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30th
Oct 2018
Holy shit did that actually work?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 00:44
i mean
kind of
in a link to a site to download a photo to open the photo to look at it kind of way
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 00:44
...oh
Damn
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 00:45
Sorry, Gitter is too dumb for your smart solutions.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 00:45
So does not replace Flickr. Fuck.
Kay
Fucking gitter
IMG_2657.PNG
list for a 300pl Open play game i’m going to do here in the next month or so
i’ll be facing off against 21 Russes, 6 sentinels, and other sundry guard nonsense
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 00:47
300pl
oof
that'll be a nice long game
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 00:48
well i mean it’s all tanks basically
so after t3 it’ll basically be over
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 00:49
T3 being 2 hours after the start of the game
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 00:49
Well yes, probably
i probably should take a picture of my list
like as in the physical models
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 01:20
IMG_2658.JPG
that’s just the tanks
Lots of old WIP in there though
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 01:24
how are you finding the vindicator laser in 40k?
I'm considering one for my heavy support section
mostly because of the static damage values and it looks neat
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 01:27
Honestly haven’t really tried it yet
This game will be it’s trial by fire
But tbh I swap out the lasdes on the fellblade and spartan for quadlas
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 01:29
well, the mode I'm most interested in is the regular volley fire shooting twice
it mathhammers well in that aspect
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 01:34
Yeah I mean that does basically give it a short range quadlas
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 01:35
I'm just sad the marine superheavies are still overcosted to hell
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 01:37
But on average that’s still only 6 damage to a Russ though
Actually slightly less
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 01:38
6 +/= 3, if you can give it rerolls and a +1 from a rhino primaris or something the 2 shot stronger mode is actually better
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 01:39
Yeah average with no buffs is 4.44 damage
That’s... not great antitank
I love how the rhino primaris is basically a Damocles, but better
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 01:44
tbh you could use the damocles model as one and no one would bat an eye
I know which of the two I like better
appearance-wise
tbh I'm probably just going to use a damocles and/or 3D print some conversion bits
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 01:50
I scratbuilt a Damocles lol
But that was for 30k
And then I realized it still didn’t really help me anyway
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 01:51
the reason I like the rhino prim is because the +1 to hit offsets the heavy movement penalty nicely
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 01:52
and I need an HQ tax for a spearhead anyway, might as well be something that can repair/buff and orbital strike
looks pretty good tbh
just some paint and you're in the business
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 01:52
Whirlwind mount, corrugated sheet styrene, and z bar
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 01:52
try using it as a rhino prim for your anti-tank fest if you can
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 01:52
Oh it’s painted now
I just didn’t have it painted in any pics lol
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 01:53
buff that vindi laser des and use it's 2 shot mode on russes and watch them go pop
bang, 2+ rr 1s, no save, take 12 damage
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 01:56
@WindstormSCR even hitting on 2s that’s still only +/- 6 damage though
If it were rapiers I might agree with you
I’m just still not sure about lasdes vindis
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 01:59
you're pretty much guarnteed to hit with 2s rr 1s
-5 means no save for the russ
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 02:00
-3
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:00
so 6 and 6, 55.4% chance to oneshot
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Oct 30 2018 02:00
I played against a Tzzeench army that had a pair of Vindi laser destroyers as backfield power support. They did work against my carnifexen.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:00
didn't they faq the overcharge mode to -5?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 02:01
Overcharge is -5
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:01
@alphalas I'm talking 2 shot overcharge fire
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 02:01
Volley is -3
Ah ok I thought we were still on double volley
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:01
6% chance to do nothing, 55.4% chance to nuke a russ in one turn with the primaris rhino buff
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 02:03
Were are you getting the rr1 from?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:07
a captain or somesuch
aura so its probably buffing other things too
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 02:09
Hmm k
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:12
olr even just a CP
its two dice
so rerolling a single one should be all you need if you need it at all
@alphalas, serious talk. mastodon: overcosted to hell or actually usable even at 1040?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:19
anyone else feel free to chime in with opinion
40 carry cap: can carry anything but primaris, dreads are 10
T9 30w, 2+/5++, 5++ degrades to 6++ at half but works even against mortals
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 02:36
Honestly overcosted
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:37
maybe, I'm still considering one
just because I could cram a lot of vets in there
standard team I use is 7 guys, could easily fit 4-5 teams with room to spare
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 02:38
Fair
But they underperformed at 7e cost
I don’t see them fairing much better at the 8e deterrence costs
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:40
I'm currently running the numbers vs castellan and shadowsword fire
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 02:40
The average is what, 1pl per 20pts?
That means that it really should be 200pts cheaper
Spartan ironically is spot-on I think
Fellblade is about 200pts too much too
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:43
we can hope they reduce it slightly in this year's CA
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 02:43
Doubt it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:43
same but still
and actually
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Oct 30 2018 02:44
Last year’s CA is what drove them up
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 02:44
a castellan puts an average of 3-5 wounds, more than that being mostly outliers
on a 30w tank
with all its guns
Scorpion actually hurts it, but not to over half, so still full profile even after a scorpion guide/doom shot
might be cool
a lot of that is down to the 5++ though, and being T9
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 09:39
@WindstormSCR it's nice to hear / see that someone else is thinking along similar lines to me. Although, only from the point of view of I think DW, Ad Mech, and DA, are cool armies and might work well together :smile:
Ad Mech for snipers, DA for backfield gunline anti-tank, and DW for "everything else"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 09:58
I'm thinking DA Devs and Hellblasters with a lieutenant babysitter and Grim Resolve would be pretty nasty
that's like a "free" captain
plus, split fire mean you can shoot whatever needs shooting :-)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 30 2018 12:23
dont forget the DA plasma stratagem
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 13:18
well, that too, goes without saying :-)
heavy plasma incinerators or standard for a hellblaster castle??
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Oct 30 2018 14:18
Do we have a best practices for how to mark a piece of wargear as an index option?
Like the Burna spanna can no longer select a slugga, or Kombi weapon, but still has the other selections. So should I present it like:
Kustom Mega Slugga
Rokkit Launcha
Slugga (Index)
Kombi Skorcha (Index)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 30 2018 14:19
for just wargear, leave it as is. my catalogues have book references on everything, so you can easily see if something is from the codex or the index
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Oct 30 2018 14:20
OK. yeah, because slugga is a shared selection entry, and it would be annoying to have to have 2 of those just because it is an index only option.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 14:41
well.... you'll still need two if you want different book references
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Oct 30 2018 14:46
fair point
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 30 2018 14:47
yeah, was thinking about that. if it has rules in the codex, you use codex rules, regardless of how you get to it
so it would still be a reference to the codex armoury
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 15:05
yeah, I mean, it's not like there have been any Codex-ONLY tournaments yet... have there??
so, perhaps being too strict with the flagging isn't really necessary...?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 15:10
having said that, you could put a modifier on the name - if parent instance of Burna spanna set name to Slugga (Index)
???
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Oct 30 2018 15:11
I think I'll probably do that. put a modifier on the name.
I know technically I can take index stuff, but my personal rule is that I rarely do. Only on special occasions, so I like to know what is and isn't index.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 15:12
in this case a modifier would work
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 15:12
that's so weird to me they removed the kombi option on spanners when it's in the kit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 15:12
for things like the whole autarch wargear list for example, the whole list is tagged (Index) because it is completely missing from the Codex
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Oct 30 2018 15:15
@WindstormSCR They made the spanna the 5th model in the loota / burna kit that gets either a big shoota / rokkit / kmb
Its now distinct from the mek as it relates to wargear.
I think it is a good choice, because it was stupid that the Big Shoot mek you built out of the loota / burna kit was unfieldable.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 16:23
ETC is Codex-only
And there have been a few (not major, I don't think) Codex-only tournaments
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:26
It definitely happens - that's why we indicate, and have rousing discussions on the merits of Lone Wolves :p
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 16:27
Yeah...I still need to fix the latest Wolves iteration
Molecule4
@Molecule4
Oct 30 2018 16:29
Is there a way for me to ask someone to add data, or is that considered rude? I have no programming experience, and as such rely on everyone else here to do all the data management and other things. It's for a homebrew 'Codex' I found online for the Mechanicum units.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:30
We do not add fan-dexes to the main repo.
If you want to request one to be added, you'd want to make an issue here: https://github.com/BSData/catalogue-development/issues - However I don't think we host any fan-dexes on appspot.
Molecule4
@Molecule4
Oct 30 2018 16:32
Ah, I see. Thanks for the speedy reply. I guess I'll just have to keep building those lists by hand. Thanks Earl!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:34
No worries, feel free to raise an issue there - Amis is the one to talk to (he'd be responding to the issue there)
Molecule4
@Molecule4
Oct 30 2018 16:34
Thanks again. Away I go.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Oct 30 2018 16:34
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:34
You can as an alternative - create your own GST/Cat file
and manually load that to your device.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Oct 30 2018 16:35
You can watch/subscribe to the issue to see when/if this changes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 16:42
So #3761
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:42
si?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 16:43
The issue is when you replace the Dreadnought Combat Weapon and Assault Cannon with the Fenris Great Axe and Blizzard of Ozz Shield you lose the platform on which the storm bolter/heavy flamer mounts
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:44
screencap of the datasheet?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 16:44
To verify I have consulted official GW images of said weapon options and there is no storm bolter on any dread with Axe/Shield
vendread.PNG
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:45
Storm Bolter/Flamer is a separate piece of wargear that it simply has.
And is replaceable seperately.
RAW, it stays imo.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 16:46
Yeah that's what I thought. It's just going to create hassle.
As usual.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:46
Ayup.
Logically - it should probably be gone - but RAW - it should still be there.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 16:47
:eyes:
I just don't have it in me today to argue it
Mainly because you're right
LOL
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:48
i-am-technically-correct-the-best-kind-of-correct.jfif
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 16:48
The just omitted "and storm bolter" from the "replace" sentence for the Axe/Shield
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:49
Or it should've been "Dreadnaught Combat Weapon with Stormbolter"
oh nvm - like right above it notes Replaced Combat Weapon and Storm bolter with missile launcher.
Yea, you're right - they likely just omitted it for whatever reason, maybe on purpose
You could still mount the storm bolter on the axe hand too I think.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Oct 30 2018 16:51
just gotta make sure everyone is playing wysiwyg :smile:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 16:51
boltstorm gauntlet styleee
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:51
710x528_22302573_11578866_1518809775.jfif
Kastalan style too :p That's what I got for my robots so I didn't have to magnetize guns/fists
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 16:53
I don't think so -- the axe replaces the heavy weapon arm
Sorry assault cannon
Which has no storm bolter in the first place
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:54
I mean physically.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Oct 30 2018 16:54
The Wulfen Dread keeps its ranged weapon when it takes a Blizzard Shield. Why would the Ven Dread be different?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 16:54
as in - it can still be wysiwyg and adhere to RAW
Half the game is about models and how you make them look your own, I see no issue moving a storm bolter to the opposite hand to be wysiwyg to the codex entry.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 17:30
Done and done
I'm not sure how that's implemented?
Now... #3728
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 17:36
Just had to re-work both Ven Dread and Wulfen Dreads
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 17:37
What about #3728?
Just make a shared rule that is hidden if parent force is unbound?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 17:40
Yeah I figured it out. Brain fart.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 17:52
Now....can we go back in time and download a part of the repo that had the Lone Wolf still available?
Yep...got it. I think.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 17:55
yessir - just find the release that removed it
and download the zip from the previous.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 17:59
:thumbsup:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Oct 30 2018 18:43
Okay...that's all the Wolf fleas squashed -- yes, including adding the Lone Wolf back in, and yes, Relic Validation updated to the new method.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Oct 30 2018 20:38
Woo!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 21:24
I think you mean hoowwwwwwwwwwllll!!!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 21:31
I tried out the plasma longfangs thing on saturday
works quite well
so will DA devs I think
esp with the damage buff
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Oct 30 2018 22:28
fabulous
@WindstormSCR in your experience, what's better between razorbacks and dreadnoughts - dreadnoughts would teleportarium with a character, razorbacks obviously just chill out and cruise around from the deploymnet zone
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Oct 30 2018 22:30
4chan seems to agree, with devs being better as MSU and hellblasters taking the cake in a 10 man squad
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Oct 30 2018 22:55
depends on if you're using the contents
dreads are decent but usually have less output
at the same time they are better AT platforms
personally I use dreads for antitank with MT rerolls, and razors as dual HB or AC
but most of the time I'm running landraider crusader as a 2-squad transport