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Nov 2018
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 00:11
also, I do like the case @Thairne it is VERY red..!!
Many thanks :P Quite limited on colour selection, but hey... I an throw a wash on it xD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 01:15
I have some with spacing
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The deluxe model
1.5" between bases and space in the bottom of each for a 1/8" x 1/16" magnet
Oh, and a handy tab to assist with moving
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 19 2018 01:27
my issue with both of those is they're not skeltonized, so if you're playing in realm of battle boards or anything that isn't a smooth mat, it starts to suck
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 01:27
Agreed. But that's not what I made them for. :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 19 2018 04:27
Well, hopefully mine will work well for you
I'll make a spacer'd version once I get the tolerances and stuff right on these
currently on print #3 with minor issues still
at least they only take ~10min to print
the bed heatup takes longer than the actual print
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 11:48

@Kohato
Quote from Dakka:

Interesting. While many of those point costs are reduced from the codex (or increased in the case of the riptide), some are identical.
So that makes it look like chapter approved will basically reprint the entire point cost section of every codex. Which would be really convenient compared to the current state of things, where some point costs are in codexes, and some are in chapter approved 2017. Making you flip between them

looks like your wish has been granted
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 11:49
Yay
They did something smart :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 11:49
or those leaks are fakes made from editing the codex point section
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 11:50
ah yes.
Thread goes on and calls them fake...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 11:51
iirc, there's a lot of fake tau "leaks" going around rn
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 11:53
Sure
Crush my dreams why dont'cha
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 11:53
dem dreamz need a good crumpin'!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 11:54
lol. idk if the points are real, but a lot of stuff has been confirmed fake, which calls everything into question
i mean i hope they reprint all of the points for every unit. i'm just not expecting it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 11:56
They do in the Generals Handbook though, dont they?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 11:58
Correct
But they also don't have points outside of GHB
I'd love to use that as a case for CA to do it, but AoS doesn't have points outside of GHB, so they kind of have to put them there.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 12:36
#3909 no I’m not making it easier for you to squeeze a SS into smaller points games
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 12:40
yeah, that's something they should be taking up with GW/FW, rather than us
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 19 2018 12:42
FW. By the looks of it they just lazily waved hand at owners of that model: "Just use another datasheet, here, you can even have a new wording on some option".
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 12:52
Yup
That’s exactly what they did
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 13:02
@GenWilhelm Do you know of any practical use for #3902
like seriously?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 13:03
OP wants 2 warlord traits and 1 relic, but doesnt want the relic on their actual warlord
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 13:03
Oh shit, that's right, Exalted doesn't actually make them a warlord for points/objectives does it
just the trait
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 13:04
yep
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 13:04
bugger
Luckily it should be just unhide relics if that is selected as well - so that should work easy enough
I'll tweak tonight when I get home from work
or at work if I get bored
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 13:05
lol. it's a pretty niche case tbf
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 13:06
Agreed, I never thought of it, but it's quite true, so I'll fix it.
Played IK v the new OrkDex yesterday. I am growing to absolutely hate the Green Tide strat.
Oh, that unit of 30 boyz you got down to 3 just replenished, and then Da Jumped.
But I also learned a Volcano Cannon is pretty much overkill on anything short of a Stompa. It melted a Deff Dread before it had a chance to move.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 13:10
heh. i watched a game of IK vs Orks the other night. da jumping 20 tankbustas who then used More Dakka and Showin' Off at a castellan
did about 25 damage, then got blown off the board by a crusader
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 13:12
Tankbustas are no joke when they hit. They one shot my warden
Then I did mean things and rezzed him since I was running Tenaris
Warden didn't die again until near end game.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 13:13
would have gone much better for them if the bosses had managed to kill the crusader in the same turn, but they whiffed a lot of their attacks
how is Tenaris? the vast majority of people i see are still on the raven train
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 13:17
I've yet to run Raven
But FNP on knights?
Holy shit is that great
I used to run Vulker and Will be doing Tenaris until I try Raven to see if I like that
I got so much use out of the FNP, then the rez strat for the warden.
*Taranis
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 13:19
yeah, 6+ FNP is like having about 20% more wounds, which is like 5-6 for a knight, which does seem pretty nice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 13:20
The Taranis WT is meh. I run the Dominus as my Warlord most of the time
so adding an AP onto there is really overkill in most cases.
I also tend to play defensively, so I just don't think i'd get much use out of Raven's household vs the FNP on knights
Also, Chainsweep is delicious vs orks. 2CP, roll a D6 for each model within 3" after attacking with the knight that has a chainsword. 6+ is a mortal.
So many mortals.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 19 2018 13:34
The rerolling 1s from the raven start plus crawls wrath makes them better than the rest in the itc meta.
But the other ones do have a place.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 13:36
Cawls Wrath is mechanicus, not raven ;)
Or you mean in combo with the strat
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 14:00
yeah, companions has really strong synergy with everything on the castellan. just the sheer number of random characteristics, plus being able to avoid the overheat damage from the plasma
SM codexes just got some errata
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 19 2018 14:14
@Kohato, for #3902 can you swap the show/hide constraint for relics from "has selection of Heirlooms" to Ancestor is CHARACTER", leaving the Warlord requirement? Would that solve it?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 19 2018 14:15

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#items-warhammer-40000
SM codexes just got some errata

same wording as <FLY> for everything else .. movement phase only

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 14:36
@Mad-Spy That might work, I'm not sure though since the ancestor isn't a Character. The "Character" selection has the character keyword on it.
I'll give it a shot though, if it does that'd be clean and easy
Parent >0 CHARACTER may work though
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 19 2018 14:39
@Kohato, I think it pushes it up when you select the Character selection.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 15:08
Jesus he’s a tenacious one
Yeah SM FAQs just look like they’re fixing the reiver oversight
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 15:11
mostly, yeah. also interceptors, and flyboys in kill teams
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 15:11
Jon
How dare you
you are alienating his ilk.
He has the PROPER model.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 15:12
Cuck pattern
jimmies = rustled
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 15:18
Yup
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 15:19
But I also learned a Volcano Cannon is pretty much overkill on anything short of a Stompa. It melted a Deff Dread before it had a chance to move.
Yeah...I played against a Bloodletter Bomb over the weekend...I wound up losing because we ran out of time (he had...2 units left, and one of them was a character) and I couldn't get my ass over on objectives fast enough as I had to keep collapsing my lines...but he also had Skarbrand
You know what Skarbrand doesn't like?
The full load of a Castellan to the face
Yep. One round of shooting from Castellan == no more Skarbrand
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 15:22
volcano cannons are great. most of the time you get to pick a unit* and just remove it from the board :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 15:23
Near the end I was using it on tankbustas
Like, Ok - 2 of those models, they just die.
Horribly.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 15:23
at that stage you just need to Crush Them!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 15:24
Castellan, Warden, Paladin, 3 Helverins - vs 2 Trukks of Tankbustas, a Deff Dread, Warboss, 60 boyz, weirdnob, painboy, 6 small mek gunz, and 3 big mek gunz (one was the auto hit one)
Helverin guns make quick work of mek gunz.
they conveniently have 3 wounds :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 15:35
Y’know what I’m starting to like more this edition? Predator autocannons.
They’re 3 damage too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 15:37
autocannons are really hit-and-miss though. S7 is a really awkward spot, and their lacklustre AP-1 means they just glance off anything with decent armour
i am always temped to run hyrdas though, just as a big middle finger to eldar
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 15:44
Fair, but the average of 4 shots with a predator is nothing to sneeze at
Has trouble vs russes but against any other light/medium tank it gets work done
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 15:45
I like to use Scour the Skies when shooting at Eldar with Helverin
Here, have 9-12 wounds
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 15:46
yeah, they're decent against heavy infantry and lighter vehicles. they just really underperform against most vehicles compared to a lascannon
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 15:47
Oh silly man, that's what the volcano lance is for. Or Cawl's Wrath
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 15:50
i'm talking about the general case of lascannons vs autocannons :stuck_out_tongue:
of course i have plenty real AT, i'm just pondering whether it would be worth it to shore myself up vs. eldar, tau, necrons
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 15:54
The best AT I know of is a Gallant LOL
But that's me
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 15:55
i've got the triple swords rn, so i'm set
it's mostly a massive pain vs. tau when they have more drones than you have attacks
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 15:57
Yeah
Remember the rule when fighting Tau: KILL THE DRONES FIRST
After that's done, your real work can begin
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe eyes the new FAQ versions
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 15:58
So
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 15:58
it's statistically faster for me to shot to big guys with the volcanos
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 15:58
Lemme get this straight
They can release revised versions to nerf the shit out of Reivers
But can't be arsed to release an Ork FAQ, despite the "two weeks after codex, expect a FAQ" promise?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 15:59
nerf them to be consistent with similar abilities, yes
and yeah, i'm really interested to see the orks FAQ
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 16:00
I mean, it's not like they were burning up the top tables or anything
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 16:00
maybe they get big price drops in CA, who knows?
but then their weapons are pretty garbage, so probably still wont be used
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 19 2018 16:07
@Kohato the character issue becomes more prevalent when taking 4 knights or more, and wanting to spread WLTs/relics out a bit to different stuff, it also can come into play where you might have say 2 armigers and a castellan in a lance, make the armiger a character using the lance rule, then use the strats to make characters out of the other two for those couple missions that give characters super-obsec
but still wanting to concentrate the relic and WLT on the dominus class
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 16:46
@CrusherJoe I mean, shoring up Reavers with <Fly> is like low hanging fruit
compared to a full Ork FAQ
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 16:47
i mean is it really that hard to write "No, of course orks don't get a 2+ invulnerable."?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 16:49
Aw, panzer gave up
I was about to get out the popcorn
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 17:44
lmao
Speaking of Ork Faq
enjoy
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 17:51
Holy crap, Grot Shields just got buffed to the strato ...
One Gretchen Model can now take an entire attack from a ranged weapon.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 17:52
they thankfully clarified mek gunz and kill kans
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 17:53
Ugh, the first fucking FAQ question
Hopefully that will stave people off from the same damned question with marines all the time
And yes - rather glad that was clarified.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 17:56
alright brood brothers is finally implimented in DK/EL
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 18:09
Wow Pygmy intellectuals? Lol kinda glad I missed that one. He really doesn’t understand Index options vs codex, designers commentary, etc does he?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 19 2018 18:19
@alphalas, is it BaconCatBug in disguise? That guy needs a ban.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 18:31
This is worse then BCB
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 18:32
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Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 18:33
guys, question... anyone here half knowledgeable with laquers, acrylics, epoxy and.. water?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 18:37
acrylics and water == okay
laquers and water == NOPE
Epoxy should be okay with either
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 18:39
not that kind of compatibility :P not thinning, but prolonged exposure after hardening
just found out that acrylics go milky and bad
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 18:39
So long as one or the other is dried completely before applying the other it should be fine
You mean acrylics left in a pot?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 18:40
yes.
With fish.
In a tank.
Space marines.
Fighting fish.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 18:41
Oh
Um
Honestly? I don't know
I'd be cautious as lacquers are toxic
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 18:41

always figured that after drying its just plastics and plastics are not really impressed by water

yeah me neither, but I need a solution :P

my latest thought was to use resin and coat the models with it... but I never worked with resin and have no idea if that could work
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 18:42
My GF uses a resin epoxy to finish her tumblers
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 18:42
I had that 40k tank planned for a while and had a squad of devs commission painted.. and now the guys tell me "well acrylics dont work under water... sorry"
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 18:42
Which people put lips on...so it's supposedly safe
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 18:43
id water it for weeks ofc.. would it be feasibly to just coat something with it?
and not cast it? I mean I could just cast the marines in a block of resin... xD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 18:46
20181119_124356.jpg
That's what she uses
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 18:46
2 component resin, I figured as much
is that stuff brushable? or how viscose is it, could one dip them and furiously swing them to get the excess off? That'S what I'm wondering...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 19 2018 18:47
It dries to a hard gloss finish
She applies it with a brush
Usually one of those foam finishing brush thingys
It is pretty thick, I don't know about flinging excess off
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 18:50
but if one can brush it on.. it would work, the flinging would be emergency procedure
I guess I'll get the smallest amount and test it on the ruins I intend do glue the marines on
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 19 2018 18:53
You could just do a double coat of a matte varnish on a peice and submerge it for a while
see if the coating goes
Those are more readily available: Dulcote, Munitorum Seal from GW, Etc
as long as you make sure to get the surfaces well, should work fine
without compromising the paint or making it glossy
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 18:56
I've JUST done that
the ruins are done for weeks, sitting in my room at ~20-22°C
if these things arent cured fully, nothing is... placed one in my sink to see what happens.
I've asked them to extra matt varnish it for safety (more for fear out of toxic paints), so lets hope the varnish holds... and if not *shrug
resin or I've spent 250€ on 5 marines I never intend to use.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 18:57
Oh look panzer is back
Can someone other then me please kindly explain the difference between Designer’s commentary, the faq in question, and the fact that if it’s not a written option we don’t support it?
@amis92?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 19:06
Solution:
Brush-On Resin Gel for nails!
If some girl can use that stuff to prettify hers, I can use that stuff to solidify my marines!
I wonder if I can walk into one of those fingernail workshops, plonk down the marines and exclaim proudly "ONE NAILJOB PLEASE!"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 19 2018 19:07
not without a lot of odd looks
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 19 2018 19:08
I wager the second I walk in I get odd looks ;)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 19:08
There we go bugrep closed, other bugs fixed, and Brood Brothers implemented.
I’m waiting to see if I get any other gripes from the FB thread before a release is pushed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 19 2018 19:27
At this point the man is unreachable.
Lock the issue imo
as tasty as the popcorn is.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 19 2018 19:48
can someone please point out that you can just right-click the "extra" THB and remove it, after which we can agree to disagree
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 19 2018 19:52
Except you can’t on mobile.
And also that’ll throw an error which will hurt snowflake’s feelings
Aha it is the gorgon
The only FW SHV that went down in points not up
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 19 2018 23:55
Where are the points leaks? so I can get excitedbut also be cautious because of possible fakery