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3rd
Dec 2018
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 00:12
Vindicare is nigh useless with only 1 shot regardless of the cover he has.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 00:35
If he had ignores Heavy or if his sniper was Assault, he'd be so much more useful.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 01:38
Lol @Thairne - that WT is broken as shit RAW.
Permanent Cover and Morale Immunity around the warlord as written.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 03:54
...because muhreenz have SO MANY PROBLEMS with Morale as it is
And yay! Cover! Whee...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 03:58
permanent +1 armor to units near the warlord?
as a WT? PRetty awesome to me
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 03:58
I swear to the geebuz GW doesn't have any clue on how to fix muhreenz
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 04:08
They don't
But I saw a rumor that LR chassis's will be 200 points
Which is a healthy drop
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 04:10
That one seems credible, have seen pics of the book it was taken from -- IF that wasn't faked
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 04:12
Yeah
That's one area where I think a points drop actually helps
LR aren't bad just over priced
Though they need the ability to fall back and shoot
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 04:13
My helverin would like to discuss that with you :frowning:
...as would my tanks and artillery
Dunno why they can't
It makes absolutely no sense
But hey...balance, I guess?
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe rolls his eyes up and shakes his head sarcastically.
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 04:20
They need to whack the points on pretty much all transports in half
Well...unless it can fly. Fuck those.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 04:20
Lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 08:19

@kohato tell thet to the harlies he tore a new one. Ignoring invuls with that AP is very close to causing MW. Single shot is bad, yes, but a 2+/2+ no saves potential D6 damage is nice. Not all on his own, ofc, but the one time I used him he was a baws :P

also @ permanent cover - always nice, especially for vehicles which have a hard time getting cover

Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 09:30
@Thairne the hero we deserve ?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 09:31
just a reader of forums ;)
Some new pts cost in there, yet not a single admech... again.
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 09:31
Drop Pod 63 pts (Base Cost) .. still too much
Grey Knights & Thousand Sons getting Full Smite ... well, there goes the neighborhood
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 09:33
maybe, but thats a ~25% drop
I can see them not going apeshit and overshooting the target, 35 was insultingly cheap in 7th
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 09:37
yeah I get it ... that's a wicked discount but in the immortal words of some dude I saw on the internet ... a bargain price on something you don't need is still NOT a bargain!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 09:37
ne
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 09:37
and in 7th ... they were only played when they were free
in my meagre experience at least
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 09:38
because that shifted the bar
35 pts for protected DS was always a good deal
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 09:39
yeah, I guess they are now 63pt deployable screens against shooting characters and charging fly units
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 09:40
not coming in turn 1 anymore
they lost so much and nearly tripled in price... no wonder they died
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 09:40
I wonder if CA will see the <FLY> nerf undone
they mentioned their own massive kneejerk at the weekender
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 09:41
too late immo, CA was in print before that I'd wager
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 09:41
true .. .. April FAQ then
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 09:41
most likely
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 09:42
the same time Necrons get squatted I guess
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 09:42
necrons dont get squatted
they just rehibernate :P
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 09:43
lol ... 60 million years on the shelf
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 09:57
that might be a bit too pessimistic :P
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 09:58

meh, who am I kidding .. I'm actually having some fun games with the 'Crons lately ... so much I've bought 3 more wraiths to make a proper Novokh attack force. (2x6 squads with a Destroyer Lord HQ) making my enemys cry while the Destroyers do their thing.

It's not hugely competitive ... but I think our local group has settled into a reasonably middle road meta, rather than everyone fielding the latest hotmess (Knights/IG/BA etc.) ... so my win rate is about 30%-40% now rather than 14%

Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 10:00
14 sounds bad, but 30 sounds not good enough too... unless they are better players than you?
Price Van-Saint
@sk_Father_Price_twitter
Dec 03 2018 10:09

there is always that lol ... I'm not as cut throat as I could be .. but I do struggle against - Guilliman gunlines, Ad-mech robots and black legion multiple daemon prince lists. T'au seems to be a fair 50/50 matchup .. but again gunlines with better range and overwatch.

I'll not be going to any local tourneys anytime soon put it that way

going back to the leaks ... TVault up points from 496 -555 ... I don't have one but 10% sounds fair if other stuff is coming down to compensate
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 11:46
I saw that leak... it looks "interesting"
Eldrad has come down 15 points = 10%
that'll be good once I finish painting my Deathwatch and go back to my Ulthwe army :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 13:21
Vault needed to go up
59 point increase isn't horrible.
as for Vindicare, single shot is unfortunate, but what really hurts and needs to change is his Heavy. He is made to deep strike and snipe. Yet he doesn't ignore heavy movement so is gimped on the turn he comes in :(
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 13:36
he's just following the trend of snipers being garbo this edition
his rifle being assault would be neat, but he'd still not be good
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 13:43
He wouldn't be good - but if it were assault he would warrant play as a DS objective grabber/sniper.
As is, he needs to deploy with the rest of the army, and never move for the game.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 13:45
yeah, Eldar Rangers are good snipers though
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 13:49
Eldar rangers are a whole unit :/
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 13:53
that's mostly because theyre also a cheap troops option though
would they still be played if they weren't troops, or had a larger minimum unit size?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 14:00
That's what I mean, they're also troops - Vindicare is 95~ points (I think?) but requires you to take one of your 3 detachments and 2 other assassins for 0 CP gain to get him in a list.
for 1 shot at his full BS, as long as he doesn't move.
Assault wouldn't make him a must take, it'd just help. As is - I'd rather 1/2 cullexus and Callidus
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 14:02
yeah, 5 rangers are 60 points
OK, the To Wound roll is critical for them, but then, 6's = Mortals so... not all bad!!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 14:21
yeah, vindi is 90pts, and it takes him 3 turns to kill a 30pts company commander
assuming there's LOS and no hit penalty
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 14:22
Not so much an assassin as a mild nuisance
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 14:26
basically. he either needs to be way more lethal, or have that extra utility
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 14:26
well he did well in the 2 games I used him against harlies... since their only defense is an invul and he ignores those outright...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 14:30
do harlequins not have other shenanigans, like -1 to hit / -1 to wound?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 14:30
Oh they have plenty of -to hit
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 14:30
-1 yes, but no wound reduc
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 14:30
Fuck those vehicles.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 14:31
but that is gone probalby with CA18 and turned into cover
which the vindi ignores
so FUCK ELVES
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 14:31
I'm on the fence about that though
I really really really like -1 to hit on my dragoons
So ... I'm greedy and want it.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 14:31
totally
cover is way worse for those
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 14:31
pretty sure it's only army traits that are being changed, isnt it?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 14:32
Well cover is only way worse because if you're playing canticles correctly, they will ALWAYS have cover
if they are in open spaces to be shot.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 14:32
was just thinking about that. maybe stygies will get +2 to saves with that canticle?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 14:32
idk, we dont' have any leaks to confirm - just rumors at this point
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 14:32
but maybe cover now stacks?
And yes the rumours say "chapter tactic like" traits
that would be terminator saves for skitarii... interesting and pretty resistant to shooting
so I dont think they'll give troops a 2+ save for 7/8 pts a piece
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 14:34
Whoof, Vanguard with 2+ getting into combat for that sweet sweet -T
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 14:39
unlikely, agripina is above 12"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 14:39
suddenly iron warriors
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 14:39
but in theory you can walk out, roll a big charge and yes
id think rangers on an objective with a data tether will be rock solid and hard to dislodge
makes marines even sadder in comparison
3 arquebi hitting on 2+ with 7 ablative wounds, reroll failed morale with a 2+ safe vs. shooting with a vanguard screen in front. Nasty.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 14:41
are arqebi any good? i thought they had all the same problems as most other snipers
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 14:42
yeah so thought I too
but I got educated a while back just in here that they're the 2nd best snipers after ratlings it seems
especially if they get a price drop in CA18
with S7 and D3 they can plonk some light vehicles if no characters are around
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 14:44
do people still play ratlings?
i've havent seen them since they got nerfed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 14:46
I think it was @WindstormSCR that told me that Arquebi are better than I thought... but I'm a noob, so better listen to them and not me ;)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 03 2018 15:38
was asking before about HH rulebooks, anyone got a link to them?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:40
you can make out the various detachments
@acebaur black templars sword brethren
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:42
a contents page. unironically one of my favourite pages in the book
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 15:42
cybernetica cohort... and... wait what
servitor maniple?!
are you FUCKING KIDDING ME
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:42
ayy lmao
Marneus Calgar in Armour Heraclus
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 15:43
wraith host looks good
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 15:44
servitor maniple. I can't even...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 03 2018 15:44
@FarseerVeraenthis, the Windrider one looks pretty terrible though...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:44
dont knock it 'till you try it ;)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 03 2018 15:44
ooh I can Fall back and charge with my Windriders!
no, wait...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 15:44
can't you already do that...
have you seen the others??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:45
what does the saim-hann trait do gain?
oh, it's re-roll charges, nvm
oh shiii- i just saw they're bringing back Emperor's Companies :smile:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 15:48
I saw that too...
I wonder if that is "prescribed soup"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:48
nah, they're IG
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 15:48
it looks good, that contents has got this book competing for the top of the "must buy" list
along with Wake the Dead
and the Urban Warfare box
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:49
are tau and tyranids not getting any formations?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 15:49
damn you GW!! shakes fist
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 03 2018 15:49
@GenWilhelm, cheers, that's what I wanted.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 15:49

guard get 4. AdMech gain servitors.

I'm out. Jeez.

No, those arent at vigilus.

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:49
oh right, this is vigilus
for some reason i was thinking CA
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 15:53
Sweet! Sword Brethren!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 15:54
@Thairne Admech at least get something ;) Some armies aren't lucky enough to be at vigilus.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:55
>Servitor Maniple
>Something
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 15:55
cybernetica cohort
Necrons: <Blank>
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:56
if servitors actually turn out to be good, that will be the biggest upset of this year
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 15:56
you know, getting nothing is better than having servitors.
how? how can servitors be good? they're 2 pts, but the wargear ruins the cost
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 15:57
what do servitors "drive" / control outside of the ones that wander around??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 15:57
maybe they're getting cost reductions on said wargear. or maybe the formation gives them really OTT rules that makes them worth that cost
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 15:57
*SS this conversation, I want Thairne to eat crow when they are amazing :p
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 15:57
hehehehe
I wonder if it is "free guns" operated by servitors on fortifications or something??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 15:58
even then, 5" movement hitting on 5+.. I just cannot imagine a rule that would make them useable... if they'd be troops - ok. but as is, you pay a minimum of 28 pts for 2 servitors with servo-arms.
well at least the ravenwing is there. Might dust off those then...
But I'm pretty sure I'll longbeardlike grumble about servitors the next 3 days.
and they're like the ugliest model in existance
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Dec 03 2018 16:00
we need new Servitors that look like the ones in Mechanicus :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 16:01
sgt derpface would like a word.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:02
hmmm... according to 1d4chan, Kataphron are servitors
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 16:02
that's a good point. it might include them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 16:02
afaik that's correct. They're servitors on battle platforms.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:04
yup, on GW's website they're described as Battle Servitors
with an almost endless array of weapon options
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 16:04
Endless = 2 each
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:04
I'd like to mention that I was refering to the datasheet servitors, not kataphrons
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Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:05
so a maniple of them could be extra awesome rules to make them more awesome
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:05
just for screenshot purposes.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:05
hhehehehehehehe
and @Kohato I was referring to the description on the GW website
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:05
a kataphron maniple with reduced costs is something I'D love to see, they're such awesome models
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:05
"... HUGE array of weapons: arc rifles, torsion cannons, arc claws, hydraulic claws, plasma culverin assemblies, heavy grav cannon assemblies, phosphor blaster assemblies and three cognis flamer assemblies. Twenty-four weapon options in total!"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:06
yeah, with 2 datasheets. you got breachers and destroyers. Breachers being anti vehicle/building with terrible weapons and useless melee and destroyers, which are too squishy and expensive, but okish weapons
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:07
beautiful, sounds like the perfect basis for a mediocre way to fill up some pages
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:07
basically choose a mainweapon of 2 and a side arm of 2
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 16:08
Yea, that's perfect fluffspeak
"In this box, you have 3 each of 8 different weapon options!" (grumbleyou can only use 4 on each of 2 different datasheets, and each set of 8 is for a separate modelgrumble)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:09
dont you see? 4 x 2 = 24!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:10
hmmm...
in other news, Plasma culverin look pretty nasty
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 16:10
They aren't bad.
I prefer Heavy Grav and Flamers still, but that's me.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:11
3 destroyers with plasma is 189 ots tho
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 16:12
Aye, they need to be cheaped up
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:12
T5, 3W but 4+
cheaper + specialist detachment = win
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 16:13
When is vigilus supposed to release again?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:13
next week afaik?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 16:13
week from sat.
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 16:13
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 16:13
This sat is preorder for ChapApp - Point Redux 2: Electric Boogaloo
Then next sat is release - vigilus same day
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 16:14
I'll be doing the digital coop for it if any of you want it along with CA
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:15
sign me in for both
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:16
@Thairne could be "free" cover saves = 3+ within 6" of whatever leader they assign to the maniple
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:16
dang, now i'm low-key excited for servitors.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:16
mwahahahahahaahahaha!!!!
@Kohato the plan is working
dont dare and twist my meaning :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:17
hehehehe
you're right though, THOSE servitors ARE awful
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:19
they dont have the servitors keyword though, only the 2 pts servitors do have that...
otoh, IF Detachment does bestow keyword. So... eh.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:19
but they could gain the new keyword...
seems that all the detachment Stratagems add a keyword
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 16:20
yep
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 16:20
so that then the detachement stratagems ONLY work for that detatchment
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 16:22
The only "good" servitors I've seen are the ones the that come with Grimaldus
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 16:55
is WC down for anyone else?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 17:10
@acebaur you know I'm down for the digital coop -- let me know if I need to paypal you more $
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 17:16
MWAHAHAHHAAAAAAA
"The Sisters of Battle beta codex has also been provided with a full set of points for matched play (which we’d love your feedback on via social media and email)"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 17:16
(incoherent screeching)
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 17:16
Sisters Enhancement Feedback System is a GO!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 17:17
SEFS?
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 17:17
Yes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 17:17
that's a bad acronym. a badcronym, if you will
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 17:17
I'm hoping to chain 4-5K email addresses down so GW gets overwhelming "feedback" on Sisters
"How do you like your Sisters, Joe?" "Broke not Woke! Get back in the rules room, smoke some more of that crack you guys were obviously hitting hard when you did Orks, break that shit and come back when you're done."
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 17:19
Not a mention of SM though
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 17:20
Did you REALLY think they were going to spill all the beans on day 1 of previews?
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 17:20
And wraithknights got a 100+ points reduction?!?
We don't need more fucking OP LOW on the table
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 17:21
"How do we bring knights down a peg?"
"Idk, just give everyone an OP LoW or something..."
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 17:21
Not all the beans, just one
CrusherJoe @CrusherJoe sighs
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 17:24
Knights are right where they should be IMHO
They are supposed to be nigh-unstoppable machines of DEATH
Anything less is insulting
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 17:25
Agreed, but I shouldn't have to fight 3 of them at 2k
Joe Beddoe
@CrusherJoe
Dec 03 2018 17:26
There's plenty of AT in the game. Trust me. Knights die all the time.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 03 2018 17:26
knight die because everyone is building their lists to kill knights
if you cant take a 3++ castellan off the table quickly, you just lose in that matchup
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 17:28
What would you recommend taking to do that in a SM list
?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 03 2018 17:30
what flavor of SM
DA and DW can do it with thunder hammer terminators very effectively
and DW can do it turn 1
JP librarian plus beacon angelis, and a 5-man hammer squad
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 17:31
BT
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 03 2018 17:32
cast veil of time on terminators and hammer it to death
hmmmm
Xiphon maybe
or rapier laser destroyers
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Dec 03 2018 17:33
Helbrecht with hammernators?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 18:17
oh tomorrow we take a look at open play! So exciting.... not.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 19:25
@Thairne - Admech reinforcements?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 20:39
yeah seen that... that is weird tho... why tease admech and then, on the page, not a single word?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:01
The last time they did that, it was for Cadia I think
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:01
remember the result?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:01
Yea, Cadia, Half off.
Black Thirteenth Friday. The Planet Broke before the Guard did. etc. etc.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:02
I meant the result of the tease, you joker :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:02
Cawl, which I would be fine with a new model :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:02
HECK NO
I spent 40h painting the old one
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:02
Not a new cawl
maybe another named HQ.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:02
+
sniff
another 40h down the drain
but yeah, small tp, medium tp, big tp is a bit.. limited on the selection
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:03
My hopes and dreams, Ordinatus 40k rules. *8th ed rules
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:03
that would be hilarious, but Ordinatus WILL be FW.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:04
Oh yea, it is FW, but FW prices will be in CA they said.
So ... sliver of hope lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:04
but FW rules? In CA?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:04
If points are.
shrug
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:04
that is some serious straw grasping... :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:05
If 8th ed ulator rules dropped, I probably would end up getting one this time. I passed on it back in 7th.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:06
get it now... till its built and painted, you'll have 9th rules for it :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:06
It would never see play, but It'd be an amazing centerpiece.
Haha
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:06
but an ordinatus... that would be something indeed. Unfieldable in any reasonable game, but... yeah. Yeah.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:07
I can't remember if the ulator was fieldable back in 7th
I want to say just barely outside of 1850
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:08
but honestly, the ulator looks.. aged now compared to warlords...
its a bit to... plain
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:08
It should be aged. It's HH tech.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:10
yes LOOK aged from a paintjob perspective
but the model looks just... plain to me
or maybe its just the paintjob.. the sagittar looks way more interesting
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:42
Really? It's just a volcano cannon on treads.
Ultaor looks like a giant ray gun on treads :p
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 21:46
so if my Wraithknight is down 100pts... should I actually build the one I got for my brithday 2.5 years ago??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:48
as a fellow player - if you want to field it, ofc! It got a LOT cheaper
as an opponent - hell naw, stay away with that xenos filth!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 21:51
but... what weapons should I choose?!?!?!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:52
the holy magnet!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 21:52
"sigh"
yes, I know
but I heard magnetising the Wraithknight can be tricky
perhaps that's non-sense
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 03 2018 21:52

a model that big that requires that much effort to paint...

Tutorials?

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 03 2018 21:53
Magnets on a WK aren't easy, but they're not the hardest things.
It's a VERY commonly mag'ed model, so there's a number of good tuts out.
But for list wise? I've always been a fan of sword/board on WK.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 21:55
righto, once I've got my DW tabletop ready I'll crack out the airbrush and get to it
I feel like I will probably go fixed sword and board, and run it with webway wraithguard, a spiritseer and iyanden trait
it can run forwards while everything else kinda shambles
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Dec 03 2018 22:05
Magging the fuckknight is tricky
I'm still working out the best way to do mine
but if it got cheaper that is amazing
especially if with sword and board it's as cheap or cheaper than a gallant. Suncannon also needed to have about 100 pts chopped off it
mine might actually get primed and painted if it went from "hell no" to "I can maybe make it work"
@acebaur put me in for both vigi and CA, hopefully life doesn't turn around and screw me like it did for orks
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2018 22:18
@acebaur I'll be down for both, although, I want physical copes too....
(not from you via the internet - that would be awesome, but also a little weird)