These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

16th
Oct 2018
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Oct 16 2018 09:37
if you have an epub version of the codex you can look in there and see if one matches, probably the stratagem one, i'm guessing they re-use fonts
epubs are just xml so you can tear them apart and look at what they are referencing in the style sheets
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 16 2018 09:57
epub uses MinionPro, and it looks like it's the same as the cards
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 15:13
awesome, thanks :D
Also - the discussion about robot death machines built by Boston Dynamics?
It knows how to dance now.
We're all going to die.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 16 2018 15:15
that is quite possibly the most awesome thing I've ever seen
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 15:16
It fucking twerks.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Oct 16 2018 15:57

Hey @/all!

It is an important day for me, and I'd like to share with you, since you're my closest community:

amis92 @amis92 is now a Master of Science!
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Oct 16 2018 15:57
🏅🏅🏅
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 16 2018 15:58
aww yeah.jpg
Congratulations, my man! That is truly awesome
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Oct 16 2018 15:59
Thank you. That's how it feels, too!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 16 2018 16:03
nice one, dude. way to go @amis92 :smile:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 16 2018 17:05
@Kohato It actually "looks" back at the camery while doing it! FFS! :D
@amis92 Eff yeah, you go girl!!!
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Oct 16 2018 17:20
😎😎😎 Thanks!
sigh
While it warms my heart the community is so use to BS now that AB is a foreign concept; everyone should be aware this is a thing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 16 2018 17:46
yech
your goodness is giving me the rash! *scratch scratch :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 16 2018 17:47
Oh trust me
That was the heavily redacted version of what I was going to say
But I wanted to make it clear if anyone is “pushing people away”; it’s not us BS data devs
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 16 2018 17:49
tbh I would've sat back and stuffed my face with popcorn...
(and silently cheer at the 40$-is-ridiculous-guys)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 16 2018 18:00
aaaand he's a dick. Who'd've guessed.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 18:00
Dunno who Zach is but he should calm his tits.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 16 2018 18:04
Zack’s a friend of @CrusherJoe and I’s; he’s a little intense lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 18:04
nvm it's a bitch to read shit on flickr mobile
I thought it was him going back and forth
he said one thing - I'm sorry to him
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 16 2018 18:05
OP’s buddy comes in, tries to roll it back and make it all about how much we devs are shat on
Classy
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 18:05
oh wow
I do like how he thinks whatever he's building isn't in that wonderful area we all write in
because he just has stat #s
Dean I mean.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 16 2018 18:09
Mmmmhm
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Oct 16 2018 18:35
Do we have someone here with AB data development experience?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 16 2018 18:36
I don’t think so?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 18:38
Never even looked at it.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 16 2018 18:42
Looked at it a loooong time ago before I knew BS existed. Was paying and got a lifetime licence when they shut down development and everything.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Oct 16 2018 18:44
Well, if the format is not binary, I could probably write some adapter/transpiler that could create AB files from BS catalogues...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 18:45
If it's XML I don't see why it wouldn't work
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 16 2018 19:05
but... why?
Another reason: synchronize our efforts so that creating BattleScribe files also allows immediate publication of AB files. This would probably win over AB data authors to do BS files, thus leaving AB as second-thought system.
Net result: we have more data authors, BS gains even more dominant position.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 16 2018 19:15
All that is well and good until you remember AB's output is...well...superior.
Evidently there are only 2 guys doing 40K datafile dev work on AB now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 19:16
I mean ... on PC
Is it superior on the mobile app?
badum tiss
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 16 2018 19:16
Considering there isn't one...yes? :)
That's not really a fair comparison though
I wish I had some old AB army lists to show you what I mean. AB excelled in exactly ONE thing: efficient use of space. Oh, and actual grids for stats.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 19:19
All of that could be accomplished with XML output customization really - isn't someone doing that for KT?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 16 2018 19:21
Oh god that FB thread is a train wreck lol
I’m on my way to work or else I’d be offering up more screenshots
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 16 2018 19:22
yeah someone is, and it's good
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 16 2018 19:22
Curse you gitter and not supporting attachments on mobile
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 19:22
Right? Like wtf
it's a well done app for gitter
but no attaching pic files
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 16 2018 19:34
I am sorely tempted to pull DaeronAlagos KT xslts into the KT repo, but I'm not sure how well it will play with the mobile version.
tekton
@tekton
Oct 16 2018 20:04
@amis92 congrats! I know I’m a little late, but that’s an awesome achievement
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Oct 16 2018 20:08
Thanks!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 16 2018 20:43
I wish I knew enough about data translation to actually do what the KT "datacard formatter" does to 40K
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 16 2018 20:47
It would be a considerable task to build one for 40k, because the data is much less structured than KT. We have all built our KT catalogues pretty much the same way. The 40k cats have many quirks depending on who implemented them and when.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 16 2018 20:49
The beauty of homogenization
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 16 2018 21:25
Well, we have a chance to address it when we rework for 2.02 and build libraries.
And tbh, I haven't looked at the 40k output so it might be easier than expected...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 16 2018 21:51
hmm, you know. It might not be as bad as I thought... Some catalogues might need some tidying up, but the output by just dumping a 40k roster into the KT XSL isn't all that bad...
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OftKilted
@OftKilted
Oct 16 2018 21:53
@amis92 Congrats on mastering science :+1:
@amis92 The reason that AB was “horrible” back in the day was that the only solution for creating army lists was to do it on a computer. Their app on iOS/Android was entirely a viewer app. And their support on non-windows platforms was awful.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 16 2018 22:12
@amis92 yes, I have actually done some dev work for AB back in 7th but strictly for creating my own custom scenario units, and it is a painful and messy process that is as opaque as a brick wall (the same could be said for most of LWD's products, with the exception of realm works)
Considering the file structure is radically different, porting would be pretty much impossible, so better to just work on a XMLreader/Output viewer for BS that is better
That was pretty much the only reason I used AB back in 7th when there was file parity, pretty much strictly because the print output was easier to customize and work with