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Nov 2018
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:31
2 Things, Pinkeye is a pain in the eye ... My nephew is a prick.
Also, the new Titan is 1000 points LESS than a warlord ...
Hows does that check out
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 30 2018 14:32
wut
Where are you getting that?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:32
Yea, after CA Warlord is 6k
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Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:32
well
if you destroy the entire board with one shot, why do points matter?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:32
Warbringer, 5k
They put out the sheet, i'm adding it to Titanicus now :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:32
OOOH RULES
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:33
That big revolver is a fucking quake cannon lol
Reaver Volcano ... S25 lmao
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 30 2018 14:34
just saw that lol
also it's D12 and Macro
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:35
3D6 is very, very rng dependant tho
you can hit a 5 man squad of cultists and have them survive...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 30 2018 14:36
more dice = less variance
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:36
I'm more a friend of 2D6 + 6 or the like
3D6 can mean 3... and you know it will happen.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 30 2018 14:37
i've yet to see a catachan basilisk fire 1 shot lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:37
breaks the suspension of diesbelief when a titan killer shoots a cultist and the fucker laughs the hit off...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 30 2018 14:37
then again, i've rolled a 9 more than a few times on 3d3
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:37
Just imagine it actually shoots 18 shots
but since it's the size of a fucking building, it's aim isn't th ebest.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:38
it shouldnt need to, thats the point
fuck that area in particular :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:38
Yea, that's what the S25 gun is for.
I delete whatever I point at.
Oh you have a Warlord? K. Wound on 2s
oh no, nvm
Warlords are T16 ... so wtf is S25 for?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:39
thats for when you get a squad of vanguard into CC lel
you rad poisoned the toe! Wound on 2s!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:39
Hahah
S25 seems odd. It's billed as a titan feller, but Reaver and Scouts are T10/T9 ...
S25 is not quite enough for a warlord target, but way too much for a reaver/scout
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:40
id say wounding a warlord on 3 is quite a goal
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:40
Oh for sure.
But S20 would do the same exact thing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:41
and its a reaver cannon, not a warlord one
true
maybe they actually had vanguard in mind?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:42
Just seems like "Lets make this number as big as we can, but be just as effective as the less impressive number"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:42
or they want you to come up with tricks to increase its S by one somehow
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:43
... Is there an imperium psyker power that does that?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:43
no idea
but putting it that close to the treshhold..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:44
true
Interesting. It's keywords are different wording too
doesn't matter for most, but Imperial God Engine has changed, It can't shoot at Titanic Units within 1" of it like the other titans can.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:50
not at all? I understand the quake cannon not being able to do that, but thats a somewhat strange restriction for the entire model then
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:50
Yep, "This model can shoot in the Shooting phase even if there are enemy models within 1" of it unless those models are TITANIC"
Whereas the other titans in the Index can shoot at those Titans or any other enemy unit more than 1" away from friendly models.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:51
odd. Especially since you can equip it with the claws
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:51
Yea, I'm wondering if that will change for the others in CA.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:51
you cant even give AA fire...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:51
but it CAN fall back over Swarm, whereas the others can't
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:52
sounds more like a general change then
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:52
Aye, The other rules have wording differences too but mean the same in the end. Except the Morale Buff - This one has 3" more.
I'm guessing CA will change it for the others.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:54
its either competence or incompetence.
I.... am not that optimistic.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:54
How dare you
GW is nothing if not incompetant.
:p
tekton
@tekton
Nov 30 2018 14:55
“Consistency is key”
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:55

incompetant

Dude xD

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:55
Shush, it's morning I haven't had coffee yet.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 14:55
complaining about incompetence and making a typo is... funny xD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 14:56
Haha, the explosion is different too. 2D6 damage instead of D6
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 15:00
sounds more threatening. Good.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 15:00
Easier to kill too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 15:00
those vanguards need to die after they poisoned a god machine.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 15:00
Which is why the less points. 5 less wounds, 3 less S/T
Warlord is still your stupid tough titan, Warbringer seems to be a bit more of a glass cannon, in titan terms at least.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 30 2018 15:02
yeah, it fits the recent trend of putting more guns on everything
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 15:02
Mother fucker, even the weapon details change.
Ardex Maulers now hit on 5/6 in overwatch instead of "5 regardless of modifiers"
Does the BRB say modifiers don't take place in Overwatch?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 15:03
I wondered about that as well, the wording is weird
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 30 2018 15:03
it says that a 6 is required to hit regardless of BS or modifiers
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 15:04
agripiina FW also states the regardless of modifiers
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 15:04
It's some super funky changes.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 15:04
so for some reason the warbringer is affected by modifiers... or not? eh... this...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 15:04
RAW son, RAW.
Making (Warbringer) entries until that shit is fixed lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 15:11
Seems like that's the only wording change for weapons that could actually matter, the rest is just grammar changes.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 30 2018 15:48
anyone got a link to the Heresy books?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 15:48
Rules?
Or like the novels
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Nov 30 2018 15:49
rules
they're not on the Mega I use now.
CloverFox
@CloverFox
Nov 30 2018 16:15
i know that the GW and FW rules teams have been conglomerated, so i'd hope to see some standardization across GW and FW (although its not always consistent withing GW)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 30 2018 16:16
FW rules are generally a mess tbh
like they get the interns to do it on their lunch break or something...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 18:38
alright, the vile xenos (Danio Margaritatus) have moved on to the Imperial Garden World of Germanius Secundus! Space Marines have received a special 'ardcoat to protect from the xenos attacks...
algae growth is down, but it will still be a few weeks before the tank is presentable... assuming the resin coat holds, which it should.
I might actually write a short story when I reveal the tank to the world..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 18:41
Is it gonna have fish?
Or are you just doing an environment tank?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 18:41
Danio Margaritatus
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 18:41
Flora only I mean
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 18:41
the actual species that is in it rght now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 18:41
Ohhh
See I thought you named a genestealer.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 18:42
lol
with a size of that tank, fish selection is pretty limited
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 30 2018 18:42
Pirannahs
The marines are braving the deadly maneaters
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 18:42
well the tank is to small for that by a factor of 20... :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 18:52
If I remember right, for those fuckers you need a 1000l tank , which is like 250cm in length, depending on width and height.
Or... 265 gallons and... around 6.6 feet.
That is a big fucker.
My big tank is 2/3rd of that size and its the upper limit what you usually see in homes ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 18:57
oh lord. Just imagine a 5'9" length tank like I have as a full insert faction vs tyranid fish diorama... a swarm of tetras with some big fuckers in there....
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 30 2018 22:10
(where's that "DO IT" meme I saw the other day...)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 30 2018 22:33
well that was an interesting read about those fish
from myanmar
@Thairne what made you choose them??
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 30 2018 22:41
So Reece said his Admech army went down in points by "triple digits"
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 30 2018 22:41
right...
was it 5 figures in the first place??
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 30 2018 22:42
All power armor players will be "over the moon"
2k points army
He said he was able to get in "several more units"
So there's that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 30 2018 22:43
righto...
so if Ad Mech went down (did they really need a points drop??) and Marines went down...
surely that means everything went down??
perhaps they realised that they made it a bit too easy to kill people and games weren't lasting more than a turn or two
so they decided to give everyone more people :smile:
tekton
@tekton
Nov 30 2018 22:48
I’m cautiously optimistic about the point changes...more bodies also means contesting points easier/better
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 22:48

@FarseerVeraenthis well mostly the size. With a tank that small, you need small fish to provide a good living for them. There are other types, but they all have their advantages and disadvantages, plus these ones like hard water like I have... So after narrowing it down, it came down for these because they might like living here ;)

Ad Mech needs a few adjustments in some units. Sicarians for example and Kataphrons are the worst offenders. The biggest problems are rules-related though.. lack of synergies between the units/stratagems/dogmas

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 30 2018 22:52
So if marines went down and guard stayed the same that instantly means marines might become the poster boy imperial again
And my BA might actually see the table
If Guard went up, that maybe becomes a definite
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 22:53
LEAK THAT SHIT ALREADY FFS
I have several things ready to be painted and I need to know which I need :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 30 2018 23:07
hahaha!!
all sounds good to me
bu yes, WHERE ARE THE LEAKS!!!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 23:18
or at least some teases.. GW is strangely silent about CA so fwar
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 30 2018 23:26
Yeah I just ordered a Leviathan so my Slaaneshi army (well...the CSM part, anyway) will be able to shoot things
I'd really like to see some point drops across the entire Slaanesh daemons line
And some buffs that aren't stupid and sucky
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 23:27
gods no.
Thats gonna make dude switch from harlies to noise marine sonic dreadnought heldrake defiler stuff again!
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Nov 30 2018 23:28
Reece said "if your army wears power armor, you're gonna be over the moon"
I assume that includes CSMs
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 30 2018 23:29
most likely
sounds like propaganda tho..