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28th
Sep 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 00:31
there is also the free time aspect, I don't have much at the moment, but that is set to change a little next month
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 28 2018 09:26
this has probably been discussed before, but Autarch wargear options - if you use the index datasheet, shouldn't you have to give up the star glaive?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 28 2018 09:31
IMO, yes. But you're right, it has been discussed before.
see #2409
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 28 2018 09:34
ah, probably should have searched issues. thanks
doesn't that mean that he shouldn't be able to take a pistol?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 28 2018 09:39
or does it mean he should always have a pistol? because you always have to have one in the Index...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 28 2018 11:04
No. You use coded datasheet with index war gear options.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 28 2018 11:08
the sticking point is whether the default wargear is part of that or not
'cause if it isnt, models that used to be legal are no longer legal, which doesnt feel right to me
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 28 2018 11:45
yeah, that would kinda suggest that people need to start modelling extra Star Glaives everywhere... does seem a little odd!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Sep 28 2018 14:38
thanks for sharing!!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 28 2018 15:02

Page 27 – Chaplain Dreadnought
Add the following ability to this datasheet:
‘Dreadnought Character: This model may not be given any relics.‘

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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 28 2018 15:03
Fly/flipbelts nerfed hard, good
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 28 2018 15:04
were they being abused for charging or something?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 28 2018 15:05
Yup
Because people would be 11” up but 2” laterally; fly/flip belts mean you only needed a 2” charge
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Sep 28 2018 15:06
So looks like Eldar / Ynarri make it through again without any significant nerfs, or am I missing something?
Meanwhile RIP GSC (until the codex), and Nids took a few rough ones, especially Flyrants.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 28 2018 15:08
vect got a love tap. other than that, theyre untouched
and what's up with flyrants?
oh and under beta rules, rangers deep strike instead of infiltrate
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 28 2018 15:12
and now we can't "Charge" over screens ... Fly is only movement phase now
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 28 2018 15:12
^^That's pretty major
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 28 2018 15:12
lots of Good stuff in here though ... but this and the Raven Guard SFTS .. and GSC Ambush . stuffs stuff up
tekton
@tekton
Sep 28 2018 15:13
after all their bluster about "use common sense, it applies in all phases" it's right back there for Fly...I find this ammusing
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Sep 28 2018 15:14
Flyrants can't deep strike on turn 1, and the nerf to pathogenic slime hits them.
Flyrants are a bit too fragile to deploy usually, so most players reserve them, but frequently bring them in on turn 1 into their own deployment zone to add some psychic / counter charge.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Sep 28 2018 15:15
what'd the slime do ?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 28 2018 15:15
T7, W12, Sv3+/4++ is too fragile?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Sep 28 2018 15:22
Slime gave a tyranid monster +1 damage in the shooting phase. It cost 2 CP. But the neat thing about it was, it was used "In the shooting phase" so you could wait until you saw how many wounds / failed saves you generated. Now you use it "At the start of the shooting phase". 2 CP is alot to spend on a weapon with no AP. Still good for exocrines, just not flyrants or carnifexes.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 28 2018 15:23
oh wow, that's sneaky when you're playing with fast dice
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Sep 28 2018 15:23
T7 W12, Sv3+/4++ aka a Castellan kills 2 per turn is a tad fragile for the modern meta.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 28 2018 15:24
ooh, Tactical Restraint is interesting.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Sep 28 2018 15:25
IF someone wants to slow dice me, I use it after they fail their 1st save, but realistically it doesnt' happen.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Sep 28 2018 15:25
no getting multiple CP back per turn, unless your Relic/Trait specifically allows it.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 17:18
@GenWilhelm the autarch thing is set up because of GW treating the "examples" as rules, see: comissar with power axe
so he keeps the pistol for now, but it is the first thing that would go if the position ever changed
I'm keeping an eye on that
@CrusherJoe thoughts on the impact of tactical restraint? I'm thinking it hurts elite armies way more than anything else
since the usual offernders (guard, skittles, etc) have such cheap battalions they give no fucks
I guess I won't be buying a BA dread to convert after all, since half the purpose was to have a better tome of the ectoclades carrier
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 28 2018 17:23
not sure i follow what you're saying about the commissar example
and the new CP rule feels very targeted towards the whole Grand Stratageist + Veritas Vitae + Kurov's Aquila style of army
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 17:29
the commissar example would also be illegal, yet the designers themselves fielded an axe commissar as part of an event IG list. Also the DC explicitly uses an autarch example that would not be legal otherwise
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Sep 28 2018 17:35
what about it would be illegal?
the commissar has the same wargear and options in the index as he does in the codex, except the weapons list has a couple more items
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 17:46
because the axe is in a wargear list that changed, not his options block
the problem is that elite armies relied on the refunds heavily because thier stratagems are still high cost but with a significantly lower pool. See: deathwatch
while guard armies can just take two battalions or brigade and batt and not care too much
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 17:54
the new reserves rules does give GK another deep dicking with no lube, they really just need to revisit that book entirely
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 28 2018 18:00
Welcome to the joy of being a first wave codex :(
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 28 2018 18:05
I confused
It's been 2 hours
why are there no issues raised
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 18:26
because the amount of actual BS-worthy changes is damn tiny
most are to stuff we don't touch, like strats
no IA changes for marines since the only one is a change to what can carry relics, etc
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 28 2018 18:39
Scions has a minor change
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 19:57
really not sure how I feel about the "no turn 1 reserves" rule
makes certain assault-oriented armies that rely on it much much weaker
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 28 2018 20:04
Where if you deploy turn 1 it has to be in your zone?
I'm a fan - I have ranged armies, I hate being locked up with nary a thing to do against it.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 20:06
it makes high AP pure ranged gunline the absolute best option
which is something they were trying to reverse for over a year
tekton
@tekton
Sep 28 2018 20:07
@tag8833 dd you catch the frontline stream on the faq?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 28 2018 20:07
It's never going to be a balanced option.
Assault armies can at least move up the field behind cover or in transports.
You can't defend against turn 1 deep strikes.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 20:08
its making me actually look at the repulsor for my deathwatch, I feel unclean
tekton
@tekton
Sep 28 2018 20:08
repulsors are fun!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 20:08
and you sort of can, that's what caff are for
tekton
@tekton
Sep 28 2018 20:08
...use the dice app if you do use one :P
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 20:09
the nerf to strike from the shadows/forward operatives/stygies is just retarded
all the flavor for RG is pretty much fucking gone
glad I ditched them for DW for the most part
tekton
@tekton
Sep 28 2018 20:15
i have smurfs, but they're all "slowly" changing to DW at this point anyway
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 28 2018 21:35
Well GDI. Now I have to mark up my beautiful IK datacards
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 28 2018 21:44
This entire FAQ effects me not. Except for wraiths I suppose, but oh well.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 21:48
at least it helps me figure out my next project easy enough
any thoughts on which faction would be best to run a 'counts as' =][= killteam using necro gangers? (mostly van saar)
ordo xenos
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Sep 28 2018 21:55
Xenos have done nothing wrong!
Don't hate on xenos.
Go hunt the chaos people :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 28 2018 22:15
sigh why did I think driving into Baltimore at 630 was a good idea?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Sep 28 2018 22:28
I don't know
If I wasn't sick I'd offer to meet you somewhere
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Sep 28 2018 22:29
Appreciate the offer - I’m driving down to help run a booth at BMore CC
So I mean at least I’m getting paid
But holy crap