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12th
Oct 2018
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 12 2018 00:13
Wow, I never considered other parts of the world had exclusive shit ...
I just thought I had crap since I was in Iowa
And thanks for gifts - when I go on a walk tomorrow at work I'll stock up a bit to return the favor :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 01:03
@Kohato Believe it or not Tauros and ilumese are North America exclusive
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 12 2018 02:30
So o can really be like ash and catch a herd of them.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 09:13
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 09:33
Angels of absolution; still heretics lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 09:33
how? Calling those guys heretics is quite impressive xD
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 09:34
All DA are heretics, foundings or not ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 09:35
but... do you even... the AoA are.... I can't...
btw did I link the astartes short clips I found a few weeks ago?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 09:36
Aren’t they the ones who don’t hunt the fallen?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 09:36
yep, they went like "fuck it, we consider ourselves forgiven" and therefore dont do any of the secrecy and fuck ups the other chapters do
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 09:47
Oh I was wrong
That’s an Angel of Vengeance
So totally heretic
AoA have bone armor
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 09:52
whoopsiedaisy, but I thought them AoA as well... do your research, kids!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 09:54
Yup - I’ll admit it’s been a very long time since I seriously was interested in DA fluff (Beyond they’re all heretics™️) so it’s understandable
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 09:54
your feeble attempts at triggering me are mostly ineffective! :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 09:55
Lol good, because I’m barely trying :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 09:56
still wanna purge tho. *mumble mumble
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 09:57
So do I, but for different reasons ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 09:57
dont make me dig into my 40k meme folder! ;)
So good
I love MG’s art - was sad when GW moved away from his artwork style
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 10:56
clearer than blanche and still quite intricate
yeah I liked it as well
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 10:58
Unpopular opinion: I actively dislike blanche’s art
He’s a genius of design and I understand why his style is so iconic in 40K; I just don’t like it.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Oct 12 2018 12:57
@alphalas Reasonable. It's a very polarizing style. It is more of a sketch-book style... throwing down ideas as they cross the boundaries between the mind and reality. Something that I'd expect to see in a notebook, around the edges of pages crawling out of the recesses of someone's mind.
I do say that I like his use of color, and the organic nature of his miniatures conversions. (Along with the stories behind them.)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 13:30
I dont like it either. It's just too... wild, unfocused, doodley for my tastes...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 13:37
@OftKilted I can agree about color and his conversions yes.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 13:37
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbjpQ0HujNE OA has a valid point.. I find myself constantly in the "not good enough! Need better!" crowd.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 13:39
Yeahhhhh
My local 30k group that just restarted is definitely in the cult of “git good scrub” when it comes to hobby stuff
But I think that’s also influenced by podcasts like RFI that push the “Full painted is for closers” mentality where if you’re not putting out near golden daemon quality stuff you’re having less fun and killing your opponent’s buzz and all that
But I think that also ties into resin elitism too - which is another thing that seems to be a uniquely 30k problem
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 13:46

kind of understandable tho (if resin elitism is what I think it is)
That stuff is EXPENSIVE and sneezing paint at it and calling it done is like having a dirty ferrari... why get it in the first place when you dont take care of it?

But I really need to sit back, look at my stuff objectively and go "yeah. Cmon. Not much highlighting because you HATE doing that, but its neat, orderly, has zeintal and it looks juuuuuuust fine"
And then my inner troll comes out, checks out stuff others put out and tries to shame me for not doing triple oil wet blending edge highlights!

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 13:51
@Thairne resin elitism is stupid bullshit; like resin elitists frown on using plastic mkivs or mkiiis instead of resin, using a 40k land speeder instead of 30k, 40k bikes instead of outriders, mars pattern rhinos instead of Deimos... that’s resin elitism
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Oct 12 2018 13:52
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@Thairne I'm not entirely sure about that dirty Ferrari comment ...
tekton
@tekton
Oct 12 2018 13:52
Funny California aside: even living in a cheaper part of Orange County there’s three people in my neighborhood that own Ferrari’s- skimp on house, splurge on vehicles
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 13:52

oh. Ok.
Well using plastics of the same fucking model instead of resin is totes fine.
Seeing 40k rhinos in a 30k game would go against my sensualities tho... its just a different model <.<

@OftKilted why? Just the first metaphor that came into my mind :P

OftKilted
@OftKilted
Oct 12 2018 13:53
If your rally car is clean by the end of the event ... you're probably doing it wrong.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 13:53
I mean I wouldnt shame anyone for it, but personally... Id go full daimos because consistancy and I'm a sucker for that
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Oct 12 2018 13:53
But yeah ... resin elitism is really a thing.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 13:53
@Thairne why tho? Mars pattern rhinos were just as prevalent as Deimos in the heresy fluff
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 13:53
lets say street ferrari? the red, 2cm to road type?
where they?
I didnt know that, figured the mars pattern came later
in that case - nope, mars is fine.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 13:54
Same as the 2c Phobos LR and the mars pattern Phobos
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Oct 12 2018 13:54
(but I'm being difficult.)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 13:55
@Thairne yeah FW intentionally has made it so you don’t need to have the pretty resin stuff
But they want you to have the pretty resin stuff lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 13:56
if mars werent there, it would feel like a proxy. A very, very acceptable proxy, but still not the real shit. personally, I'd still go for mars because of painting time, otherwise I'd go full deimos because reasons to get a new model, distinguish armys... but I do have the cash or shit like that
*for shit
so I'd totally fall for the marketing ploy :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 13:57
Lol fair
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 13:57
albeit I hate resin.
oh.
I'd be so torn xD
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 13:58
I’ve been snapping up second-hand recast Deimos so now all my non-SoS/SoB rhino chassis are Deimos
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 13:58
*gasp
HERESY OF THE WORST KIND!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 13:58
Then again most of my SoB rhino chassis are repressors so there’s that lol
Lol which part, recast or second-hand? Lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 13:59
*chokes on heresy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 14:02
@OftKilted have you noticed resin elitists tend to be oddly hypocritical though? They tend to care not the source of the resin, but only that it’s resin I’ve noticed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:02
thats even more stupid.....
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 14:02
Yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:08
so its not exclusivity by cost, but "true gamers use resin because its a pain to work with"?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:15
Late to this party, but here's the original NYT article UA based the video on: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/opinion/sunday/in-praise-of-mediocrity.html
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 14:16
@Thairne or “true gamers use resin because that’s what the game’s meant to be played with”. Yeah. It’s retarded
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:18
I could only fall in line with that because "the lore said so!"
I like to be accurate (even if I cant, skillwise). But in this, I'm with you pointing fingers and laughing at resin elitists.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 14:19
Case in point: Radio Free Istvaan, the main podcast I’ve heard espouse this crap, literally has stopped covering 30k all together; because of the FW price increases when FW localized
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:19
The only place my group and I get a little "elite-y" is when it comes to what you play with during events.
Two real rules, really:
Use the right damned model or a very well done conversion
and
PAINT YOUR SHIT
I mean we don't harass others about it, but when we hit the tables our shit is fully painted
Notice I didn't say "Golden Daemon Quality", but all your shit needs to be painted for an event...no excuses.
My own personal painting criteria is "Don't Get Laughed Off The Tabletop"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:21
I get a nervous twitch in the eye when I have to fight grey, primed or 3 colour models.
I try to get my stuff to look like its supposed to look.
I had to fight a torso-less defiler for close to 2 years because the magnets were to weak and he didnt replace them. I teased him constantly with jokes, bit internally, the FLAMES WERE FURIOUS AND HOT!
Oh and the Chaos Marine bikes without riders. Years. Literally.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:21
...
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Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:22
I get it. You dont like to paint. But, my dude... at least... try....
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:22
I have to constantly remind people that there's a hobby aspect to this hobby
I mean...proxy/counts-as is okay for list testing/tuning
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:23
why tho... the hobby part is actually more important to me than the gaming part...
tbf, he mostly switched over to x-wing.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:23
But for an event? Fully painted right models or GTFO
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:23
absolutely
its basic decency
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:24
I'm a busy guy
Job. Kid. Life. Etc.
I'm a network engineer/CTO ffs
Loooong hours are a hallmark of my profession
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:25
doing it wrong then :P software dev, contractually 40h/week. I mostly do 35h/week and rarely work 5h a day :D
(dont tell anyone!)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:26
And yet -- when I decided to find an analog hobby (because my life had devolved into "working with computers then coming home to playing games on computers") I found my joy increasing the more painting and hobby-ing I did
Also that was then @Thairne
I work from home and VERY RARELY do I work a full day
And when I have a hobby project in progress (which I do...I always do...) I can take a break from work and hobby
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:27
/signed on the painting and hobbying thing. I really got "distracted" by the easy way out, youtube, series and games... I really need to get my hands to do something for once...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:28
Oh yeah I feel you on that
I find myself watching 'tubes vids about hobby-ing instead of actually hobby-ing
When I catch myself doing that I try to pick up a brush and get to painting
I also go to extremes sometimes -- it's a part of my psychological make up so I have to be aware
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:30
ya know, just chatting about painting and with you guys has given me the impulse just to do it again
nostalgia at its finest
Oh I so feel that :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:31
Like...right now, for example...I'm looking at 94 v6 Diaz Daemonettes, 4 daemon princes...Seekers...Fiends...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:31
94
no words are necessary xD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:32
Well the list name was originally "Nothing But 'Nettes"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:32
I see.. but you had to know what youre getting yourself into
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:32
But that's not even a legal army so now it's "(almost) Nothing But 'Nettes"
Oh I totally did
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:33
*insert reynolds gif
But why?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:33
So...no easy answer, but:
I feel like I've reached a plateau with my painting because I can crank out tanks, knights, guardsmen, marines, etc.
Again: not GD quality or anything like that, but I can paint me some armor and make it look decent
I wanted a project that would push me to get better painting organic things
Also: I :heart: me some Diaz daemonettes
And, I've always joked that when I fell to Chaos, it would be to Slaanesh (to thine own self be true and all that lol)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:35
valid reason,then
tbh slaneesh is pretty much the only chaos god that could actually grab more than a few people
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:36
Also I've got a Max Cheese GT Army
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:36
maybe some scientists go to slaneesh, the autistic types
maybe some really angry dudes go to khorne
maybe some cancer patients go to Nurgle
but 99% of humanity would feed Slaneesh
*scientists go to tzeentch
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:36
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Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:37
oh dude. Trust me. I have enough chicks with issues. Literally ALL of them.
All girls are bi. sexual or polar, that is the question.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:38
At one time in my life there were 4 important-to-me women. All four were also bi-polar and bi-sexual.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:38
told ya :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:38
I'm a Crazy Girl Connoisseur
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:39
try to find one without mental issues, I dare you.
I havent met one in the last 15 years the least.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:39
One of these days I'll tell you the story of my baby momma <--- do not like that phrase, ugh
Her crazy is weapons-grade
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:40
Eversor Madness.jpg
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:40
I can sum it up
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:40
eversor-level?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:41
To quote from her psychological evaluation: "Ms. Boyd suffers from a complex constellation of psychological issues that affect every area of her functioning."
I want you to read that a couple of times and let that sink in
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:41
holy Emperor..
you sure you didnt get an ACTUAL chaos worshipper there?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:42
I mean
To be fair, at the time I was kneeling at the Altar of Slaanesh on the daily, soooooo
(metaphorically, you understand)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:43
yes. Yes. I do. And I wish I didnt :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:44
Oh! One more excellent reason for making a Slaanesh army
I have a shirt (that I designed and my gf made for me)
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I think I'm going to make some kind of digital scoreboard with a counter that increments by 1 for every model this army kills with the title, "ELDAR SOULS SENT TO SHE WHO THIRSTS"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 14:55
SOULS FOR THE SOUL CUP! SHE WHO THIRSTS MUST DRINK DEEPLY ON ELF SOULS!
You know...things like that
(yes, I know I'm quite bonkers)
(hopefully in the fun way)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 14:55
destroying xenos? I'm all in!
Can we crush-kick their soulstones, daddy?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 15:00
Only after we've drained out the tasty, tasty Soul Cola :tm: inside
Soul Cola? Soul Juice? hmm
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 15:00

Working with Chaos
To eradicate Eldar

that's heresy of the good kind!

Coca Soula
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 15:00
PERFECT
Love it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 15:00
xD
is Pepsi ok?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 15:04
Oh speaking of cola
@Thairne
I had to explain schokakola to someone the other day
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 15:06
whats so difficult to grasp about that?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 15:06
Pretty much I settled on “it’s the WWII RIP-IT for the chocolate-crazy Germans
The whole “heavily caffeinated chocolate” part lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 15:08
Coca Soula.png
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 15:08
I think I like soula cola better
Wait
I just realized most of this chat probably doesn’t know what rip-it’s are
Fuck
Imagine if you will, the worst tasting energy drink you’ve ever tasted; which tastes so bad because it’s chock full of “energy blend” bullshit but hardly any flavor
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 15:14
Now imagine that this energy drink comes in 6oz cans, and somehow the company that makes it got a defense contract.
So there are literally giant crates of this shit in theater, at every army FoB and main base
And soldiers drink this shit by the gallon
Not because it’s good
But because it works
Hence the analogy
Now the ironic fact
You can’t buy it stateside except for at a certain chain of dollar stores
Let that sink in
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 15:27
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Oct 12 2018 15:28
melt a 200g bar of chocolate, mix in 4-6 teaspoons of instant coffee, leave to cool, nom nom
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 12 2018 15:33
That sounds delicious, actaully
And that link was special for @alphalas
Because I know he loves it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 15:50
One day Beddoe, one day lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 12 2018 16:04
ah. military otaku guys are the best :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 16:44
As long as they’re not wehraboos
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 12 2018 17:12
Resin elitism is the weirdest shit ever
"Use Deimos because its lore accurate!" "Mars patts were explicitly around!" "Uhh... just use deimos dude!"
one of the several reasons I no longer have a heresy army
speaking of which
anyone interested in some raven guard stuff?
Mor deythans, a few assorted heavy weapons, couple other odds and ends
MDs are magged with flamers or snipers, and easy to add other guns to
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Oct 12 2018 17:17
@WindstormSCR And that's why we should all just go PDF ... stuff this fancy power armor.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 12 2018 17:18
PA is fine
deathwatch are still fun
30k is just dead because of assholes and poor FW decisions and I will not mourn it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Oct 12 2018 17:18
No nasty Xenos infiltrators or Chaos in the PDF.
adjusts halo
Yeah ...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 17:19
@WindstormSCR if you ever fix your Facebook let me know; I got a couple guys on Facebook who might be interested in buying stuff.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Oct 12 2018 17:19
though ... that being said ... the nicest painted armies at NOVA were a bunch of the stuff over on the 30K tables.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 17:19
@OftKilted agreed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 12 2018 18:21
I work on a base.
I know full well what Rip-It is.
They started stocking it at our local grocery too.
Also: https://i.imgur.com/rd0QL1O.gifv ... At some point you have to look at your company and what you're doing, and say to yourself: "We're going to cause a robot uprising if we go any further"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 18:37
I’m almost disappointed they didn’t try to knock it over
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 12 2018 18:37
Boston Dynamics will single handedly teach robots to hate humans.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 12 2018 18:38
Yup that’s what I was referring to lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 12 2018 18:39
The tech they're developing though has some real promise to completely remove wheelchairs
imagine the bot from gif #1 but as an exo-frame for the disabled below the waist
suddenly they are mobile again
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 12 2018 18:41
Oh for sure. I love every time there's progress.
I fully expect something like that wearable in the next decade from them.