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2nd
Nov 2018
If you didn’t see it. Fw unit updates.
Non stupid email link
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 10:55
:+1:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 02 2018 11:00
That update isn't on the real FAQ page yet!
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 14:41
@Kohato Thanks. I'll get on it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 14:42
np - saw it in my FW email and was like ... well that's suprising and awesome.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 14:42
UGH! Big Zhardsnark nerf. Everyone was counting on him filling in for the loss of Warboss on Bike. But they really want to sell their pretty underwhelming Trike.
Let's hope the trike gets either a leathality upgrade or a points cut.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2018 14:43
big nerf? didnt he get the same treatment as the other bosses?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 14:43
What was zhard then vs now?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2018 14:43
Waaagh! on all ORKS, rather than just <CLAN>
i assumed all warbosses were like that now
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 14:46
He lost the ability to Waaagh! bikes.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2018 14:46
that was a thing? RIP
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 14:46
It used to be that biker bosses Waagh! infantry and bikes. Foot bosses Waagh! infantry. Now Zhardsnark only Waaagh! infantry.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:14
Named characters don't pay points for their wargear, right? Even if it is a common wargear item like a Big Shoota?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:15
in most cases.
It says on the points sheet.
Cost X (Includes Wargear)
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:16
LOL When I orginally did the index orks file, I had Zhardsnark paying for his big shootas. I've played him at those points probably 50 games.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:18
Zhard does not include war gear costs
So you were correct
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:19
^
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:19
Doh! looked at index orks, not index fW. Thanks.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:20
:+1:
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:20
How do we typically do relics that replace wargear?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:21
Just have them in relic SSEGs, and link that is how I did it on my cats
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:22
So, user is responsible for validating that a relic powersword goes on a unit that has a powersword?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:22
^ - Note in the ability section of the relic that "This replaces X"
Just like it says in the book.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:22
Correct
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:22
Once the new BS comes out - we should be able to hide shared profiles based on selections
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:22
OK. That is easy.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:22
meaning we can hide the wargear that it replaces while still paying the points.
But that's new BS stuff :D
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:23
Do we validate relics that can only be taken by certain datasheets? for instance "Painboy only"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:23
Yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:23
Yes.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:23
OK.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:23
Easy way is to Hide in the SSEG
if parent is not instance of Painboy
kind of thing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:23
^that
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:23
Probably got to be Ancestor rather than parent, right?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 02 2018 15:24
I did that with the Wolves -- i.e., the Krackenbone sword is hidden unless there's an instance of Frost Sword
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:24
Ancestor will parse the force. I don't believe it is recursive.
But if you are just linking the SSEG to the base entry of painboy
parent (and child selections) should cover it.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:24
OK. I'll give it a shot.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:25
I think I made separate SSEGs for specific types of units; like there’s a relic group for officers, one for commissars, etc
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 02 2018 15:25
I really don't understand the nomenclature of "ancestor"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:25
I think
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 02 2018 15:25
...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:25
Ancestor in BS means the top level entry
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 02 2018 15:25
Actually now I just realized it makes perfect sense
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:25
be that force, roster, entry
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe needs more coffee, obviously
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:25
I'd love if it were recursive to the whole tree
but that would be ... a lot
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2018 15:25
your parent is an ancestor. any parent of an ancestor is also an ancestor
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:25
like a lot a lot.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:25
Idk I gotta go through and fix my bugs today
Since I’m going to be waiting on a mattress delivery anyway
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:26
Casper?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:26
No it’s “normal” mattress
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:26
Pish, normie.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:26
Forget the brand
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:26
Bet you didn't even get a pillow from the MY PILLOW GUY
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:27
Ironically a Casper would have been cheaper
But the gf has problems with arthritis in her back
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:27
Never looked at the cost really, but one of my YT channels I watch is sponsored by them so I see the ad all the time
oh ew
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:28
So anything with too much sink is no bueno
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:28
that sucks for her :( Hopefully the mattress will help
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:28
Case in point, the mattress we got from mattress warehouse; the salesman referred to it as the brick
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:28
Haha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:28
Yeah lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:28
I like firm mattress myself.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:29
I don’t mind firm; I actually liked the one one step less firm then the one we got
But that was too soft for her
So we went with this one
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:30
Yea, unfortunately back problems ... the mattress pretty much has to be perfect for her or it won't help at all
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:30
Our old mattress was like 8+ years old so it needed to be replaced
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:31
Look at it this way - if you fix your BS bugs today, you can name yet another non ork dex release
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2018 15:31
Lol
Naw I’ll leave naming to you
I like your clever names lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:32
:D
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:43
One more question, Ork's have a strat that makes a weirdboy know 2 powers, and cast / deny 2. Should I put that strat in as an option?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2018 15:45
when is the strat used?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:45
More than that, how are you doing psyker power selection - if you are validating number of choices, then yes - it should be an option like the extra relic is an option.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2018 15:45
if it's "before the battle" or "while mustering", then we should support it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 15:46
mustering
lol
I forgot they use that.
The Ork Militia.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 02 2018 15:46
@tag8833, regarding relics, as long as your Relics are SSEs in their own right, and linked into the Relic SSEG, you can show/hide based on the parent model having the relevant weapon. Check how Relics are done in the SM or Chaos cats for examples.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 15:50
Will do.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 02 2018 16:02
welp
after a test game, my skitarii are being traded to a metal men player in exchange for scouts, and DA will be doing the filler and additional support role
scouts might not have the offensive punch, but they're more survivable and give me the early board control I badly need
Ummmmmm
Holy crap
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2018 20:53
?
Looks like a normal codex
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 02 2018 21:07
The main difference is the replacement of basic wargear like bolters and power swords are good enough to consider taking.