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19th
Oct 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 02:36
Either
Both, really
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 19 2018 06:22
On a completely different note, what are the best heavy support options if you want a Deathwatch Brigade...?? Choose three from hellblasters and the Land Raiders doesn't seem too groovy
Or, is it better to simply go for two battalions - and ignore the 2 CP difference?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 19 2018 09:27
Deathwatch Brigade
never thought I'd see the day
hellblasters are pretty good, though you do pay a tiny tax for SIA on their pistols
and land raiders are, unfortunately, way overpriced. and that's before you're trying to squeeze them into a brigade
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 19 2018 13:29
Well, I was simply looking at the models I have and wondering if I can get a Brigade... Turns out I can't because I don't have 3 heavy support options... But I do have enough for two battalions, and that's only 2 CP difference :smile:
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe chuckles in Cadian.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 19 2018 13:34
Pipe down in the cheap seats! :tongue:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 13:34
And in this case you mean that literally!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 19 2018 13:35
/me chuckles in BA
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 13:35
Man I really wish they would fix the Land Raider
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 19 2018 13:35
Nobody wants to know how many detachments I can run of BA at one time.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 13:35
They priced it in the stratosphere and wonder why it's not used
Oh
Dude
I could -- if I so desired - put 2 full brigades of Cadians on the tabletop (fully painted, too) and have several models left over
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 13:43
But I'm not normal LOL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 19 2018 13:45
laughs in blood angels again
Only 2 brigades? Pshaw
I can probably pull off 4 brigades and 2 of each FOC-focused detachments (spearhead, vanguard, etc) of straight BA
But we also know I have a problem lol
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe high-fives @alphalas
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 13:47
Yes my brother, we do. But you're in good company.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 19 2018 13:48
3 decently okay guns, not particularly impressive durability, and supposedly a transport (despite being slow for a vehicle). all for the low low price of about the same as a gallant
order yours today!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 19 2018 14:00
to answer your question, Simon, i would rather lose the 2 CP and have much more flexibility in the FOC, rather than spending ~500pts on units that i wasnt really planning on bringing
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 16:04
grimdark-oct.PNG
So this is some filth I'm planning on taking to an RTT tomorrow
Thoughts?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 19 2018 16:08
eww, commissars
i like everything except for your elites and FA
but i guess you're going for cheap as possible with those, rather than units of worth
oh, and also the wyvern. i prefer mortar teams :smile:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 19 2018 16:20
if i were playing, i would prefer something along the lines of
- wyvern
- 2x commissar
+ 2x heavy weapons squad (3x mortar)
+ 2x astropath
if my maths is right, that leaves you with 11pts to spare
so you could replace those gods awful multilasers for something that might do some damage, like autocannons
tekton
@tekton
Oct 19 2018 17:17
I miss land raiders being on the table more often than never
WindstormSCR @WindstormSCR joins the @alphalas and @CrusherJoe high-five with his entire watch-fortress
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 19 2018 18:35
Surprisingly enough I actually use my land raider nearly every game, purely because veterans with terminators attached can't fit in anything else except a storm eagle
and I'm considering getting a second hull, to make three
(regular, regular, achilles)
I'm hoping they get a points drop in CA this year, because they are overpriced, but the crusader does enough work to be a worthy inclusion even at it's current points in DW lists
though given my choice I'd still rather stick the squads in rhinos if terminators could fit
or terrax drills
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 20:49
grimdark-oct2.PNG
So....I don't have enough mortars
So this is what we got
Now I'm 15 points short
Suggestions?
I put autocannons on the Sents
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 19 2018 21:11
melta on the helverin or a tophat for the gallant?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 19 2018 21:35
wellll that was my first game in 8th this year. Frustrating experience.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 19 2018 21:35
ouch
what happened?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 19 2018 21:36
9:13 loss, nearly tabled in turn 4
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 19 2018 21:38
sounds about right for a game of 8th tbh
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 19 2018 21:38
lessons learned:
cawl is nice, but too expensive for 1250
Neutronagers are chroncally unreliable, I need more than one
Skitarii suck at everything they do, even being chaff
dakkabots are nice, but need a datasmith lest they drain your CP quick
Obliterators are bitches, as are demon princes
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 19 2018 21:38
at least it was somewhat close
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 19 2018 21:39
well end of turn 2 I could already tell the game was lost
rest was clenching butcheeks and give the op a good game
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 21:54
Yeah AdMech struggles under 2000 points because it really, REALLY needs Cawl
And Datasmiths
And Dakkbots
And Dragoons
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 19 2018 21:55
the dragoons were... less stellar for me. Both were wiped out with 2 hits at D3 each from demon princes.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 21:55
Oh
Well
Yeah
Daemon Princes are nasty
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 19 2018 21:57
lemme try and remember.. 2 DPs, a pack of noise marines, a heldrake and a defiler, 2 squads of cultists, 3 Obliterators... thats about it
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 19 2018 21:58
....
Yeah that'll do it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 19 2018 21:59
and a very objective based game, spoils of war... couldnt stop him from basically romping up the table
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 19 2018 22:06
changing a mortar out for a lascannon is +15pts :smile:
also, ditching the stave on the astropath gives you a few extra points, which might be useful
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 19 2018 22:11
@tekton, an entire watch fortress is 5 companies x 4 kill teams x 10 dudes per team = 200 dudes... Plus extra armour and flyers and so on - got any photos??
Also, I just lost 7:8 VP's because my dreadnought couldn't kill one more necron to deny my opponent an objective... It was a close but fun game, so that's all groovy 😃
tekton
@tekton
Oct 19 2018 23:09
@FarseerVeraenthis you may have been thinking of @WindstormSCR and his awesome Deathwatch?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 19 2018 23:11
Could've told you cawl was bad at 1250 :p And yea skitarri are ... wet paper chaff, but snipers are still nice. And oblits are just mean, there's no way around it.
2000pts + an IK with cawl make Admech pretty nice.