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7th
Nov 2018
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 02:04
I'm curious - why do we need the "No Kultur" option again?
Can't we just ... not require one to be chosen?
tekton
@tekton
Nov 07 2018 02:22
For when handing the list to someone else so it’s explicit instead of implicit?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 02:32
Ah, fair point
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 07 2018 03:57
It's in there.
"No Clan"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 04:04
Semantics wise, shouldn't it be Mixed clan?
Since you can't refuse to choose a Klan for your unit
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:08
got a game tonight against a castellan, a valliant, and a pair of gallants (all house Mortan) - trying to figure out what my target priority should be
i'm thinking probably the gallants so i can move onto the board and grab objectives
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:09
If you can stay out of 12" of the Valliant, Kill the Gallants first.
You won't out-range the castellan and have bigger problems. best to find cover if you can or ignore it til the end.
What are you running?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:10
IG super-heavies
mostly shadowswords
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:16
Hrmm. Well it's gonna be a cross board shoot-fest
Use the shadowswords if you have to to give LOS to your troops for the objectives, Pop the Gallant's down a profile or two if you can't kill them, pop the valliant down a profile or two after that, then unload the rest into castellan I suppose.
good thing about facing IK is they forget how to hit things on their last profile.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:19
lol. the gallants are still hitting on 4s on their last profile though, and the vallaint has auto-hits and re-rolls
hmm, i guess i could charge the gallants if they get too close :thinking:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:22
I meant more the Valliant/Castellan I guess, flamers aside
You ... could. I'm not sure I'd want a Gallant willingly in combat with my shadowsword though
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:24
i was half joking :smile:
but shadowswords are surprisingly good in melee
they average about 6-7 damage to vehicles, on the charge at their top profile
so i was thinking if i failed to down it before it reaches me, i could sally forth to meet them in glorious melee
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:28
That's true - if you know there's no avoiding the charge, get there first.
Can IG Supers retreat and fire?
like IKs?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:28
yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:28
That helps then, once you can't outrun them, just ram, reverse, shoot their face.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:29
in order to reverse out, i'd have to survive them swinging back (probably twice)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:29
OR, sacrifice yourself to the cause
Explode in their face.
And hope that's enough to kill it.
Most of the time that's my Plan B with a Valliant.
Save 2CP to explode on 4+, run into the densest mob of boyz, and dare them to kill the Dominus.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:31
oh, i just realised they have a 2 CP strat to shoot or fight when they die
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:31
With Necrons ... that's my Plan A when I run a vault lol
who, IK?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:32
yeah, imperialis
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:32
Ah, well that complicates killing them in melee.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:34
that's like 15 damage on average >_>
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:34
New plan. Kill them before they reach you.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:34
lmao
might be tricky if one of them is outflanking
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:35
Place one of your objectives in a very tall building. Deploy your troops there, and then hide in a corner of that building so he can't see or reach you.
Hide and cower until the house mortan loses interest and leaves.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:36
it's ITC, so we probably dont get to decide where the objs go
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:36
Oh did they change it? You used to place half each I thought.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:37
they have fixed positions depending on the mission
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:37
Hmm, load up as much melta as you can in the list?
Assume heavy losses, but go out with meltafire?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:38
my list is fixed, so no chance to add any melta :stuck_out_tongue:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:38
Dammit Will, you're making this hard.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:38
it was already hard, that's why i was asking people who know knights ^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:39
Yea :/ In all seriousness I'd avoid/ignore the castellan all game. Highly unlikely you'll kill all 4 knights and he'll probably be keeping the castellan at range.
Valliant skirt outside of 12" and you'll be sorta alright. It's those gallants to worry about
Are you heavy on the swords? Or do you have a decent amount of infantry?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:41
it's 4 supers. needless to say there's no room for infantry :grin:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:42
Whoof.
Alright, for deployment I'd assume an outflank
And try to space so he can't deploy outside of 9" of you
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 07 2018 13:43
To be fair the couple games I’ve played against dominus class have pretty much cemented in my head that you only ignore the big guys if all your AT is already gone
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:43
If he does outflank and you can position yourself well I think you're in good shape. Unload absolutely everything on 1 gallant.
Aye, normally - but there's 2 Dominus'
And 4 shadowswords isn't enough to split fire :(
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:44
rule of 3. 4th one is a macharius
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:45
Either way, I just don't think there's enough there to risk split firing the dominus'
Assuming the Valliant will be trying to get in your face, it's the bigger threat to kill than the castellan
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:45
yeah, i was thinking that too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:45
That spear will fuck your shit up
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:46
thunderstrike on a gallant can almost one-shot a sword on average
whereas the volcano is only do about half as much
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:47
You're a gentleman for taking on that list with something not tailored against it, but damn if it's not pretty sided against you
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:47
idk. i would call 4 titanics a pretty good shooting range for shadowswords
tbf i think it's going to be heavily in favour of whoever gets first turn
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:51
Yea, first turn will be huge.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 07 2018 13:51
laughs in falchion
I’m finally getting falchion bits for my fellblade- I’m happy lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:52
I wonder if the knight list has room for 3 Admech HQs
Though he's mortan, and not a mechanicus house.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 07 2018 13:52
They’re just so bloody expensive
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:52
Shroudpsalm on turn 1 would be mean with the IKs.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 07 2018 13:52
I’m still torn between krast and hawkshroud
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:52
as stock it's just over 1900pts
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:53
I'm pretty set on Vulker for my house.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:53
he's spent the last few points on a cullexus
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:53
Well that seems useless.
Lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:53
i do have psykers, but theyre pretty easy to hide behind supers
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:53
oh you do have psykers - I was thinking just 4 IG Superheavies
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:54
and he should die to the combined heavy bolters
i have a supcom for psykers, yarrick, and a trojan
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:54
You can use those to help defend the outflank at least.
I'd love to know the results - that'll be an interesting game.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:55
lol. it'll be streamed later if you want to watch
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:55
Twitch?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 13:55
yea
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:55
Sure, send a link - I got nothing else to do at work
it's starting around 7pm UTC
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 13:57
1ish here, Sure - that'll be my afternoon then :p
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 14:02
Do you play in VR?
Cause that'd be kind of neat
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 14:03
nah, i dont. i've seen people try, but i think most of the models/textures aren't good enough to make it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 14:03
Ah, that's a shame
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 14:09
looks like appspot has fully shit the bed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 14:13
Hah, I didn't even do a release yet
Just merged 4 cats lol
Will, you're an admin on reddit yea?
I know we're out of stickies, but can you edit the sidebar?
perhaps put a note there that appspot takes goes away for a period of time?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 14:20
people read sidebars?!
i thought they were there for show
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 07 2018 14:20
they do seem to be, given the number of data errors that get posted :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 14:21
also my comment just got flagged as spam by reddit's filter >_>
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 07 2018 14:22
LOL
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 14:22
why is that even a thing when i can just press one button to undo it?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 14:22
Shhhh
Don't you question the almighty snoo
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 19:58
so good they use tabletop simulator..the knight player would have already destroyed 2 models by throwing them around xD
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 20:04
lol. bad colliders
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:04
haha
what turn is it?
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 20:08
1
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:10
oh damn, Is he outflanking 2 Gallants or did one die already?
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 20:11
one outflanking
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:11
oh just an extra one on the table then
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 20:11
either that or he kicked him off the table in the movement phase xD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:11
haha
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 20:12
the moment i first looked knights were flying around
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:14
explosion was kind to him at least. only 6" lol
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 20:15
heh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:16
This went very differently than I though it would've.
Those shadowswords cleaned house.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 20:18
also the knight shooting phase was underwhelming
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 20:18
yeah, knights did very poorly
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:19
them's the dice, best laid plans, then you roll 1s and 2s all day and it goes to shit
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 20:19
that castellan should have done waaay more
lol. yeah, pretty much
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:21
It loooked like what he was trying was about what I'd expected that list to do, he just didn't get up the field before they died, and if the castallan didn't do shit to support :(
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 20:23
house choice was a bit surprising for me. but some throws that arent 1s would help
i think he managed a throw of 1,1,1,2 first round
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:47
I need to get TTS
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 20:51
wasnt aware that is has files for 40k. arent listed on steam
also i want to know how will rigged the dice before i buy it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:51
I mean, It's kind of a gray area, I doubt steam would allow it to be listed.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 20:51
GW did a big take-down on the workshop recently
like a month ago they unlisted ~400 warhammer items
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 20:52
can you get the files somewhere else?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:52
Makes sense lol.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 20:53
there's still a lot on the workshop. and the community has a big backup of assets
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:53
Oh i'm sure - they're just as available as codex pdfs ;)
Or you can always model your own
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 20:54
yeah, most stuff i play is stuff that i've "converted"
i.e. ripped from dawn of war and tweaked in blender
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:54
DoW3?
Cause those models are sexy
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 20:54
DoW 1 lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:54
Well I guess yours aren't
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 20:55
winter assault for the guard :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:55
But a Warden ripped from DOW3? ooooee
The game was ass, but damn if it's not purdy
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 20:55
yeah, not sure where the knight models are from
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 20:57
so you dont depend on steam for multiplayer and use watever files you want?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 20:58
No game depends on steam for multiplayer except maybe valve games.
Steam's just a glorified launcher :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 20:58
yep. as long as the files are hosted somewhere, you can bring whatever, regardless of the workshop
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:00
My list will be 1 Scout.
That's it.
a Scout Warhound
Because the only way I will own a titan of any sort, is in this game lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:01
you just gotta believe dude
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:01
You need to convert your DA Bust into this game.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:01
yeah that game is still cheaper than recast. but i kinda would need a painting minis simulator too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:01
Run it as a Warhound.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:01
No. Warlord at the least ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:01
"WTF Is This?!" "DA Warlord Titan"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:02
did I mention they are doing the Librarian as well?
and possibly a chaplain? fpr 1200$ each?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:02
Whoof
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:02
and that I want them? Bad?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:02
Well, it costs as much as a warlord.
Might as well run them as such.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 21:02
there is actually somebody in the same league who is just running a warhound
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:02
Hahahah I was joking
that's amazing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:03
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:03
That can't be any sort of efficient lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 21:03
he took the two big flamers, so it just deletes like 3 units a turn
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:03
cultists?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:04
Until he runs into your shadowswords
And the game is over after a turn
lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 21:04
yeah, lol. pretty sure i table him on T1
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:05
just like the huge tau suit. trillion weapons but goes down fast
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:06
typical communist fishhead. No staying power.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:07
Can I import Gundams and run them as Riptides?
Hell Deathscythe will fuck some shit up.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:09
even for a communist fishhead. 30 wounds 3+,5++ for i think +1500 points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:09
900~ I thought
or did that get bumped in CA'17 too
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:10
bs says 1927
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:10
that sounds awully low... 30 wounds? thats like 2 and a half heldrake... thtat thing really needs to have some bullshit output
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 07 2018 21:10
yeah, ta'unar is just under 2k
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:11
the output is massive but a knight stands longer in game^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:11
And get back up
because heretics. love. giant. robots.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:11
1927 is not even the most expensive setup
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:11
everyone does
my love is for sanctioned human-brain controlled cybernetic robots though.#
because everything else is... well you know the drift.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:12
What about necrodermis robots that are in control of a phaeron light years away?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:12
speaking of heresy...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:12
Because I love that giant robot.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:13
20181107_195243.jpg
these things are wicked expensive, but they look NIIIICE
a phaeron?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:13
Yea
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:13
ah a big necron nob
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:14
You think they'll give control of a necron knight to an overlord?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:14
nah, HERESY
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:14
Hah
That shit is the property of the phaeron
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:14
there arent any necron knights.
or are there?!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:14
Si.
Seraptek Construct.
Necron Titan.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:15
ah the new fw thingy?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:15
yea
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:15
yeah this thing lets my castellan feel underpowered^^
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:15
wait till it contracts the flayer virus
fun gallore!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:15
The guns on it are disgusting. But it's still gonna fall to any sort of focused fire.
Same as ta'unar really
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:16
first time im glad a model is just to expensive € wise to see it in a game^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:16
I want to say it needs quantium shielding, but that'd be broken as fuck
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:16
the guns arent the problem. the melee with 3423543 attacks + explosion is
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:16
No more melee than an IK is it?
4 with 3 per attack in sweep mode?
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:17
6x3
i think i would be scared to actually kill it after it got into melee range too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:19
What I really want is for HH to put out damned 8e rules for the Ulator.
I want a reason to buy that.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:30
isnt "WANT HAVE" a reason?
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:33
i dont know the rules but it looks like an non to impressive ork weapon^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:33
The 7e 40k rules were fun.
If you remember what Beam weapon were.
It was a beam the size of a pie plate.
That did different things to different unit types.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:34
I was just about to call you crazy on what you considered fun with the bloated mess
but that sounds like fun :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:34
not 7e in general lol - the ulator rules. It was a HH model that they put 40k rules out for.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:34
still sounds like ork engeneering but ok it sounds also fun^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:34
Though it did hit your own guys.
Ulator don't care.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 21:35
more ork talk
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 07 2018 21:35
Call it "the honeybadger"
Cause honeybadger dont give a shit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 07 2018 21:35
It's admech, which I play, It looks a bit like the Scorpion tank in Halo, and it has a gigantic sound cannon on top.
Also it's pretty damn big
I would entirely paint that on the back end.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 07 2018 22:32
If only the stompa was costed on the scale of knights and that necron construct.
It's got an old (less profitable) kit, so they threw an extra 200 points into it's cost to make sure it was suboptimal.
H4lek1n
@H4lek1n
Nov 07 2018 22:54
my nose hurts too much to put my classes on and i cant recognise the troops in the next match on the twitch channel. i need an option to zoom into that shit. also there is eldar music in the background -.-