These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

27th
Sep 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 02:43
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Introducing...Joe's All-Purpose 40K Measuring Device
Includes 1", 2", 6", 9" and 12" measurements
Technically 3" as well LOL
"Why?" you ask.
Because I wanted one tool that would measure all those distances
And mainly, because I could.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 02:54
I'm going to make some improvements for v1.1 including a cut-out in the middle for a handle, and a tiny addition to make a 10" measurement
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 02:56
tbh surprised you didn't just use GW's knight one and make an extension with a pop-out combat gauge
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 02:56
...got a link for that?
Because that's not a bad idea
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:01
Yeah...that's only 6"
The idea is to have a 9" and 12" tool
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:01
yeah, just make an extension that fits onto that
if you design it right it can be the back half of it, and a 'case' for that and the combat gauge
that way you just slot the knight gauge into it when you need the full 12", keep it off when you don't
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:03
Hmmm...that's not a bad idea.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:04
make it in two parts with a small space between, and you could slip the knight gauge into it to make a compact carry case to stop the knight thing getting bent or dinged, and the same for one of the combat gauges they make
just use the space where the riser is to make a pocket, and then some kind of sleeve for it out of like a felt
instant multi-tool/carry case that does 12 and below and solves the main issue that the knight gauge always presented to me which was "how to stop thing getting bent by accident"
which is really the only reason I haven't bought one yet
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:08
I'll work on a version of that for next week.
If you have a visualization of what you have in mind (a drawing LOL) send it to me
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:09
I might fire up freecad and design the damn thing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:09
Are you familiar with Fusion 360?
You can get a free "maker" license for it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:09
is it edge based or solids-based
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:09
Yes.
Though it may be solids based...but it has more than one mode -- sheet metal and sculpting
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:13
yeah, it's solids based
edge or solids refers to how you define a shape, in edge-based stuff you define the entire edge of the three-dimensional entity, then it generates
solids uses plane-based sketching and then extrustion/removal
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:14
I've never used any kind of CAD software before, so I'm learning this all on my own
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:14
I'm used to solids-based
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:14
Ah, so Fusion 360 should be familiar territory for you then
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:14
I started learning solidworks back in '01 because my dad was an engineer, and he just sat me down at the weekends and taught me how to design stuff
then during HS I learned actual mechanical drawing (though I kind of breezed through that class because I was already so used to iso and other views)
freecad is a bit... basic
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:16
That's awesome
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:16
so it'll be nice to have something with a more intuitive feature set
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:16
My dad was one of the first draftsmen to transition over to AutoCAD -- back in the early 80s at AT&T
He can do exploded 3D isos by hand
It's...kinda badass
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:18
I was a TA of the machine shop in college, I used to spend the downtime overseeing the lab making 40k terrain for the gaming club and using the spare foam cutter downtime to shape it
abusing the haas like that was a big no-no though, so I never got to machine any 40k stuff
kind of a shame, it was a nice machine and they had a full set of plastic cutting bits
@CrusherJoe you'll want to look into zbrush as well
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:20
And Blender, too?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:20
its really a digital sculpting platform for 3D artists, but it CAN output solids to STL and a few other formats, so could be good for making organics
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:21
Those two are on my list of "things to be aware of and learn"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:21
blender is kinda useful if you want to make animations with your designs. photoshop can also import STL files if you want to make images using them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:21
What slicing software do you use?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:22
Cura
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:22
I'm using Cura but I'm giving serious consideration to acquiring Simplify3D
If for nothing else for the superior supports
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:23
eh, depends on machine settings and how complex of a thing you're trying to make
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:23
Cura's supports...even the experimental tree supports...kinda suck
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:23
as my dad says, the trick with 3D printing design is making the peice to be supportless/raft only
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:24
Oh agreed
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:24
to quote "90% of the tricks for 3D printing are int eh design itself, the other 10% is using the right wall thickness and material"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Sep 27 2018 03:24
But...there are many things (minis, etc.) that don't really do the whole no-supports thing
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 03:26
print in parts, print in different orientations, slice it apart like an injection-molded peice
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 27 2018 08:27
can't wait till I can upgrade to resin printer from my i3, some of the stuff you can get like shoulder pads and stuff for minis, just astounding..
and as for Fusion360, well I gave it a go as a beginner but it was just too powerful, I'm sticking to straight lines and Sketchup for now... it's like the MSPaint of CAD
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 27 2018 09:21
@Mad-Spy, are we good to ship the RT stuff?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 27 2018 09:24
yeah, no one complained about my implementation so I just went with it.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 27 2018 12:03
@WindstormSCR that sounds like one cool dad
I have done some AutoCAD and 3D CAD at uni, but I've lost the skills I had since I don't use it day-to-day
so I downloaded freeCAD to have a play with, but I've not got into acutally doing much with it yet!!
Holy...
Calling a 30k podcaster who’s trying to be helpful wankery? Holy fuck
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 27 2018 13:59
yeah, that's ngba.
bring the banhammer!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 27 2018 14:00
He’s the lead dev! That’s the shitty thing
@amis92
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 27 2018 14:15
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 27 2018 14:16
Mmmmhmm
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 27 2018 15:10
not cool
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 20:10
the entire heresy catalog is a mess, and no one wants to refactor it again using new tools we now have when they're clearly needed
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 27 2018 20:13
Truth
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Sep 27 2018 20:49
I've spoke with alpha and we agreed that once a fresh, usable set of datafiles for HH is produced, I'll make the cleanup (involving a change of lead dev...) and we can once and for good forget that disaster current dataset actually is.
How is it coming along?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 27 2018 20:52
Indeed - work stalled for now though between waiting for 2.02 and real life being crazy
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Sep 27 2018 20:53
do you have it on GitHub somewhere? can't find it from your profile.
Basics are started, but only just
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Sep 27 2018 20:55
Oh, that's it? By the name I thought it's some adaptation for 8th ed. I thought HH stayed in 7th.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 27 2018 20:56
Wait yes you’re right
Hmm
Oh yeah
That branch is what I was starting on
I probably can get back to working on it tonight a bit
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Sep 27 2018 21:04
Are you doing it alone, or do you have/need some help? Maybe there are interested people here or over on HH...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 27 2018 21:07
@WindstormSCR was the only one who was helping so far from here - and he was pointing out inheritance would be a massive help (whenever that is finally rolled out...)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 27 2018 22:14
I forgot how painful it is to talk to him :/
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Sep 27 2018 22:15
I'm completely out in terms of HH, but I'm eager to help in any way other than actual datafile creation. :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 27 2018 23:11
yeah, HH really needs 2.02 stuff to get off the ground, in order to reduce the file size a bit
the other thing it needs is a more rigid definition of "What goes where and how" in order to reduce the number of links and conditionals bloating the files
example while we LIKE to put most things as SSEs, in this case just making things on root cuts about 200k from the file
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Sep 27 2018 23:19
I really don't think the file size is that important. It's the memory footprint the file takes when loaded into app memory - and it doesn't correlate with file size that much. Many of those 200k lines are probably empty arrays (like <constraints/>). Those empty lines will be no more when 2.02 hits, and they sure as hell make no difference for the app right now.
However, a good point is that maybe until 2.02 hits you guys could work out the guidelines/framework.
Also, since it's a huge amount of work, I think you can already start building the files with 2.02 BETA.
It'll get published sooner than you finish HH I bet.