These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

29th
Nov 2018
tekton
@tekton
Nov 29 2018 03:01
Well done! I hope the skryer skull works better for you and doesn’t break off the first game you play with it like both of mine did...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 08:54
thats what the magnet trays are for :P
But he already lost one incenser thingy... luckily noone notices :P
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 29 2018 11:54
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 12:00
uuh, what. some of these details don't add up

WARBIKERS, BATTLEWAGONS, BONECRUSHAS and (OTHER VARIANT) in this detachment gain the BLITZ BRIGADE keyword.

If a BLITZ BRIGADE CHARACTER is your Warlord, you can give the them the following Warlord Trait. When your Warlord is embarked within a BLITZ BRIGADE TRANSPORT [...]

Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 29 2018 12:03
i'm guessing none of those are characters ?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 12:04
not sure, but none of them can embark on transports
yeah, characters on bikes don't have the WARBIKER keyword
so there's clearly something that's been missed here
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 12:08
maybe a baked in errata in CA?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 12:09
i thinking there's probably more keywords before WARBIKER
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 12:26
do characters on bikes gain a keyword?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 12:26
Or the left hand doesn’t have a fucking clue what the right hand is putting in codexes, as has happened before
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 12:26
they have BIKER instead of INFANTRY
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 12:27
yeah.. that sounds like a RAW oversight, though the RAI is clear.
day 1 pat... day 1 FAQ:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 12:27
defkilla wartrike doesn’t even have warbiker does it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 12:28
no, that has VEHICLE
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 12:28
lol
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 29 2018 12:43
give it 5 minutes so they can fire up the Reece robot to come and speak to us about how well it's been received by the playtesters and that this is a Beta codex supplement and it's alllll gonna be OK!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 12:44
Greetings, player units!
This is Reece unit transfering data to your input devices!
Rejoice, for everything is fine, nothing is broken!
End of output!
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Nov 29 2018 12:47
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Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 12:49
Suddenly reminds me of the Mechanicus Game where that one tech-priestress talks in lingua technis...
omnissiah be praised, the dialogue in that game was just so awesome..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 13:24
pretty sure it also says "Use this stratagem when mustering your army [...]", so there goes the idea that you can pick and choose based on your opponent
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 13:25
uh
is "mustering" an official term in the rules?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 13:25
idk. it's been used on stratagems before
some missions say in the "Armies" section that " each player must first must an army"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 13:30
hm alrighty then
I've never conciously come across that term
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 13:31
it's not used in any of the matched play sections as far as i can see
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 13:32
that would explain that
and especially admech has no pre-game stratagems except the relics one
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 13:32
the only "mustering" stratagem i can think of is the one that gives BA characters the black rage
presumably because they would be in DC colours instead of their regular chapter colours
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 13:33
harlequins have something about a "Grand Harlequin" I think
has no pts cost and BS does not specify anything else, so I presume its kind of similar
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 13:36
looks like that one's "before the battle"
a la relic stratagems
simply states "before the battle"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 13:37
yeah, that means you can use it at any point before deployment starts
i.e. after you see your opponent's army
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 13:38
I see
while mustering has to be integrated in the list you bring
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 13:38
i believe so
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 13:38
makes especially sense with the new detachment
you aint gonna be allowed to switch that around pre-gane
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 13:41
well these are modifiers on top of existing detachments, so people were hopeful that you could use them after you see your opponent, sort of like you can with relics, traits, powers, etc.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 13:43
never saw it that way.. they were teased as "new detachments" and the theory of stratagem like implementation was community spawned
but the very first pretty much defines that there is no changing after for me, just as you dont switch around from brigades to battalions and the like
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 13:44
fair enough. i was trying to detach from the formations of old, and take the information we had previously at face value, despite the name
now that we have more details, we can make better judgements :smile:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 13:47
to be fair, stratagem like makes a whole lot of sense, so it's an easy assumption to make
but I like the idea of that additional level of list customisation... it might actually really balance stuff out better
Kastellan are pretty good, but a points hike would render the entire codex pretty weak. But if you take a Kastellan Detachment that does XYZ and compensate with a slight CP cost IF you take enough... then you shifted pts to CPs
tekton
@tekton
Nov 29 2018 14:24
CP costs- how many points is a free random reroll? It’s an interesting question...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 14:32
roughly ~56pts
based on effect 'costs' on various characters
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 14:38
@Thairne Oh hot damn your "guy that does nothing" is looking sharp!!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 14:40
he actually looks a bit better in person, but that is about what I can put out :)
And its mostly just basecoat, wash and a wee bit highlighting (red is 4 colour airbrush transition and a bit edge highlighting)
that's why I like admech models
you dont really need highlighting since the models are so busy that just a good basecoat puts them way over tabletop standard in looks
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 14:42
Deathwatch are odd in that they have a similar thing going
pay attention to the details on the body most people gloss over painting marines, and the shoulders/weapon do the rest
minimal highlights needed especially if doing gloss black armor
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 14:44
basic marines dont have THAT much detail tho, it's mostly primary colour with some splotches of something else
DW is a different thing though, agreed
oh lord just found 2 pics of my kataphron destroyers in my box
2 years old know, I'm impressing myself right now
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if I can find back to that after the break...
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 14:45
I have a blog (that hasn't been updated in any meaningful way since 5th...) that has some pics of my "old work"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 14:46
do I still have that one pic about from '15.....
ah yes
A long way....png
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 14:48
Oh neat
There's even video evidence of my incompetence
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 14:48
I still have one or two of my original guardsmen
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 14:48
(Yes, at one time I owned the original "Leafblower" army)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 14:48
I should put those up against my current DW
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 14:50
to be fair, that large white surfaces are brutal
I strongly disagree with the colours tho :D
@WindstormSCR yes, yes you should! Nothing more motivating than seeing your improvement like that
Man...from THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT
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WIP Draigowing from 5e
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 14:55
feeling old yet, punk? :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 29 2018 14:57
I ran Draigo wing before Draigo existed lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 14:59
oh god.
We've got a 40k hipster.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 29 2018 14:59
Lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:00
there should be a demon after that one, like Drach'nyen.
Star'buckapp'le, the first Hipster.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 29 2018 15:00
That’s what happens when you have people who’ve been playing since 3e
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:00
and how come I am the old man here? :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:07
Oh @Thairne I think it's cute that you think you're the old man here
Birth of The Order of the Black Iris
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:07
it's a running gag since dunno... 2014? :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:07
opposing-sides.jpg
My "Army of The Crowing" CSM model
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:08
gah.. the chalkieness.. you can write on a blackboard with those xD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:09
And from when I finally started to up my basing game
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Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:09
those are actually pretty nice
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:09
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Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:09
uuuuh since I have resin now I can do water effects too!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:10
MAN I wish the company that made them was still in business
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:10
but... not on mars bases.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:10
IRON HALO I think was the name of it
They were FANTASTIC. Perfect balance of detail and destruction
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:10
http://shop.denofimagination.com/
These an alternative?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:12
Close
20181129_091134.jpg
An example of one of several attempts I have made at replicating the style
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:14
close enough I'd say
if "pick up and examine closely" is part of the differentiating process you won
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:15
"Battlefield of Thran" by ironhalo.net
That was them
I really like basing
It's one of the aspects of the hobby I'm...not terrible at
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:17
have you tried casting some of them bases?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:17
No...though I've thought of doing it several times
Oh, BTW: all of the pics I've shared from my blog? Yeah...I own NONE of those things anymore.
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe quietly and darkly mutters something about "divorce" under his breath
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:19
The grav cents were one of the first things I painted after my little hobby hiatus. I hadn't picked up a brush in...well...all of 6th and most of 7th
Oh, right. Grav cents...remember when they were relevant?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:20
nope, DA never were allowed cents. And I'm happy about skipping those monstrosities :P
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:20
I'm one of the (evidently few) people that like the cent models
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:23
but why?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:24
Because I like power armor, and I like things that shoot...a LOT
I dunno man. Why does anyone like anything?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:28
well there's a reason cents are universally disliked
as are mosquitos, Trump and taxes
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:29
Oh...I get it
But then again, there are some people that like the Starship Troopers movies
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:30
I do - the first one
but probably only because I didn't read the source material and therefore had no idea what to expect
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:30
And I think we can all agree those things were an abomination of the most disgusting order
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:31
2 onwards - yes. Heresy.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:31
I remember seeing the trailer and asking, "Um...is this like basic training or something? Where's the power armor?"
Yeah there WAS NONE
Which
You know
What makes the Mobile Infantry the Mobile Infantry? What defines them as a fighting force?
Oh, right. POWER ARMOR.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:32
You can kind of draw the same parallel to cents
if you always knew them and didn't now better you accept them
if you didn'T know them and then you get that barrelly ugly things in your face, you loathe them
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:33
It's not like I was a stranger to the marine aesthetic
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:44
Man what I wouldn't give for some quality CA18 leaks
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 15:44
I could have grown to like the cent models if they weren't hideously awful ruleswise from inception, and only good because of a string of rules abuses
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:45
Oh I dunno
Grav Cents + Drop Pod == Hilarity ensues
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 15:45
in 8th they're straight garbage
just like drop pods
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:46
Back in the heady, halcyon days when grav didn't suck
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 15:46
was about to say, riding down in pods to ruin the day of anybody who dared to have an armour save
or... any vehicle
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:46
I can't tell you how many WK I sent to Slaanesh with grav cents
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:47
insert TF 2 heavy GRY SOM MOAR AAAHHAHAHAHAH
I also am thirsty for leaks.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 15:49
lol. i expect it'll all kick off next week when we're actually in Decemeber
also, i miss the tf2 of old
might have to go and watch the "meet the..." series again tonight :smile:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 15:52
those are the actual best.
I still laff at the heavy and the engineer
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:52
Where is this series?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 15:53
on youtube. pretty sure there's an official TF2 channel
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 15:53
Grazie
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 15:54
all of their shorts are great. i particularly recommend "Expiration Date"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 16:02
and silence descended as everyone watched every meet the.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 16:02
HAHAHAAA
@Thairne killed the channel. +200 XP!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 16:03
xD
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 16:07
OMG THE PYROOOOOOOO
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 29 2018 16:17
"one is a job, one is a mental sickness" LOL
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 18:00
HOW can bread develop tumors?!
This is not how this works!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 29 2018 18:19
clearly because TF2 teleportation works the same way it does in 40k - it takes a shortcut through the warp :stuck_out_tongue:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 29 2018 18:38
Nothing @Thairne can do will silence the channel like Don Hertzfeldt will :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 29 2018 18:39
Truth
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 19:15
ah
that guy
my anus is bleeding.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 29 2018 19:41
Yes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 19:42
I could have easily lived on in blessed ignorance.. but YOU, YOU chose to "enlighten" me!!!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 29 2018 19:44
You’re welcome
“My Spoon Is Too Big!”
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 19:44
may the paint dry on your brush! May you always overthin your paints! May you roll a 1 when you need a really important 2!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 29 2018 19:46
Your words have no effect on me old man ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 19:46
*rolls dice
4 and 6...
well, look at that.. the psychic power went off...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 29 2018 19:47
Denied on a 4+
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 19:48
I deny your deny!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 29 2018 19:48
Can’t
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 29 2018 19:49
what do you think this is? Some kind of ridiculous game with plastic soldiers and die?
You seriously underestimate my power....!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 29 2018 19:59
"Let's all go to the lobby, lets all go to the lobby"
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 21:59
sysadmin types in this channel will appreciate this
try to start battlescribe: "this requires java"
me: "DO I really want to do that to my brand new OS install?"
(the answer is I must to continue contributing, but something something java security)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 29 2018 22:09
and so begins the slow down
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 22:10
?
I'm not going anywhere
just a bad IT joike
oh, you mean of the system
maybe, maybe not
I might do some tweaking to contain the issue
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 29 2018 22:10
yeah, i get it, but it's always the way with a fresh install it runs super fast... until you actaully start using it
hehehe
I shuold learn to touch type properly
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 22:11
My 8.1 install was running like new until the MBR went belly-up
because proper routine maintenance like a car
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 29 2018 22:13
sounds good
perhaps that's why the board fried itself - you were cleaning too frequently :tongue:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 22:14
nothing fried, I rebuilt the MBR once I had a method to do so
then booted back into 8, grabbed all my settings
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 29 2018 22:14
maybe I have misunderstood what you mean by MBR...??
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Nov 29 2018 22:15
Master Boot Record, the thing on a drive that allows the system to recognize it as a boot source
no MBR, no go
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 29 2018 22:16
right!! it all makes sense now :+1: