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20th
Nov 2018
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 20 2018 06:07
Yeah...been waiting on those myself
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 20 2018 07:25
so far I've seen rumors of a tiny reduction on the marines themselves, but bigger drops on stuff like terminators, power fists, weapons, and vehicles
which could make a LOT of difference for deathwatch, as a good chunk of the costs isn't the vets but the guns
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 08:30
I'm mostly interested in AdMech pts changes.. so many units are strictly useless currently..
even in casual play
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 20 2018 13:55
well, finally sorted out an issue with my PLA filament misbehaving
the Movement trays work a treat
can pick up the whole 5-man set by one model, but they slide out easy when removing for casualties
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 20 2018 14:58
Nice
What was the problem with the PLA?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 15:19
what IS a PLA?
WHY is PLA?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 20 2018 15:21
It's a type of plastic for 3d printing
Poly Lactic Acid
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 20 2018 15:36
PLAstic :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 15:41
you young'uns and your desire to use abbrevations... :P
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 20 2018 15:42
WTF! GTFO!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 16:00
NE
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 20 2018 16:04
Sli or bust yo
*exorbant costs may apply
Sla*
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 20 2018 18:50
Actually SLA printing would be bad for this purpose, the rings are only a few mm wide, in resin they'd snap stupidly easy
in PLA or ABS plastic they're fairly durable
@Thairne think of PLA as an analog to ABS plastic that has a lower melting temperature and is easier to work with as a result
@CrusherJoe I can sent you the STL file, but it's designed slightly large to work with my printer's wall thickness setting, if your printer is more precise you might need my v1 type
but can give it a go and see
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:14
ffs how does one stop harlequins? Those guys are ridiculous..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 20 2018 20:40
4++ army wide is tough
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:41
Im mostly worried about that 18" charge...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 20 2018 20:41
Qty over ap really is how you kill them.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:41
yeah, thats why I build my list with... 18 vanguards at 500 pts
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 20 2018 20:41
I think they’re low model count too.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:41
no specials, pure weight of dice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 20 2018 20:43
@WindstormSCR what's your wall thickness set to? I can reliably get .4+ with good accuracy. If I switch to the .2 nozzle...well, then it's party time LOL
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:44
enginseer, 2 units of vanguards at 8 and 9 dudes each, 5 infiltrators, 5 ruststalkers, 1 dragoon
not much to shake, I just hope I can run back and countercharge with the elites once he catches the vanguard and then PLEB them...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 20:45
@Thairne they are difficult to beat - be careful of haywire cannons on skyweavers
and they're all -1 to hit
and the 4++ is extremely annoying
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:45
ffs 3D6 charge and -1...
fall back and shoot/charge...
lets hope that agriipina pulls through with overwatch on 5+ unmodded
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 20:49
yeah, strangely they didn't do tooooo well in combat
but then in the battle I played last Friday night I got "Hemlock'd" and then haywire cannons are just filthy against pretty much anything so it was just mopping up after that pretty much
especially when you then throw fusion pistols into the mix!!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:52
I run only one vehicle, which is pretty much objective grabbing/distraction carnifex ^^
so gogo haywire
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 20:53
yeah, it's still Assault D6, S4 AP -1... and the bikes are T4 with -1 to hit, and then on Friday they were "Prismatic Blur'd"
and then "Lightning Fast Reactions"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:54
so... im fucked? ^^
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 20:54
well, they will then have a 3++ and will be -2 to hit
so... depends how many dice you roll!!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:55
rad carbines are assault 3, which I have 19 off
plus pistol 5 on the infiltrators and mortal wounds on the ruststalkers
I really hope he fails those invuls in overwatch
at least thats my plan....
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 20:56
hmmmm, weight of dice will win :smile:
and that sounds likea lot of dice
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:57
jup... but the catch is, if he runs like a solitair... with 10 attacks.. that can wipe out half my army in one turn...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 20:57
tbh, I'm still not sure if my target priority was correct - should I have spent my fire killing everything else, rather than trying to knock wounds of the "un-hitable/killable" bikes??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 20:57
5w with a 3++ is really bad at 500 pts
usually take out the greatest threat first
I fear he runs 3 of those as well...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:02
yeah, well, I think that would have been better to go Raptoris tactics and pour everything into the flyers that were right in my face in turn 1
then the starweavers that were delivering shuriken death in my face, THEN the bikes
but who knows
in the end about 3 died
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:03
I thought starweavers were bikes? Oo
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:03
but by then many knights and squads of Deathwatch had been slain
skyweavers = bikes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:04
aaah I see
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:04
starweavers = transport
voidweaver = gunship
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:04
so the 3 big things he painted were star/voidweavers... I see
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:04
well.. "gunship"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:05
I see... well yeah, taking those suckers out with an elite army is mandatory
the ap-3 kills you dead.. as admech I dont really care as much about that anyway, i need to take out the melee threats first because I can outshoot him
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:06
yeah, stay as far away as possible
:wink:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:06
rad carbines are assault 3 :P
Shoot n scoot!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:08
:+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:08
but 18"... any info about their psychic powers?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:09
which ones??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:09
like is it necessary to try and kill that shadowseer HQ?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:10
hmmm...
well... probably :smile:
fog of dreams is a(nother) -1 to hit
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:10
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:11
as in, the harlequin player selects a unit that receives -1 to hit all HRLEQUIN INFANTRY
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:11
I come to the conclusion that at low pts those fuckers are nasty. Like really, really nasty.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:11
Veil of tears give a Harlequin unit another -1 to hit
yeah, there just won't be many of them
(hopefully) you'll be able to shoot them before they can murder you
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:12
just thinking.. if I can fill a battallion, I can out CP him...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:12
they're not called murder clowns for nothing!!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:15
paying 47 pts tax for 5 cp.. seems valid
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:15
sounds OK to me...
do you know his army list?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:15
nope, just a few models I've seen him paint
shadowseer, 3 void/star thingies.. and what was that other guys face....
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:16
solitaire
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:16
lets hope not, checking history...
just a player form a troupe
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:20
:+1: 1 less thing to worry about then!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:23
yeah I guess I'll run that.
2 enginseers, extra relic (extra shot on overwatch on 6, reroll melee hits within 6"), 5+10 vanguards with assault 3, 9 rangers with rapid fire 1, but 30" for some backfield firing while I retreat back, 5 infiltrators, 5 rust stalkers. Thats a lot of bodies to chew through that hit on 5+ in overwatch
with 7 CP vs his 3
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:26
how many points is thats??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:34
501
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 20 2018 21:36
Can you put an arquebuske (sp?) (sniper rifle) in there somewhere? Elves really don't like it when you snipe their precious HQs...especially Shadowseers
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:36
ofc, but those fuckers are expensive.. and a 4++ ruins it pretty bad
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 20 2018 21:37
Remember the rules when purging Eldar: shoot the ones with the tallest hats first -- especially if you can get the ones on bikes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:37
lol
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 20 2018 21:37
And if nothing else works, takes a Vindicare
"No invul for you."
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:37
I actually DO have a Vindicare...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 20 2018 21:37
They delete elfin HQs and witches
"But...but...the invul is the only save I have." "I know. Suck it, witch." rolls a d6
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:39
hm. 2+, 2+, no save, d3 damage.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 20 2018 21:40
Granted, for true extermination, a pair of Vindis will usually murder an elf a turn guaranteed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:40
5W.. and with 7 CP I can afford to reroll the d3... but thats still 3 turns to kill that fucker...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 20 2018 21:40
Unless you roll a 6 to wound. :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:41
got me.
Now how do I free up 90 pts again without fucking the battalion..
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 20 2018 21:42
Oh. Well...less rangers? Less expensive melee specialists?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:43
yeah, I threw out the infiltrators. I want the mortal wounds from the ruststalkers.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:45
I had a Vindicare too...
(we were rolling badly) 2+, 2+, D3 wounds sounds great...
until you have to spend CP re-rolling ones
and then roll another 1...
:frowning:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:46
I feel ya. I had that happen to me twice in one game.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 21:46
yeah, that's why you really need 2 assassins
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 21:53
well I'll have DOUBLE the CP than him now. So with 3 rerolls, that is every Vindi shot, I still have the same as him. Taking out that psychic fucker is totally worth it.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 20 2018 22:15
perfect
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 20 2018 22:31
plus its the fury of vengeance.. he plays harlies the first time, so everything is first model syndrome
as he did with my knight a few years ago.
and my fire raptor.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 20 2018 23:17

@Thairne yes, at low points harlequins are nasty, but they also have the issue of costing a decent bit and only having the 4++ to rely on besides hit malus. so the best thing you can do if figure out what your cheapest str 4 or 6 gun is with a ton of shots and just throwing them out.

for admech I would think a couple larger units of rangers with advanced data tethers and max arquebi in the back line would be good, then smaller MSU teams of vanguard as a front line, since he can't leapfrog you when charging anymore

keep the rangers stationary, give them a dominus buff, canticles if you can, and then pop data tether. arquebi will fuck up weavers if they can connect, the rangers will just weight of fire the infantry down
and your + to hits from cant/data should offset the hit malus