent I faced with them did when I shot a shieldbreaker at him? You guessed it...promptly rolled a 6. sad trombone
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 14:12
at least a chaplain dread will be stupid easy to make out of the BA dread kit
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 14:20
Oh those things are sexy
(also, all Wolfy fleas have been squashed)
Someone mentioned doing a release?
It is Friday after all
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 21 2018 14:22
yeah, I thought it might be a nice idea since there are loads of open issues that I hope have been closed and the last release was 11 days ago or something...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 14:23
Let me squash the Elysian one real quick
The bullshit I’m dealing with right now
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 21 2018 14:31
wtf...?!
something sheared off??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 14:31
just a little bit of corrosion
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 21 2018 14:31
or it's just covered in actual shit...??
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 21 2018 14:32
Oh the bullshit covering everything is road dirt, brake dust, and bullshit
What I’m trying to do is replace the ABS speed sensor
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 21 2018 14:33
Send it to /r/justrolledintotheshop
That’s the splash shield I’m trying to remove
Because the speed sensor is under the splash shield
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 14:34
Seems logical.
Squashed the Elysian bug. That's all the bugs I can fix.
:shipit:
(lol)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 21 2018 14:37
Hopefully replacing the speed sensor will turn off my ABS and brake lights on the dashboard
fingers crossed
That all being said
If I can’t break these fucking bolts loose I’m not getting shit done
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 14:54
You don't have a breaker bar handy?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 21 2018 14:55
Oh I do
Problem is the bolts are rounding off
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 14:55
Oh
Oh boy
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 14:59
I'll hold out hope you don't have to mig-weld a bar to the bolt to break it off
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 21 2018 15:00
Yeahhhhh
This is turning into a “fuck this shit I’m going to pay someone else to do this”
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 15:01
at least it's not brake pullers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 21 2018 15:01
If my dad was home last night I would have done this with him and he might have had some brilliant ideas
Me... yeah no
Eh the only thing I’ve ever really had problems with doing brakes is putting fucking drums back together
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 15:02
@alphalas the used caddilac my dad bought the spline was so rusty on the wheel that it bent a 15-ton truck puller
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 21 2018 15:03
Holy fuckshit
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 15:03
yeah.... we took it back and the guy was like "What the actual fuck?"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 21 2018 15:03
Thankfully it looks like I should be able to do this without pulling the hub
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 15:04
wasn't even upset, had us bring the car and used a 50-ton himself for the original rental cost
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 21 2018 15:04
Except for the bolts being uncooperative
I’m glad it’s not my caprice; the hub is integral to the rotor on that
THAT would be a bitch
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 21 2018 15:09
that's how the caddilac was too
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 15:24
To quote the wisdom of Chief Engineer Scott: "The more they fancy up the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 21 2018 17:44
@CrusherJoe, is #3583 fixed?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 20:38
Erk.
I could've sworn I fixed that already
Lemme check
Yes...I mean...it is now
lol
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 21 2018 20:53
:) I'll do a release then
and done
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 21 2018 21:04
:shipit: