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Nov 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 15 2018 10:56
@CrusherJoe The best thing they could possibly do would be 5o
*to model the new sisters book after that one, and not the index crud
that was a good book
especially with the non-fixed faith talents
thats what made them really flexible, along with JP canoness being a very sleeper beatstick vs people who hadn’t fought vs one before
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 15 2018 11:07
/me kinda wants to make a fan rewrite of that codex in 8e
Because fuck me that book was decent
The WD dex was... ok
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 11:33
I think I have that book
I would like a Sisters army, but I've never been able to invest, so I hope the plastics are good enough to override the investment issue!!
in other news, I have a Deathwatch "combat squad" question...
if you combat squad 5 intercessors and 2 inceptors / 3 aggressors - do both squads get the benefit of all the special rules?? I.e. do the intercessors get the benefit of the special rules for having an inceptor and aggressor in their unit, and does the inceptor/aggressor squad get "Objective Secured"...???!?!?!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 15 2018 11:38
Combat Squads say you split them into 2 units, so I would say you only get the benefits from the models which are in the new smaller units
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 15 2018 11:39
you only get the benefit in the units that actually have those models, the same as how you lose them if those models are slain
and yes, they keep obsec, since they still have the Troops battlefield role
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 11:41
OK, that's cool, same situation for 5 vets and 2/3 vanguard/bikers
if you're going MSU, then adding dudes to intercessor squads gets you ob sec on units that wouldn't otherwise have it - sneaky!!
although, your "second" squad doesn't have a sgt. so there are some trade offs
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 15 2018 11:47
not that big of a deal for shooty units tbh. a bigger deal to me is inceptors would lose their ability to deep strike
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 11:50
there is that, would the aggressor "advance with no penalty rule" balance that...?? I'm just playing around
thinking of getting the Wake the Dead box
and then will have inceptors
also - plasma or bolter inceptors?! is it as cut & dried as the Aggressor question?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 15 2018 11:51
well inceptors move 10" by default, so agressors moving 5+d6 would actually slow them down most of the time
probably plasma tbh. your SIA units should be dealing with anything that the bolters are good against, and afaik DW need all the AT they can get
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 12:42
assault bolters don't get SIA either by the looks of things
btw, issue 12 and 13 of Conquest include a "Death Guard HQ" (I didn't pay attention to which one) and "your first terrain kit" - which is a munitorum crate thing and some scatter terrain
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 15 2018 12:45
yeah, that's what i mean. they dont get SIA, so your other bolter boys will do a better job anyway
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 12:45
:+1:
fabulous
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 12:58
looks like 1 x munitorum container sprue - the full box is 3 x sprues for £30, so £7.99 for conquest is not an amazing deal, unless you really want just one munitorum container :-)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 15:46
ah shucks
my librarian bust got cancelled... seemingly GW somehow intervened. One one hand, I'm sad because no awesome. On the other hand.. thats 1300$ I dont need to spend.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 15 2018 16:40
But
But
What will you run as an Emperor Titan?!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 17:10
The heavy weapons dude is still fine and in production
the librarian however... not.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 15 2018 17:10
Oh good.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 17:10
some sort of GW asking it to be taken down until modelled and approved
guess no models, no rules extends to no rules, no models xD
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 17:17
looks GORGEOUS... So admechy it hurts...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 17:31
@Kohato there be Necrons... :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 15 2018 17:34
Oh yes there is. When I have time to play it I plan to buy it :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 17:41
it looks pretty... nice. I didnt expect that...
this might actually be a good game...
10% discount fpr the next 17 minutes xD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 15 2018 17:42
It's almost Xmas
I will likely wait for Steam's Winter sale to see if it is on there :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 17:45
aquisition of knowledge at all cost! There is no use to wait to obtain data!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 15 2018 17:48
Why expend more resources than required when the data is not yet needed :p
My tech priests are practical ones you know.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 17:51
Statement disagreed. Cannot compute phrase "data not needed". Malfunction in subroutine.
System.out.println("That's HERESY!");
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 15 2018 17:51
My tech priests are from Mars, not Caliban.
:microphone: Drop.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 18:10
The third universal law states:
Sentience is the ability to learn the value of knowledge.
You did not learn the value of knowledge. You disregard data.
By not following the universal laws, I tag you with "heretech".
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 15 2018 18:12
I judge the value of this knowledge to be less than the current price tag :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 18:12
I also find no entry about dropping a vox thief in my internal cogitators.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 15 2018 20:06
@FarseerVeraenthis remember you don't have to have unified units of aggressors and inceptors unlike the codex plebs
so you can go 1 assault bolter for a cheap option, and 2 plasma
plasma is good but expensive, and not always necessary
and yes, you can split units for obsec, that's the way I'm using bikers and terminators right now.
bikers in a 5/5 combat squadded split with the 5 vets chucked in a razor, same for the terminators but "re-striking" them using the Beacon Angelis on a chaplain
I'm hoping plastic sisters will have some new options so I can justify them as being different enough from other "bolters and power armor" for a small force to go with my hereticus inquisitor
I still need to make a tiny patrol of GKs again to go with the malleus one
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 20:45
ah yes, I had not included the benefit of the option for options :smile:
I love a bit of theoryhammer
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 15 2018 20:46
do you already have a bike section? or are you still building up?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 20:46
I have 6 bikers
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 20:46
5 from my battleforce and Jetek from the Cassius box
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 15 2018 20:47
I've not made mine yet, besides the white scar who is attached to an assault kill-team
I'm going to make the 5-man out of those kromlech bikes
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 20:47
also, @Thairne I'll have to upgrade my entire computer to get on the mechanicus bus so that's not so much as a "no" - more of an "impossible"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 15 2018 20:47
because they look so much more practical
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 20:48
hmmm... not sure on those bikes
i'm only just getting into "chopping things up" / converting
so they seem a little too far away from GW norm - and I'm not sure if I'm brave enough for that yet
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 15 2018 20:55
I’d rather use outriders tbh
But they and dickbikes are so expensive, even recast
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 15 2018 20:57
Maybe it's just my engineer's eye going "The mechinics and traction on that would be waaaaaaay more practical"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 21:04
oh yeah, totally agree with that
but there is still a part of me that says "they're not GW so they're not 'proper'..."
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 15 2018 21:11
That's really the biggest issue I have with the marine bikes, they look more like road touring bikes than offroaders, and all they need to do with that shitty clearance height is hit the right size bump and they're stuck
@FarseerVeraenthis put that breacher bike next to a rhino though, it fits really well
similar angles and tread types
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 15 2018 21:36
@FarseerVeraenthis But the game actually seems to be GOOOOD... ^^
Whelp, time to bring out the green stuff and model ashbringer onto celestine.
Because that's badass.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 15 2018 21:51
Yes. Yes it is.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 21:53
that's some tasty artwork
and @Thairne there are a lot of great games, but if I can't run them... I can't play them
will need to wait until bonus time next year to suggest a PC upgrade
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 15 2018 21:54
Saint Celestine 1920.jpg
That's still probably my fave Celestine pic.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 15 2018 21:56
Oh yea, now that's awesome too
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 15 2018 21:58
I think I had that as my background for a while
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 15 2018 22:16
@FarseerVeraenthis since you're in the UK: www.bit-tech.net
UK based PC hardware/casemodding news place/forum
good for lots of info and UK price comparisons