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28th
Nov 2018
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 28 2018 08:29
@GenWilhelm, I see you did some work on the Imperium Blackstone units, did you get any further than what's committed?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 09:37

According to GW, Vigilus is apparnently where absolutely everyone except Tau and Necrons hang out.

Fine, we'll make our own planet .. with dark eldar hookers and Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:13
@Mad-Spy, nope, just picked up the units that didnt obviously belong in another catalogue
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 10:15

According to GW, Vigilus is apparnently where absolutely everyone except Tau and Necrons hang out.

Fine, we'll make our own planet .. with dark eldar hookers and Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker

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Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:16
Hmmmmm ... is that the hooker noise of the poker noise ?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 28 2018 10:18
@GenWilhelm, ok. I totally missed that you did it, so I've stuck all the Imperium stuff in one cat. I think it's probably low use enough that it won't be a problem.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:19
the ones i didnt do are for existing factions, i believe. like i think two of them are ministorum?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 28 2018 10:20
yeah, I guess I could stick them in there...
I just don't know if it's easier to have all the Imperium ones in one place?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:23
yeah, idk where people will look for them. it just made sense to me that if you're playing with the ministorum guys, you're probably going to have other ministorum units, so you'll have that catalogue loaded already
oh inheritance, how useful you would be to us :pray:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 28 2018 10:24
:)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 10:24
@sk_Father_Price_twitter the TTS episode where tzeentch plays with kitten said poker game and tzeentch flicks through his entire deck which causes magnus to have a psychic meltdown? ^^
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 28 2018 10:24
@GenWilhelm, I'll shift the ones I did over to Ministorum.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:27
@Thairne yup, I know it well :) ... but it could well apply to a dark eldar - 'masseuse' treatment .. at least in my head ... Yeah I need to get out more, or quit the caffeine for a day
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 10:31
how would you flick during a massage? I only could imagine the "flick" being followed by a "crunch" of breaking bones... :P
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:36
I think I've stretched the analogy as far as I can now.... needless to say I am a sad robot for not being allowed to play on Vigilus, is it some kind of penance for our sins in 7th? when we were first to be favoured with formations.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:37
speaking of formations...
have you heard the rumours that they're coming back in the first campaign book?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:39
that was news from the weekender right ? .. so that's not going to be in CA 2018
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 10:39
yeah, coming back but with a CP cost though
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:39
think so, yeah
and apparently they work nothing like they did in 7e, so i'm cautiously optimistic about them
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 10:40
as am I
the simple fact that they aren't free makes them inherently more balanced and fixable
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:41
yeah pay CP to get a formation wide benefit. .. I mean it's exactly the way I'd have liked it .. but reserve judgement until we see how they crowbar it in... wasn't the rumour also it was OPEN play only
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:42
pretty much. the way it was described made it sound like it was just an expensive stratagem that gave certain units a permanent buff
and i heard it was for all forms of play, including matched
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:43
that... would be awesome
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 10:44
thats my understanding of the things as well
there was an example given about buffing intercessors in some way in an IF Detachment I think
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:44
yeah, something about "veteran primaris"?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 10:45
makes it pretty limited in scope too, so probably not batshit broken
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:50
you think they'll be faction specific then ?
maybe .. some way to benefit "pure" lists to counter .. soup .. maybe
eagerly awaits the return of the Canoptek Harvest
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:52
pretty sure they will be
like stratagems are
there's a few details that need to be filled in before we can know exactly what they mean for the game
like what conditions do you need to fulfil; how far do they reach; what diversity of units do they affect?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:56
just please no Skyhammer
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:57
skyhammer has been renamed to STEEL RAIN for pressing ceremonial reasons
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:57
actually .. that said ... a stratagem for a few free drop pods and Turn one deployment... Hmmmm
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:57
>free units
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:57
making marines mediocre again
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 10:58
would be fun for drop pods to be useful again
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 10:58
my marines would maybe pay CP for that
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 28 2018 11:18
but yeah ... Necrons would LOVE a harvest where Spyders were actually viable or useful again ..
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 12:10
talk about fielding more than 2 units as admech... ;)
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Nov 28 2018 12:57
@GenWilhelm "expensive stratagem that gave certain units a permanent buff" yeah that's how it was explained, an example was 1cp to make a detachment at "primaris vets" detachment, then 1cp for each unit of intercessors to make them "veteran intercessors"
and talking to the guy, they're not gonna go back to the "take x y and z units and you get abc rule", there will always be a cost, specifically mentioned there would be nothing like the free transports situation, seems like they learned there lesson. Also there are no new detachment types, its just an upgrade for existing, and you can take other units in that detachment, eg the kastalan manapole, you can take rangers in the troops slot, but they won't benefit from the kastalan
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 13:03
so just an entry with no force org in the list like the relic stratagems basically. Good.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Nov 28 2018 13:06
best analog is the chapter master, as it has different stats, how do we handle that?
or does it have different stats, i'm not sure now XD
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 13:07
change profile based on existance of entry in the force
I think harlequins have something similar?
basically like we did the jump packs on assault marines of old
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 13:12
ooh, it has a scaling cost based on the number of benefiting units?
and i'm very glad to hear that they dont want to hand out free units
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Nov 28 2018 13:15
in the primaris example yeah, not sure about the others its the only example they gave. They are costed appropriately to the benefits but also they kept in mind how easy it is for those armies to get CP
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 28 2018 15:43
Spyders are still useful Price.
They're our only source of Deny :p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 15:44
lol. does anyone actually take gloom prisms?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 28 2018 15:45
I mean, no - because the pitiful deny range means your spyder has to be away from your vehicles to use it.
but it's still there!
I do still take a single spyder + 2 Doomsday arks to fill out a heavy support batallion though
Those things still pack punches.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 15:47
i find niche wargear like that to be really weird. it's only going to be relevant in like 20% of games, so why bother spending points on it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 28 2018 15:58
Because Necrons Wargear leave very odd point gaps in most lists.
Depending on your list, you may not actually have anything more useful to spend the points on.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 28 2018 16:12
both good and bad things about crons imo. I love the simple options, but at times it leads to useless wargear takes just because you have no other options.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 28 2018 16:17
sounds like it would be. ive tried to build daemons lists and they do that as well, where you end up with like 10-20 points left over and nowhere to spend it
and here i am with guard, feeling like i'm wasting points by spending my last 2 on a storm bolter :smile:
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 28 2018 16:25
...yes, that happens
A LOT
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 28 2018 18:10
Well, my PC is finally unfucked completely, just need to get git desktop back up, and then I can knock out the deathwatch bug and some remaining index cleanup
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 22:17
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I call him "Guy that does nothing"
next up: 10 guys that do nothing, cost 7/8 points and die quickly.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 28 2018 22:19
perfect
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 28 2018 22:19
hm. The colours are more washed out than it looked like on my phone..
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there. Better.